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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

I dont really keep up with this thread nor do I care about power of next Nintendo system, but I really dont see them trying to release a new console/non-lite hardware revision next year considering we are in cost of living nightmare. Next FY for Nintendo already looks strong without new Hardware in my opinion with a new Zelda, Fire Emblem and potentially a new Mario game on the horizion.

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Also they have a ton of additional content for Splatoon 3, Mario Kart 8 and Xenoblade 3 to keep people engage with the Switch.
 
If once we get a good translation of that Nikkei article it still reads as a definitive statement, that pretty much settles it for me: Drake won't release until April at the very earliest, so I might as well buy a Switch Lite or OLED in the near future. I was planning on holding out until February before giving up on waiting, but Zelda and Pokemon and a dozen other games are calling my name too loudly lol.
 
I’m sorry if I sound harsh and rude that wasn’t my intent:

Let’s take a moment and revisit earth, why would you believe random people on forums over a publication that has a track record of knowing what they’re talking about and has numerous times been correct on what Nintendo does even when Nintendo themselves deny it.

The only time they’ve been wrong I’d say, of recent memory, is that last year they published an article saying that a new switch with improved graphics will be released later that year, the only thing that was released was a switch OLED and had the exact same graphics.


That is pretty much the only stretch of the truth as far as I’m aware. But to now take random posters on a Chinese forum and believe them over a publication, I’m just going to suggest for you to take a step back and analyze what it is that you’re saying and what it is that is going on.

And I’m not trying to douse the flames of speculation, I’m just trying to remind people that we have to understand what it is that we’re even speculating. This thread runs off of informed speculation and informed commentary, while we have our own wish list, 99% of the thread is based off of realistic possible scenarios based off of realistic information that we can find publicly that anyone who has paid attention can observe


There’s rumors and then there’s speculation. Let’s not mix the two as if there’s a same thing here, it can devalue an element of the thread.


If you’re curious on what the informed speculation is, or rather what the informed part allows to, we have track their job listings and job openings, we have tried to develop a commentary, we have tracked their private investor conversations, we have looked into the Nvidia hack, etc., This is what I mean by informed commentary/speculation. If it wasn’t for that we wouldn’t have anything to even discuss in the thread.



Now if you still believe that the Chinese forum posters have any elements of validity in their claims, so be it I will not stop you or want to stop you from having your faith. However, I am simply suggesting that you look at them without rose tinted lenses that kind obscure your vision of what is really going on. Again to remind you it is a publication worth many millions to billions of dollars that reports for Asia vs Chinese forum posters who claimed this and that in the third.

I don’t think we should be holding them to the same level at all.


At least for a few of you.
 
We have discussed rumors, leaks and speculation from other entities in the past. Discussing a Nikkei article shouldn’t be a problem.

Do we have a way to read it or get a reliable translation?
lol this isn't directed at you, but this post was hilarious and perfectly embodies these forums and well, social media as a whole.

heated discussion going on "Discussing something shouldn't be a problem. Any way we can actually know what we're discussing?"

Actually, it's more self aware than typical social media. Still amusing though.
 
While people worry about the pro, I think Zelda stans need to take their hard pill and accept they aren’t getting Zelda like they think they are either.
I’m sorry if I sound harsh and rude that wasn’t my intent:

Let’s take a moment and revisit earth, why would you believe random people on forums over a publication that has a track record of knowing what they’re talking about and has numerous times been correct on what Nintendo does even when Nintendo themselves deny it.

The only time they’ve been wrong I’d say, of recent memory, is that last year they published an article saying that a new switch with improved graphics will be released later that year, the only thing that was released was a switch OLED and had the exact same graphics.


That is pretty much the only stretch of the truth as far as I’m aware. But to now take random posters on a Chinese forum and believe them over a publication, I’m just going to suggest for you to take a step back and analyze what it is that you’re saying and what it is that is going on.

And I’m not trying to douse the flames of speculation, I’m just trying to remind people that we have to understand what it is that we’re even speculating. This thread runs off of informed speculation and informed commentary, while we have our own wish list, 99% of the thread is based off of realistic possible scenarios based off of realistic information that we can find publicly that anyone who has paid attention can observe


There’s rumors and then there’s speculation. Let’s not mix the two as if there’s a same thing here, it can devalue an element of the thread.


If you’re curious on what the informed speculation is, or rather what the informed part allows to, we have track their job listings and job openings, we have tried to develop a commentary, we have tracked their private investor conversations, we have looked into the Nvidia hack, etc., This is what I mean by informed commentary/speculation. If it wasn’t for that we wouldn’t have anything to even discuss in the thread.



Now if you still believe that the Chinese forum posters have any elements of validity in their claims, so be it I will not stop you or want to stop you from having your faith. However, I am simply suggesting that you look at them without rose tinted lenses that kind obscure your vision of what is really going on. Again to remind you it is a publication worth many millions to billions of dollars that reports for Asia vs Chinese forum posters who claimed this and that in the third.

I don’t think we should be holding them to the same level at all.


At least for a few of you.

Calm down lmao
 
Also, what does a completely different console's form factor have to do with nintendo portables and their battery runtimes?? what
Due to improvements in technology it's to be expected that later revisions of an established machine are able to be smaller, less power hungry, less hot. These should not be taken as signs that the manufacturer is setting these as special priorities that will carry over to a completely new hardware design. Home consoles getting smaller revisions to be followed by a large new generation and portable consoles getting longer lasting revisions to be followed by a new generation with less battery life are both things that have happened multiple times.
 
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A little off-topic, but as the Switch is attracting an audience from other consoles, this new hardware could have a very simple and easy-to-handle tool in its dev kit to the point that all developers want to use it that would be the equivalent of the achievements and trophies system, but from the Nintendo way: if you finish the game (or the equivalent of that if the game has no end), you will receive an avatar icon and a background screen unique to that game that all your friends and people online can see, which would be yours trophy. A link to the game eShop page and the date you earned the trophy would be shown in your profile for everyone to consult. Perhaps the background is just partially visible, to serve as an incentive for other people to try to achieve this achievement and see all of it. It would be an update to the current icon system on NSO, with developers earning for making a new incentive to buy their game and players earning for having another gimmick to enjoy or collect.
 
I mean, I have no doubt Nate has sources that have information. But CLARITY and timing being his strong point? Poppycock. Remember the fallout from the lack of an announcement last year and all the leakers (Nate included) dramatically and publicly backtracking on the suggestion and insisting that isn't what they meant, etc. etc. sour grapes etc..

He's respected because he tries. But forthcoming about info has never been his strong point and it's a little silly to expect it now.

Plus it's just covering his keister.
Non-Disclosure agreements are legal binding things and being in a position where you CAN leak information doesn't mean you should. For one it endangers your sources if things get too specific and people don't like getting sued. I get the frustration behind riddles and guessing games on these things, but not many realize that being nonspecific the safest way to go about playing around an NDA without breaching it and attracting the clickbait peanut gallery.
 
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staring at “white Switch OLED in stock at Best Buy 5 mins away”

staring at my current Switch, a barely functioning launch model with bad battery, broken kickstand, non-working touch screen, and dodgy right Joy-Con rail connection

staring at this recent news

staring out the window in contemplation
 
staring at “white Switch OLED in stock at Best Buy 5 mins away”

staring at my current Switch, a barely functioning launch model with bad battery, broken kickstand, non-working touch screen, and dodgy right Joy-Con rail connection

staring at this recent news

staring out the window in contemplation

If you have a history of purchases leading to the announcement of a better / improved product, i think you should take one for the team and get that OLED.
 
If you have a history of purchases leading to the announcement of a better / improved product, i think you should take one for the team and get that OLED.
Nah, I’m actually usually an early-adopter/quick-upgrader. I rarely get video game hardware after the first 2 or so years on the market.
 
Nah, I’m actually usually an early-adopter/quick-upgrader. I rarely get video game hardware after the first 2 or so years on the market.

Damn, so we need another one to take one for the team. I can't i already got the OLED on launch.
 
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staring at “white Switch OLED in stock at Best Buy 5 mins away”

staring at my current Switch, a barely functioning launch model with bad battery, broken kickstand, non-working touch screen, and dodgy right Joy-Con rail connection

staring at this recent news

staring out the window in contemplation
I bit the bullet and bought an OLED a few months back. It’s such a superior option if you play handheld, you’ll never go back to the launch unit.

Also, you can probably wipe and sell your launch tablet for a decent amount, since it is hackable for homebrew.
 
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Can I be honest and vent? I read through that entire thread and there were a few folks who previously posted in this thread and either said something unwarranted or to stir the pot, were responded to by other posters with reasonable explanations, and then didn't bother to answer them. And then these same folks are the ones posting "see I was right!" or some other condescending, mocking, variation in that thread.

I find hardware speculation to be fun but it becomes an absolute headache to read when people care more about internet points, being right, or seeming 'logical' through pessimistic outlooks. It creates an unwelcoming atmosphere where we can't just reasonably discuss or analyze the bits of information we do have, apparently we have to be called stupid for it. And this goes in both directions, of course. If you don't think hardware is coming this year or the next I honestly understand, we have all different thresholds for how confident we are in our predictions based on the current 'evidence'. Feels like some folks need to step out of this discussion, myself included..
Yeah, my expectations are tempered with how ARM hardware is measured and how it's progressed. Being a Luddite who didn't own Android devices until 2015 and seeing how my Lenovo A8-50 couldn't run Dolphin for pennies to seeing an Ayn Odin years later run that in its sleep is the kind of thing that gets my motor running.

Switch did launch with one of the meanest pieces of ARM hardware on the block for a mobile device for a time but now the bar's been raised on the CPU end even though Tegra is virtually peerless as a mobile GPU, with only the RDNA Samsungs, Imagination/PowerVR's Apple GPUs and the upcoming ray-tracing Mali GPUs to shake things up in that regard. Basically what I'm saying is Tegra X1 standing at 5 years as Switch graphics and 7 years old as hardware is going to run its course and even if you disagree on that, there's other factors like 4GB memory or the IPC of an A57 compared to the likes of an A76 or A78 showing there's room for improvement.

I know there's people who probably mean well by saying temper your expectations (although how they say it is a lot to unpack), but I don't think people are making comparisons to PS4 Pro or XBox Series S in a hard and fast sense as if the silicon or performance is comparable pound-for-pound, just more like "it can handle ports with less watering down" kinda way.

The bottom line for me is that if Switch has a refresh, successor or what have you, it'll be better than Tegra X1 but to what effect has been left up to speculation. I just think just because a user in this thread says a little more than what Nintendo may envision doesn't mean a lot of sneering and browbeating needs to take place nor do I think people wishing for the moon are going to throw feces at the virtual walls just because the hardware isn't a dreadnought of a system. If it means less Cloud connection ports (HOPEFULLY NONE AT ALL) after the system comes out, it's done its job.

Overall though, speculation thread doesn't need to turn into a contest of whose expectations are the most sensible when clearly everyone has different values.
 
We'll see what happens in the coming months in terms of an announcement. Nikkei is extremely reliable and they're usually spot-on but until Furukawa himself outright denies new hardware this fiscal year, I will just take Nikkei's reporting as reasonable speculation and nothing more.

No matter what forum it is, sadly there will always be the usual trolls and others who insult those who share rumours and other information. That will never stop.
 
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Any time anyone posts something like
Insiders be like
2018: pro coming soon
2019: pro coming soon
2020: pro coming soon
2021: pro coming soon
2022: pro coming soon
act like they’re the smartest person in the thread but don’t seem to realize all this kind of post indicates is that they haven’t paid attention to a single meaningful thing regarding the “pro” conversation and just look like a disruptive jackass

it’s a meaningless over-simplification of the situation and adds less than nothing to the discussion
 
Any time anyone posts something like

act like they’re the smartest person in the thread but don’t seem to realize all this kind of post indicates is that they haven’t paid attention to a single meaningful thing regarding the “pro” conversation and just look like a disruptive jackass

it’s a meaningless over-simplification of the situation and adds less than nothing to the discussion
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For folks to repeat that talking point without acknowledging the obvious conflation of the OLED supply chain with Drake is ignorant at best, disingenuous at worst.
 
Overall though, speculation thread doesn't need to turn into a contest of whose expectations are the most sensible when clearly everyone has different values.
If I'm totally honest, my Switch with an MClassic on my LG OLED has been serving me well and will probably continue doing so. I'm playing Xenoblade on it now and it looks great. I remember the Wii years of desperately trying to get 480p games looking good on an HD set, Switch is so much better. Even without an upscaler the games look nice. If televisions did integer or other superior scaling methods by default I think there'd be less complaints about IQ.

With it being 6 years since Erista, and since Mariko is already an upgrade dialed back for battery life reasons, I'd like to think my expectations for Switch Advance are reasonable. Pre-DLSS, BotW2 and Xenoblade 3 at locked 1080p 30 at the absolute minimum.

And of course, the Nvidia data breach - probably the most hardcore piece of evidence we have - suggests it can do more than that. It's already been 5 months since that leak and I'd happily wait more, at the very least I know it exists and cancellation is unlikely.

Any time anyone posts something like

act like they’re the smartest person in the thread but don’t seem to realize all this kind of post indicates is that they haven’t paid attention to a single meaningful thing regarding the “pro” conversation and just look like a disruptive jackass

it’s a meaningless over-simplification of the situation and adds less than nothing to the discussion
Those same folks need to realize that confirmation bias works both ways. If one's immediate reaction to that Nikkei report is "haha I was right all allooong" then they may need to take a step back.
 
I'm sure it's buried in this thread somewhere, but what is the current consensus on the hardware specs for the new Switch model?

Is it still based on what was in the Nvidia leak a while back?
 
If I'm totally honest, my Switch with an MClassic on my LG OLED has been serving me well and will probably continue doing so. I'm playing Xenoblade on it now and it looks great. I remember the Wii years of desperately trying to get 480p games looking good on an HD set, Switch is so much better. Even without an upscaler the games look nice. If televisions did integer or other superior scaling methods by default I think there'd be less complaints about IQ.

With it being 6 years since Erista, and since Mariko is already an upgrade dialed back for battery life reasons, I'd like to think my expectations for Switch Advance are reasonable. Pre-DLSS, BotW2 and Xenoblade 3 at locked 1080p 30 at the absolute minimum.

And of course, the Nvidia data breach - probably the most hardcore piece of evidence we have - suggests it can do more than that. It's already been 5 months since that leak and I'd happily wait more, at the very least I know it exists and cancellation is unlikely.


Those same folks need to realize that confirmation bias works both ways. If one's immediate reaction to that Nikkei report is "haha I was right all allooong" then they may need to take a step back.
To summarize what I've been about on my end before, it was never about getting to 4K -- which is nice, but not it's not even at the bottom of my list.

It's about seeing games with virtually zero load times (or if not just loading better overall), being less of a hurdle for 3rd party support and how much more detail Mario can look while still feeling like Mario and every generation of a major Mario title has given me a new standard thus far -- which current Switch has already done a fine job on 2 of those things technically speaking but I do not care for Cloud service versions of games and hope that branch gets some pruning. I expect better memory bandwidth and the improved CPU handling more complex game engines being an asset and perhaps another case of Capcom or another developer being the squeaky wheel to push for more RAM than what Nintendo thinks is sufficient because we would've had Wii U with 1GB and Switch with 2GB if not for squeaky wheels like them.

And yeah, Nate's only human. I'm not gonna stop following this thread or badger the fella just because more details aren't likely to surface before Late Spring/Early Summer 2023.
 
When Nintendo delayed Zelda to Spring 2023, I took it to mean there was a good chance that they are planning on launching the new system with Zelda like last time (which worked tremendously by the way). This year is already stacked with 1st party games and the Switch is still selling more than it did pre-covid, so they don't need the new system. Next year will likely also be stacked with 1st party games, and expansions. Nintendo could get away with waiting until early 2024 to release their new system if their games line-up is as strong as 2022 in 2023. I personally would like it to come out H1 2023 at the latest, but if their games line-up is strong enough and if they do other things like price cuts, then it's definitely possible to wait until 2024. Nintendo just has to make sure whatever they are cooking up is worth the wait if they decide to take longer than expected.
 
staring at “white Switch OLED in stock at Best Buy 5 mins away”

staring at my current Switch, a barely functioning launch model with bad battery, broken kickstand, non-working touch screen, and dodgy right Joy-Con rail connection

staring at this recent news

staring out the window in contemplation
While eating Subway of course...
 
If I'm totally honest, my Switch with an MClassic on my LG OLED has been serving me well and will probably continue doing so. I'm playing Xenoblade on it now and it looks great. I remember the Wii years of desperately trying to get 480p games looking good on an HD set, Switch is so much better. Even without an upscaler the games look nice. If televisions did integer or other superior scaling methods by default I think there'd be less complaints about IQ.

With it being 6 years since Erista, and since Mariko is already an upgrade dialed back for battery life reasons, I'd like to think my expectations for Switch Advance are reasonable. Pre-DLSS, BotW2 and Xenoblade 3 at locked 1080p 30 at the absolute minimum.

And of course, the Nvidia data breach - probably the most hardcore piece of evidence we have - suggests it can do more than that. It's already been 5 months since that leak and I'd happily wait more, at the very least I know it exists and cancellation is unlikely.


Those same folks need to realize that confirmation bias works both ways. If one's immediate reaction to that Nikkei report is "haha I was right all allooong" then they may need to take a step back.
Honestly at this rate I think I'm gonna pick up one of those mClassic scalers as well if we're gonna continue the waiting game. I don't doubt that even if supply chain issues are reduced it's still gonna be hell trying to get the new console at launch, along with whatever godforsaken price it does launch at. Would be nice to improve the load times and framerates with beefier hardware but even just having some anti-aliasing would make for a nicer experience.
 
When Nintendo delayed Zelda to Spring 2023, I took it to mean there was a good chance that they are planning on launching the new system with Zelda like last time (which worked tremendously by the way). This year is already stacked with 1st party games and the Switch is still selling more than it did pre-covid, so they don't need the new system. Next year will likely also be stacked with 1st party games, and expansions. Nintendo could get away with waiting until early 2024 to release their new system if their games line-up is as strong as 2022 in 2023. I personally would like it to come out H1 2023 at the latest, but if their games line-up is strong enough and if they do other things like price cuts, then it's definitely possible to wait until 2024. Nintendo just has to make sure whatever they are cooking up is worth the wait if they decide to take longer than expected.
While i believe this could be true, zelda being delayed doesn't necessarily mean that. Zelda games and getting delayed. There is no more iconic duo that goes hand in hand like those two.
 
Honestly at this rate I think I'm gonna pick up one of those mClassic scalers as well if we're gonna continue the waiting game. I don't doubt that even if supply chain issues are reduced it's still gonna be hell trying to get the new console at launch, along with whatever godforsaken price it does launch at. Would be nice to improve the load times and framerates with beefier hardware but even just having some anti-aliasing would make for a nicer experience.
The more consoles you have, the greater the value. I use it on Wii, Switch and PS3 so it's worth it. It upscales 480p / 1080p to 1440p on my 4K set and the post-processing AA works a treat - though disable it on pixel-art games.

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Honestly I don't think many of the online comparison shots communicate the IQ well. On a 55 inch TV, the cleaned up aliasing makes a perceivable difference.
 
Yeah, my expectations are tempered with how ARM hardware is measured and how it's progressed. Being a Luddite who didn't own Android devices until 2015 and seeing how my Lenovo A8-50 couldn't run Dolphin for pennies to seeing an Ayn Odin years later run that in its sleep is the kind of thing that gets my motor running.

Switch did launch with one of the meanest pieces of ARM hardware on the block for a mobile device for a time but now the bar's been raised on the CPU end even though Tegra is virtually peerless as a mobile GPU, with only the RDNA Samsungs, Imagination/PowerVR's Apple GPUs and the upcoming ray-tracing Mali GPUs to shake things up in that regard. Basically what I'm saying is Tegra X1 standing at 5 years as Switch graphics and 7 years old as hardware is going to run its course and even if you disagree on that, there's other factors like 4GB memory or the IPC of an A57 compared to the likes of an A76 or A78 showing there's room for improvement.

I know there's people who probably mean well by saying temper your expectations (although how they say it is a lot to unpack), but I don't think people are making comparisons to PS4 Pro or XBox Series S in a hard and fast sense as if the silicon or performance is comparable pound-for-pound, just more like "it can handle ports with less watering down" kinda way.

The bottom line for me is that if Switch has a refresh, successor or what have you, it'll be better than Tegra X1 but to what effect has been left up to speculation. I just think just because a user in this thread says a little more than what Nintendo may envision doesn't mean a lot of sneering and browbeating needs to take place nor do I think people wishing for the moon are going to throw feces at the virtual walls just because the hardware isn't a dreadnought of a system. If it means less Cloud connection ports (HOPEFULLY NONE AT ALL) after the system comes out, it's done its job.

Overall though, speculation thread doesn't need to turn into a contest of whose expectations are the most sensible when clearly everyone has different values.
I’ve only ever wished for twice the CPU & GPU performance, twice the RAM and twice the memory bandwidth from the upgraded Switch. Even if it’s that with DLSS on top I will be a happy boy as it will be a momentous leap over the launch model. It won’t be though with even mid range expectations being 4x CPU, 4x GPU, 2.5x RAM and 4x memory bandwidth with DLSS on top.
 
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The more consoles you have, the greater the value. I use it on Wii, Switch and PS3 so it's worth it. It upscales 480p / 1080p to 1440p on my 4K set and the post-processing AA works a treat - though disable it on pixel-art games.

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Honestly I don't think many of the online comparison shots communicate the IQ well. On a 55 inch TV, the cleaned up aliasing makes a perceivable difference.
That's a good point, I only have a PS4, Wii U and Switch connected on a Sony 50" 1080 panel, but I do have an LG C1 55" still in box (bought on sale, and then my condo got delayed lmao) so hopefully when I do get to put it to use it'll still mean I can get some good use out of the dongle just to uprez the games I do have. Would you say it's worth buying whenever, or to specifically wait for a sale if they have one?
 
That's a good point, I only have a PS4, Wii U and Switch connected on a Sony 50" 1080 panel, but I do have an LG C1 55" still in box (bought on sale, and then my condo got delayed lmao) so hopefully when I do get to put it to use it'll still mean I can get some good use out of the dongle just to uprez the games I do have. Would you say it's worth buying whenever, or to specifically wait for a sale if they have one?
It's frequently on sale for $20 off so that's what I recommend, that's when I bought it and I think it's that price on GameStop now. It never drops below. And those are definitely good consoles to use with it, Wii and Gamecube games (via softmod) on Wii U will also get a nice upgrade. It'll even look good on your 1080p panel, by default the max output is 1080p, I needed an EDID emulator to force 1440p on my CX (you might not need it on your C1).

The difference between 1440p and 1080p output on the mClassic is miniscule, but I think the built-in scaler on a 4K TV will handle 1440p better so it'll give a slightly sharper image. And if you have a 1440p monitor you get that sexy 1:1 mapping.

This is really getting into the nitty-gritty and I'm an IQ-obsessed little nerd but the journey was worth it. Metroid Dread and BotW look insane on my TV, the same TV where I play God of War in DLSS'd 4K. 😆 (Also when you eventually plug in your C1 turn up the sharpness on 1080p sources to 15-25, this will engage the TV's upscaler and introduce no artifacts) More info here.
 
It's frequently on sale for $20 off so that's what I recommend, that's when I bought it and I think it's that price on GameStop now. It never drops below. And those are definitely good consoles to use with it, Wii and Gamecube games (via softmod) on Wii U will also get a nice upgrade. It'll even look good on your 1080p panel, by default the max output is 1080p, I needed an EDID emulator to force 1440p on my CX (you might not need it on your C1).

The difference between 1440p and 1080p output on the mClassic is miniscule, but I think the built-in scaler on a 4K TV will handle 1440p better so it'll give a slightly sharper image. And if you have a 1440p monitor you get that sexy 1:1 mapping.

This is really getting into the nitty-gritty and I'm an IQ-obsessed little nerd but the journey was worth it. Metroid Dread and BotW look insane on my TV, the same TV where I play God of War in DLSS'd 4K. 😆 (Also when you eventually plug in your C1 turn up the sharpness on 1080p sources to 15-25, this will engage the TV's upscaler and introduce no artifacts) More info here.
Bookmarked for when I do end up getting mine so I can refer to this guide 😋 Thank you though for the input! I've often flip flopped on it for a while now despite knowing about Drake, but I think with the latest Nikkei report and even if I only get a few months of use before moving onto the next console it might be a worthwhile investment to reinvigorate my V1 Switch haha
 
staring at “white Switch OLED in stock at Best Buy 5 mins away”

staring at my current Switch, a barely functioning launch model with bad battery, broken kickstand, non-working touch screen, and dodgy right Joy-Con rail connection

staring at this recent news

staring out the window in contemplation

Honestly even if you didn't buy a new Switch, having these issues with my current one would prompt me to get it repaired.
 
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For folks to repeat that talking point without acknowledging the obvious conflation of the OLED supply chain with Drake is ignorant at best, disingenuous at worst.
Indeed, I'll add Mariko absolutely could have been a "Pro" model, as the chipset (which is what leaked) could absolutely support better output at the OG Erista model battery life.

So the facts were right, new chips, the analysis was not, which happens all of the time.
 
Indeed, I'll add Mariko absolutely could have been a "Pro" model, as the chipset (which is what leaked) could absolutely support better output at the OG Erista model battery life.

So the facts were right, new chips, the analysis was not, which happens all of the time.
100%. Mariko is fully capable of significant performance increases over Erista, but Nintendo (wisely) chose to keep clocks in line with the launch units and focus on battery life, to avoid stigmatizing early adopters and keep from fragmenting the development pipeline.
 
staring at “white Switch OLED in stock at Best Buy 5 mins away”

staring at my current Switch, a barely functioning launch model with bad battery, broken kickstand, non-working touch screen, and dodgy right Joy-Con rail connection

staring at this recent news

staring out the window in contemplation
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staring at “white Switch OLED in stock at Best Buy 5 mins away”

staring at my current Switch, a barely functioning launch model with bad battery, broken kickstand, non-working touch screen, and dodgy right Joy-Con rail connection

staring at this recent news

staring out the window in contemplation
I was you, I jumped. Now I just actually have to get around to selling my OG launch day, mod friendly Switch.
 
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There are a couple of eBay listings for OLED Switch tablets, good cost savings right there. The dock and joy-con are sexy but I don't need them.

If I could get a modded OLED I'd give up my modded Erista in a heartbeat.

Btw here's 60 FPS Xenoblade 3 on an overclocked Mariko Switch. Jeeeeeessus

 
Hmm, annoying news to hear, but it was always one of the likelier scenarios in mind. Oh well, still doesn't aggravate me as much as certain other hardware stuff... (present day GPU market is still terrible for my specific wants and it's one of the moving parts delaying my next desktop build)

But at the end of the day, I've actually always felt some level of calm ever since the Nvidia hack. Knowing that Drake's being worked on and it being a matter of time helps me a lot. I end up not really caring that much about the when and focus more on having fun with thinking about the what and how, along with the underlying why that's behind the details of the what.
(...no, I don't think that I can fit in who and where in there)

For example, that GPU size of 12 SMs. That's a what detail. But then one wonders, why 12 exactly? Why not a smaller size which would be cheaper? We've then surmised that there must be some practical advantage to go with this size. Probably targeting perf/watt. But is it perf/watt in docked? Is it perf/watt in portable? Can it be optimal for perf/watt in both modes? How much power can you allocate for the GPU, which then presumably gets split up among 12 SMs? If it's only 3-4 watts in portable, what do you get from a quarter to a third of a watt per SM? Are we still above the voltage floor* at this point? Which then introduces the thought that maybe's there power gating going on, so you're not splitting up a few watts across 12 SMs, but instead a smaller number.

Another example/frequent topic is memory bandwidth. We can reasonably infer that the memory bus width is 128 bit. LPDDR5 is what's explicitly listed, IIRC. It's highly likely that 'LPDDR5' here is specifically the standard LPDDR5, but there's an outside shot that it's LPDDR5X. Regardless, options can be assumed. We can calculate 128 bit LPDDR5 (6400 MT/s for a total of 102.4 GB/s). We can calculate current 128 bit LPDDR5X (7500 MT/s for a total of 120 GB/s). We can calculate the peak by spec 128 bit LPDDR5X (8533 MT/s for a total of ~136.5 GB/s). The followup question is then, how does that bandwidth fit with the needs of CPU + GPU? That breaks up into, how much would the CPU need and how much would the GPU need? How much the CPU needs is a tough one to figure out; we can probably discuss that later. What about the GPU? What can be used as a starting point? As far as we're aware, architecturally, we're basically looking at Ampere. Can we then use the RTX 30 series cards for comparison? If yes, can we do something like, calculate (bandwidth) / (SM count * clocks) to get a feel for how Nvidia tried to balance things back in 2020? (or, bandwidth / flops as a shortcut). Would Nvidia have since tweaked how they'd balance things with experience from post-RTX 30 launch?

*quick refresh for the readers:
For chips, power consumption more or less scales quadratically with voltage (ie, voltage squared). As long as you can safely lower the voltage, your power consumption goes down faster than your performance, so your perf/watt ends up improving. The catch is, you can only lower voltage so far (you eventually lose stability). Where that floor is presumably varies with every chip. When you can't continue lowering voltage and can only further dial down current, your power consumption goes down slower than your performance, so your perf/watt starts going back downward. Thraktor demonstrated this with his RTX 3070 in this post.
 
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The weirdest thing I've seen behind this recent Nikkei article is how people love to pick and choose when they trust the information from these sources...

From my perspective it’s simple:

Nikkei reports info they received from their manufacturing sources and leaks - trust

Nikkei reporter makes specific speculation and conjecture based on limited and generalized info - skeptical
 
I am sticking with my opinion that the new hardware will either launch with Zelda sometime in the Spring or Nintendo won't release new hardware until 2024+ or beyond. I don't see them releasing Zelda in the Spring and then release new hardware in the fall. I feel confident that Nintendo wants to use Zelda as a means to convince people to want to upgrade by showingthe benefitsto the visuals by upgrading to the new hardware. So if this doesn't happen then I'm thinking we won't be seeing the new hardware for a very long time yet. I'm very confident that it will be one or the other. Launch with the next Zelda (April - June) or not launch until at least 2024 or later.
 
@NateDrake

Nate, of course it is not your Duty to tell us infos, but just a couple of days ago you reconfirmed late 2022/early 2023 - now you are confirming H1 23 as it was always your messaged time frame, which isnt the case at all, sorry to say this.

I really think you should clarify this - because this is what I think differed you from all the other leakers, content creators etc. and why I appreciated your posts. It would be such an irony, just days after your podcast complaining about clickbait creators etc (which is 100% true, nothing against that) to go now on H1 23.
Nate has been interchangeably referencing early 23 and first half 23 for a little bit now. You can see in some of his recent posts that it predates what was reported by Nikkei today/yesterday.
 
I don't care about the exact release date... just announce it already!
Tbh, I think the reason there wasn't a summer Direct is because Nintendo realized extended announce times hurt current business endeavors.
 
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