Enhanced model, iterative successor, potato potahto. Software ecosystems are now hardware agnostic so having a different architecture or process node doesn't define how Nintendo markets it.
Orin NX is a full Orin with half of the chip disabled, so that definetily isnt what Nintendo would use. Dane would be a semi custom, cut down version of Orin with all of the automotive focused features removed, and probably some gaming focused features added.
Has it been confirmed that NX is a binned version of AGX with disabled components? Looking at their release pages, I can only see the board dimension, not the die size, though they do look similar when placed side by side.
You mentioned slipping... I'm confused if you intended this or not.
overburden them in what way? it is still a switch game and they had to take the job of doing it now or later, it isn't a switch 2 game being downgraded, easier to scale up than to scale down from a much stronger platform.
and suddenly the world is mended by the power of the bionisI'll say Orion and Switch 2 as much as I want, dammit.
Orin NX
this also seems pretty suspect, I find it odd Emily hasn't heard of anything at all in what seems like any facet when Emily would hear of something happening still, even if faint. Or maybe she has but it isn't something coherent so she rather not leak or release details as there is no point in releasing details if not enough information has been accrued from her end.
I cannot find anything, but considering it is the same die size and follows the same nomenclature as previous Nvidia SOCs, assuming it is a binned version of the AGX with some parts disabled is the safest best. Otherwise I don't know how a chip with less features is the same size, lots of wasted space imo.
It could also just be something for Nintendo theme park. They are working on things in the background for that. So consumer focused but not for the switch necessarily.
I’m sure Universal is handling the team park stuff, with Nintendos oversight. I remember reading about the programmers for the Mario kart ride, meeting with Miyamoto.You mentioned slipping... I'm confused if you intended this or not.
overburden them in what way? it is still a switch game and they had to take the job of doing it now or later, it isn't a switch 2 game being downgraded, easier to scale up than to scale down from a much stronger platform.
if you had said say, Metroid Prim 4 as a launch title exclusive to the switch 2 then yeah that's a big burden to take, but the current example is breath to the wild 2 which was built with the switch 1 as the basis. The switch 2 would just be easier to work with than the switch.
and it isn't like they don't already optimize with for the portable specifications and the docked specification
and suddenly the world is mended by the power of the bionis
this also seems pretty suspect, I find it odd Emily hasn't heard of anything at all in what seems like any facet when Emily would hear of something happening still, even if faint. Or maybe she has but it isn't something coherent so she rather not leak or release details as there is no point in releasing details if not enough information has been accrued from her end.
I cannot find anything, but considering it is the same die size and follows the same nomenclature as previous Nvidia SOCs, assuming it is a binned version of the AGX with some parts disabled is the safest best. Otherwise I don't know how a chip with less features is the same size, lots of wasted space imo.
It could also just be something for Nintendo theme park. They are working on things in the background for that. So consumer focused but not for the switch necessarily.
Who knows? down the line a Metroid themed one with a VR or AR moment. But maybe not now, currently what is next are the Donkey Kong and Zelda series if they haven't been built already.
Probably should have used a different word but I have always been talking about a scenario where the hardware is firmly planned for late 2023 past the dates both Nate & Bloomberg are talking about.
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Ah, now it makes more sense.
I think it needs to be made more clear into context at what they had to deal with, the reason why they needed more time is that they weren’t really moving from the hardware vendor that they had to something newer that the same hardware vendor already had, they switch vendors. They went from AMD/PowerPC to Nvidia/arm, that is a massive undertaking already. It’s like moving from the PS3 to the PS4, this is not a trivial amount of work. However Nintendo will be moving from nVidia/arm to... well, NVidia/arm. This already cut down a drastic part of the effort needed to release a game on two systems.The big Zelda: Breath of the Wild interview
For many, the highlight of last week's Nintendo Switch event was the beautiful new look at The Legend of Zelda: Breath …Even if you are scaling up I don’t want a situation where we hear this again in an interview because they decided to delay the game for new hardware. While they have lots of it done already with the first game everyone here should know that complications can still arise between platforms. This in addition to whatever else they may be implementing with the next game.It sounds like a major undertaking and development - it's a massive game you're releasing across two different platforms. I'd love to know the challenges of creating such a big game and making sure that it was done in time for the launch of Nintendo Switch.
Aonuma: Yes, this was a development process where on numerous occasions we've had to say, "Sorry, we need more time", and because the process was so long there were actually a lot of problems that got naturally resolved over time.
One of the major problems we faced on a game of this size was actually coordinating everything, and by that I mean creating this huge open world by lots of development staff. Each individual person might be working on just one part of that world, but if they're working without a broader context, within isolation, then they might think, "I'm creating this particular area or feature or object", but if they don't know how that fits into the broader world and context of the game, things won't tie together very well.
We had to make sure everyone was communicating as much as possible, and everyone had an idea of that broader world, but we really had to make sure all the development staff could play the game as much as possible. That takes a long time for a game of this size as you can imagine. So we had to take time throughout the development period to really play the game and make sure that this cohesion was maintained.
Another example of a challenge we faced was the physics engine. We wanted a consistent physics engine throughout the world that worked in a logical and realistic way. Actually implementing that was sometimes more complicated than it seemed. [For example], one day I picked up the latest build of the game and went to an area, and saw that all the objects that were supposed to be in that area weren't there. I was quite surprised and confused, and I realised after asking the programmer, the reason the objects weren't there was because the wind in-game had blown them all away.
Sure, I understand that it will be easier between two similar hardwares compared to two different ones but I rather them release; then do enchantment like PS/MS while potentially making an upscale port that they can sell at another date. I think that would be easier on the team while also allowing to take advantage of new hardware without having to delay or stressing them if their are complications. It’s why I said it was silly since there are other options out there at this point.
The case is that there are already RT cores in the Orin architecture, so if Nintendo doesn’t want them, they actually have to do custom engineering to remove them.
I’d rather they not do that, thanks.
the games will be tailored for it rather than need to span a wide range of hardware of various capabilities. if a dev started with the intention of making RT work on an RX 6500XT, they could do it.
Maybe my reading comprehension sucks, but to me Aonuma isn’t saying that the Switch caused them these problems. None of those things are platform related. They were making a large game, and they had to communicate constantly for it to stay coherent. The physics engine were behaving in unexpected ways, so that was challenging to deal with. That’s not platform related.Probably should have used a different word but I have always been talking about a scenario where the hardware is firmly planned for late 2023 past the dates both Nate & Bloomberg are talking about.
The big Zelda: Breath of the Wild interview
For many, the highlight of last week's Nintendo Switch event was the beautiful new look at The Legend of Zelda: Breath …Even if you are scaling up I don’t want a situation where we hear this again in an interview because they decided to delay the game for new hardware. While they have lots of it done already with the first game everyone here should know that complications can still arise between platforms. This in addition to whatever else they may be implementing with the next game.It sounds like a major undertaking and development - it's a massive game you're releasing across two different platforms. I'd love to know the challenges of creating such a big game and making sure that it was done in time for the launch of Nintendo Switch.
Aonuma: Yes, this was a development process where on numerous occasions we've had to say, "Sorry, we need more time", and because the process was so long there were actually a lot of problems that got naturally resolved over time.
One of the major problems we faced on a game of this size was actually coordinating everything, and by that I mean creating this huge open world by lots of development staff. Each individual person might be working on just one part of that world, but if they're working without a broader context, within isolation, then they might think, "I'm creating this particular area or feature or object", but if they don't know how that fits into the broader world and context of the game, things won't tie together very well.
We had to make sure everyone was communicating as much as possible, and everyone had an idea of that broader world, but we really had to make sure all the development staff could play the game as much as possible. That takes a long time for a game of this size as you can imagine. So we had to take time throughout the development period to really play the game and make sure that this cohesion was maintained.
Another example of a challenge we faced was the physics engine. We wanted a consistent physics engine throughout the world that worked in a logical and realistic way. Actually implementing that was sometimes more complicated than it seemed. [For example], one day I picked up the latest build of the game and went to an area, and saw that all the objects that were supposed to be in that area weren't there. I was quite surprised and confused, and I realised after asking the programmer, the reason the objects weren't there was because the wind in-game had blown them all away.
Not much is known, outside of RT cores being present on Orin. Nvidia interestingly has made no mention on the Jetson AGX Orin Data Sheet about which generation Orin's RT cores are part of, according to ILikeFeet. (Of course, I could speculate that there's a possibility Orin's RT cores are part of the same generation as the RT cores on Lovelace GPUs. And I could also speculate that there's a possibility the RT cores on Lovelace GPUs are as performant as the RT cores on Ampere GPUs, except Lovelace GPUs require less RT cores in comparison to Ampere GPUs.)
I will note that RTGI nowadays is highly scalable, so RTGI can be done on the RT cores even if there are fewer in number.
No, since Nvidia mentions the RT cores on Ampere GPUs are primarily for bounding volume hierarchy (BVH) traversal, bounding box intersection, interpolate tri position (time), and triangle intersection.
"Nintendo Switch OLED Plus" seems like a very confusing name to me, especially if there are substantial performance improvements, so no.
I think there’s enough people thirsty for a bit more resolution and frame rate help in Switch games that any implementation of these types of technologies will attract attention. And hasn’t Nintendo filed patents that indicate they’re working on a FSR or DLSS-like solution in-house? I know the underlying technologies and methods aren’t the same but in terms of their application, all these are intended to either improve resolution and/or frame rate.
Maybe i misread but there was some talk elsehwere abotu PS5/Series X games finally talking advantage of FSR and pushing them to hold 4k 60fps, as if it's a peer competitor to DLSS. if it's just a sharpening filter how much of a perf gain does it offer really.
"FSR 4K Performance mode" basically means "Render at 1080p and upscale to 4K in a less ugly way", so the gain is in pretending it's higher resolution.
Because it's not just a sharpening filter
Well, overly grainy IQ in a post-FSR/NIS Image is usually either due to a lack of sharpening, too much sharpening, or too low base resolution for the level of upscale.
I know 'Plus' was a popular guess for the Switch Pro, but assuming this is an iterative successor , Switch 4K , Switch 2 may be their pick. Plus is too vague, given we have descriptive products like Switch OLED, it makes sense.
What?
I think that might be in regards to the discovery of Switch Sports using FSR
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I would like them to backport the renderer on every non-native res first party game that could use it, namely Xenoblade Chronicles 2.
Another new posting. Is it me or are the job postings picking up?Job Openings - Careers at Nintendo of America
Senior Engineer, Embedded Systems (NTD), Software Development
Nintendo Switch 4K - OLED Model |
Oh so I wish for the dayJob Openings - Careers at Nintendo of America
Senior Engineer, Embedded Systems (NTD), Software Development
I really think that they will heavily brand the new model, the 'OLED Model' name was just to emphasise that it was the same Switch with a new screen only.
Outside of Japan, Nintendo released the DSi XL around a year before launching the Nintendo 3DS. So definitely not the first time if Nintendo decides to launch the DLSS model* in holiday 2022.
I don't believe there's a licence fee associated with DLSS since Nvidia made the DLSS SDKs available to download for free to registered Nvidia developers. But Nvidia's terms of service with respect to DLSS mentions that the DLSS SDKs can only be used in systems using Nvidia's GPUs.
Probably not, but Nintendo is likely developing a contingency plan in the scenario that they need to switch vendor if it goes down the drain and need a super sampling solution of sort.
Yeah, but wouldn't be surprised if they very much were doing a "Look at my homework but change it a bit" approach in relation to DLSS.Probably not, but Nintendo is likely developing a contingency plan in the scenario that they need to switch vendor if it goes down the drain and need a super sampling solution of sort.
Like if they switched to Intel GPUs
There's also a matter of not being used in conjunction with an open source project. That's why Quake II RTX won't implement DLSS.
I think ultimately I feel that the OLED would be a throw away if the Pro had everything it had.
Depends on when Dane tapes out. The latest Dane probably needs to tape out in order to launch at around November 2022 for holiday 2022 is probably around May 2022.
Would that mean Mass production around June/July time potentially?
