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BreakAtmo said:
BC doesn't, but enhanced BC absolutely would. This is what so tremendously frustrates me about this, the fact that the Switch 2 would sell millions on the back of 4k60 TotK and Mario Odyssey and the like. A huge delay like this because they just have to have the new Mario game at launch sucks. Nobody is actually gaining anything from it.
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That is what makes Nintendo more conservative than their competitors. Nintendo is not willing to risk launching a system where their launch titles are not ready to be released. They certainly won't take the risk to coast on enhanced BC games and third party support like Sony and Microsoft would do.
 
BreakAtmo said:
BC doesn't, but enhanced BC absolutely would. This is what so tremendously frustrates me about this, the fact that the Switch 2 would sell millions on the back of 4k60 TotK and Mario Odyssey and the like. A huge delay like this because they just have to have the new Mario game at launch sucks. Nobody is actually gaining anything from it.
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Redacted would sell millions just from being one of the most anticipated devices with enhanced BC titles at best being a coincidence as to why it is selling so well. Regardless they still need titles to keep momentum going after the initial launch. If they have nothing for months then there was no point in launching early. Nintendo has everything to gain by playing the long game like they usually do since I’m sure we all remember how the 3DS started; of which I’m sure Nintendo would not like a repeat of.
 
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Danny said:
That is what makes Nintendo more conservative than their competitors. Nintendo is not willing to risk launching a system where their launch titles are not ready to be released. They certainly won't take the risk to coast on enhanced BC games and third party support like Sony and Microsoft would do.
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They did it with the Wii U, thinking that pausing a 2D Zelda game to release NSMBU (which is what happened to the director of Wonder) at breakneck speed and a Nintendo Land technical demo (which I love) would be enough. They were proven completely wrong. The fact that they're keen not to make that terrible mistake again is actually great news, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Silver lining: with a price drop and/or bundle around the holidays, this may push Switch into being the highest selling console.
 
Danny said:
That is what makes Nintendo more conservative than their competitors. Nintendo is not willing to risk launching a system where their launch titles are not ready to be released. They certainly won't take the risk to coast on enhanced BC games and third party support like Sony and Microsoft would do.
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I disagree that it's a risk, though. We've seen what happened when Nintendo releases a device costing hundreds of dollars with only the ability to play Switch games better - it's called the Switch OLED Model, and it has sold millions of units to people who already had a Switch, despite not even offering visual upgrades to docked players. Assuming the Switch 2 does have full enhanced BC, it would be doing the OLED's job even better and have an immediately much brighter future with all the exclusives coming very soon.

I fully believe there are at least 10 million people willing to buy a Switch 2 early just for the enhanced BC - not enough for a whole console lifecycle, but more than enough for the first few months. "Zelda but at 4K 60fps" is an exclusive, one that would drive sales hard.
 
Wow, +20 pages in one day.


So while we haven't heard from the Horse's mouth, the possible reasons why Nintendo could be delaying a late 2024 release to (hopefully) early 2025 release are:

1. Shippment issues due to war
2. November elections (lol)
3. Delaying so they can have more games at launch from 1st and/or 3rd?
4. Supposedly they are confident they can sell 15 million switches his year for whatever reason (and no threat from Sony and MS) and really want to ride it out and with little to no cross gen games on switch.
5. PS5 Pro rumored to be releasing this fall, and they don't want to go head to head with that.

IMO, if it really comes out in 2025 everywhere (versus say a few continents as Super Metal Dave thinks), I think it's #4 and maybe #1 (if it's really that bad).
 
Tbh the last time Nintendo decided to have a launch without heavy hitters was with the wiiu and 3ds, and both those consoles underperformed and got instantly abandoned by third parties so I understand why they’re being extra careful with the launch, if they screw up it’s going to be an uphill battle for the next 7 years, and the switch gave them plenty of time to finish their line up without hurry since it’s still selling well even in its 8 year.
It’s pretty crazy how in 2021 people were clamoring for the successor and we’re going to get it in 2025 or maybe 2026
 
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Leviraps said:
Assuming the rumors are true, which they likely are, when do you think we’ll see Switch 2? They pretty much have to show it before or during the holiday season if they’re aiming for March 2025.
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I still don't believe the initial unveil period has changed, and there's nothing to suggest as much either. I think we'll see it this March or April. That means around a year reveal-to-release period. Not a "bad" strategy, but it's fairly clear it was more condensed before the rumors came out.
 
Leviraps said:
Assuming the rumors are true, which they likely are, when do you think we’ll see Switch 2? They pretty much have to show it before or during the holiday season if they’re aiming for March 2025.
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If the plan was a march announcement for an holiday release I could see a September announcement for a march release now.
 
To me, the bigger question is why the hell don't they have their heavy hitters ready after 7 years of planning for this?

If it's something like that, then this delay is annoying. I'll only forgive Nintendo if they give me everything I personally want (4nm, 16bg ram, 4.5tflops, enhanced BC in all evergreens) and probably some other stuff I am forgetting.
 
ns156 said:
To me, the bigger question is why the hell don't they have their heavy hitters ready after 7 years of planning for this?

If it's something like that, then this delay is annoying. I'll only forgive Nintendo if they give me everything I personally want (4nm, 16bg ram, 4.5tflops, enhanced BC in all evergreens) and probably some other stuff I am forgetting.
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the dev teams haven't been working on the software for 7 years...
 
To be honest, I don't buy the theory of waiting for the games to be ready. Switch 2 would be sold out for months even if it was released with 123 Switch and an HD version of BotW, it's the most anticipated console of all time.
 
darthdiablo said:
Did you see the Reddit post from Kopite someone shared earlier? He doesn’t know for a fact, he assumed 8nm only because other Amperes are 8nm.

Kinda poor basis to form an assumption on. Maxwell GPUs were all 28nm, but the Maxwell SOC used by Switch is 20nm not 28nm
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You're confusing Kepler with Kopite (the reddit post was about kepler)
 
ns156 said:
To me, the bigger question is why the hell don't they have their heavy hitters ready after 7 years of planning for this?

If it's something like that, then this delay is annoying. I'll only forgive Nintendo if they give me everything I personally want (4nm, 16bg ram, 4.5tflops, enhanced BC in all evergreens) and probably some other stuff I am forgetting.
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Companies are not your friends and you don't have to forgive them for anything.
 
LinkURL said:
To be honest, I don't buy the theory of waiting for the games to be ready. Switch 2 would be sold out for months even if it was released with 123 Switch and an HD version of BotW, it's the most anticipated console of all time.
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Indeed, it seems to be based on, well, completely baseless speculation. Only Nintendo knows why there has been a delay.
 
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Been trying to catch up on a lot of stuff and apparently it seems a 2024 release is now basically a thing of the past. At least the Direct is now confirmed for next week, so that's something at least. Still torn on the March thing... not seeing a reason for Nintendo to reveal the next console 1 year in advance when they can easily afford to keep quiet up until mere months before the planned release.

Personally i'm dissappointed if the Q1 2025 delay for a better launch line-up will turn out to be true, but hey it means i get more justifications to grab the Switch 2 right at launch day similar to how i did with the Switch 1 for Zelda BotW. I have yet to find a game for my PS5 that i got in summer 2021 where i'm like "yeah, this is a system-seller". Monster Hunter was always a system-seller for me, but since MH6 is coming to PC as well, i'm sitting here with a console with nothing to play on. MH6 might even get a day-one Switch 2 version for the console's launch lineup if it's set to launch in Q1 2025 as well (we currently only know it's sometime in 2025 so it's possible) which makes a PS5 version even more undesirable for me, as MH is always best suited on handhelds.

Nintendo was wise to launch the Switch after the holiday season to have a must-play available right away and this supposed delay will definitely help to get another great first year like 2017. I'm not sure what to make of it regarding the hardware itself though, don't think much if anything could see a potential change or upgrade regarding specs and features.
 
ShadowFox08 said:
Wow, +20 pages in one day.


So while we haven't heard from the Horse's mouth, the possible reasons why Nintendo could be delaying a late 2024 release to (hopefully) early 2025 release are:

1. Shippment issues due to war
2. November elections (lol)
3. Delaying so they can have more games at launch from 1st and/or 3rd?
4. Supposedly they are confident they can sell 15 million switches his year for whatever reason (and no threat from Sony and MS) and really want to ride it out and with little to no cross gen games on switch.
5. PS5 Pro rumored to be releasing this fall, and they don't want to go head to head with that.

IMO, if it really comes out in 2025 everywhere (versus say a few continents as Super Metal Dave thinks), I think it's #4 and maybe #1 (if it's really that bad).
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Eurogamer and VGC says it's due to Nintendo strengthening first party slate for the console.
 
ShadowFox08 said:
Wow, +20 pages in one day.


So while we haven't heard from the Horse's mouth, the possible reasons why Nintendo could be delaying a late 2024 release to (hopefully) early 2025 release are:

1. Shippment issues due to war
2. November elections (lol)
3. Delaying so they can have more games at launch from 1st and/or 3rd?
4. Supposedly they are confident they can sell 15 million switches his year for whatever reason (and no threat from Sony and MS) and really want to ride it out and with little to no cross gen games on switch.
5. PS5 Pro rumored to be releasing this fall, and they don't want to go head to head with that.

IMO, if it really comes out in 2025 everywhere (versus say a few continents as Super Metal Dave thinks), I think it's #4 and maybe #1 (if it's really that bad).
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If it was 1 everything would be getting delayed
 
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ns156 said:
What has the Mario team done since Odyssey?
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smarter people than me can fill in the specifics but to the best of my knowledge they worked on Bowser's Fury and maybe 1 other game iirc. What else I remember is hiring for a 3D action game in 2019. Again someone smarter than me can correct me.

But also, how do you know it's the Mario team?

Notsowise said:
The biggest problem here is that nintendo has everything to lose going against GTA6 launch.

Switch2 will be nothing … people won’t even acknowledge its release. GTA6 will be a monster.
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We're really all getting our overreactions out today it seems lol.
 
Notsowise said:
The biggest problem here is that nintendo has everything to lose going against GTA6 launch.

Switch2 will be nothing … people won’t even acknowledge its release. GTA6 will be a monster.
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Last I checked, GTA6 isn't a console, so IDK what the issue is here.
 
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Hocot8 said:
the dev teams haven't been working on the software for 7 years...
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For a possible launch line-up, most teams had at least 4 years of development, and could deliver titles for the first year. Heavy-hitters like Mario (7y), Zelda (5y, Grezzo Remake?), Mario Kart (7y), Animal Crossing (4y) and maybe Metroid (3y, MercurySteam) can be fit in a launch year between the months of October 2024 and October 2025, and that's already an insane lineup, and then in 2026 they can release a new Splatoon, Mario Party, Luigi's Mansion and many other titles.
 
Notsowise said:
The biggest problem here is that nintendo has everything to lose going against GTA6 launch.

Switch2 will be nothing … people won’t even acknowledge its release. GTA6 will be a monster.
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According to Necrolipe, it is a day 1 release on switch 2 and the other consoles...
 
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Okay, we have to admit that the T239 leak was perhaps worse for us than for Nintendo and NVidia.
We have spent the last 2 years theorizing about an imminent announcement, which in reality will only happen in 1 year.
 
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Do we know for the fact that 3 months delay was the actual delay? I keep seeing that mentioned (a quarter delay), but I'm not sure if that was speculation.

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