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D36 said:
This seems less noticable, but I'd say AI complexity. Pikmin comes to mind in that regard, as the first game was a showcase of not only the GameCube's rendering capabilities, but also the AI of 100 characters (although that's yielded mixed results).
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Ah Mario 128, forgot about that :p Did you have something specific in mind about character AI like pathfinding?

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D36 said:
No, I meant that the Pikmin AI can be rather finicky. It's a problem that's plagued the series to this day.
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Ohh sorry about that then. P4’s AI did feel off somehow, maybe differently from P3’s etc but there was just something about it
 
Melpomene said:
I mean, there’s something to be said for not dismissing opposing perspectives out of hand for sure. But we also can’t just treat all speculation as equal or equally informed. Then the conversation is just “maybe this is true!” -> “maybe it is!” forever and ever and ever.

At a certain point both individuals and the community at large are going to make judgements as to what is more likely true based on the evidence they’ve seen, and it’s going to influence the flow and content of the discourse. That’s just kind of… the nature of information existing in an environment.
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Fore sure agree with this.

I think the issue I personally have, and the reason I've trafficked this site much less since the start of the new year, is that this is not an equal exchange. And typically results in post after post after post of non conversation just repeating each other, again usually variations of "Because nintendo" being the response over and over from different people. Sometimes a little more thought, sometimes plainly rude. But the point is it's kinda trash to get through to find the original point of this thread - speculation.

And it's odd that something below expected specs being mentioned gets that response, and I agree some of the takes are ridiculous but still, not really warranting the thread to get so out of hand because of a remark one person made.

Further, the response to similarly ridiculous takes but on the opposite side of the spectrum(GPU in dock, 120hz OLED screens etc) are treated with a much more fair and balance response most the time. They should be qual for the sake of this thread being even close to readable any more. If you disagree, explain why or don't and move on. The drive by posting to shit on someones thoughts are annoying for sure
 
BingBong43 said:
Docking could be entirely secondary on the new device. Maybe it's sold as a handheld that can become a hybrid if you buy the dock separately?

Maybe Nintendo offers a way to dock the device without it having to leave your hands?
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Folks here have been very thorough with explaining why having detachable controllers and the dock bundled with the unit impacts the hybrid presentation and the playability of certain titles.

Yes, we don't know what we don't know. But we can at least debate on what is more likely or not, even ignoring the customs data. The reason we take the Switch idea for granted is because it has been a success and the detachable controllers well-received. It does not seem convincing that they would regress on this, and require the purchase of additional accessories for simply playing on an external display, when the selling point of the Switch has been as an 'all-in-one' device.

Nintendo has already sold SKUs of the standard Switch without the dock, but the joy-cons are still there, because they still have a use in table-top mode, and in multiplayer. Two heavily advertised features.

Dockless streaming is a possibility but I don't see it as a replacement for the current docked setup. There are numerous disadvantages like shortened battery, increased heat dissipation, lower quality signal, still needing a receiver on the television, etc. As an option for playing on the TV, sure. As the only way to dock, ever? It would be a straight downgrade.

I dismiss the idea of no joy con not because I don't like it personally (it would make me dislike the product design though in a world where cost and space weren't an issue, I'd buy a solid unit Switch 2 and separate motion controllers), but because it's incongruent with how Nintendo has marketed and presented the Switch and designed unique titles for it. And it is crucial that these controllers are included with the base unit.

It is absolutely fair to take for granted certain things. Otherwise the discussion loses its center of gravity. I hope this will be taken as a good faith engagement of the idea, as I feel like my other posts on this were ignored.
 
Dekuman said:
Microsoft needs to find it's niche. Coming out with a hybrid will just put them where they are now vis-a-vis Sony but vs Nintendo and it solves nothing.
Their hardware isn't selling for other reasons smarter people than me will have to figure out.

It's clear having the most powerful console and a reasonably price entry point console that's more or less a twin to the PS5 isn't helping them. So I don't see why copying what Nintendo will do will help them.
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True enough. I think the solution to that particular problem is quantity and quality of software. I'm not well versed in Microsoft enough to understand what sort of niche they should carve out, but I doubt what I'd have in mind has any synergy with what they're doing with stuff like Gamepass. While I don't think they're leaving the console market anytime soon, I could see them doing so comfortably, while still relying on Gamepass, even if that might not be sustainable.
 
So when do Lunar New Year vacations end and we can start hearing from funcles? Assuming that production starts after the holiday, of course. Also, did we get any new info from December shipping data?
 
Cuzizkool said:
So when do Lunar New Year vacations end and we can start hearing from funcles? Assuming that production starts after the holiday, of course. Also, did we get any new info from December shipping data?
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Seems like it'll end this Sunday.
 
Cuzizkool said:
So when do Lunar New Year vacations end and we can start hearing from funcles? Assuming that production starts after the holiday, of course. Also, did we get any new info from December shipping data?
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Yes, we got December data close to end of January (so a bit early that round).

Nothing exciting, just plastic housing pieces.
 
RodneyPump said:
And it's odd that something below expected specs being mentioned gets that response, and I agree some of the takes are ridiculous but still, not really warranting the thread to get so out of hand because of a remark one person made.
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For what it's worth, I don't think pages need to be spent quoting a single person. I agree that it doesn't need to be dragged out further. And I empathize with the anxiety one can feel of being responded to a lot.

I don't think anyone has been ridiculed for simply suggesting low ball specs. If it has, then I missed it. (And this could lead into a whole side tangent about tone on the internet but I'll speak for myself, that when I consider an idea to be ridiculous or unlikely, I am not holding anything against the person. If I laugh at someone suggesting the Switch 2 will be as strong as an Xbox One docked, I'm giggling at the idea and not the person bringing it up, after all I don't really know any of you. We are talking about video games at the end of the day). What I see interrogated is the reasoning behind it.

In this instance, this poster was already familiar with why 8 GB may be unlikely - since there was already a pages long discussion earlier where they suggested it. And to be honest, it wasn't completely unreasonable. Nintendo wanting to keep costs low and devs making the most of low-spec hardware are common beliefs based in some truth, the PS4 had 8 GB, and it'd still be twice the amount of the current Switch. These are not inherently ridiculous points and are worth talking about, and people did engage in a conversation with that poster pages earlier. I said this earlier but it's still worth engaging with good faith at the very least as a learning tool.

But then the outcome of no Direct today has resulted in posts where because the insiders were incorrect in today's prediction, that means certain information relayed must also be false - including 8 GB and no backwards compatibility. The reasoning there seems faulty and the jumping to conclusions is questionable. That is what I personally find to be a little silly. Especially the no BC part. It feels dismissive of the quality of discussion we've had in this thread, and instead casts our speculation as being entirely reliant on insiders.

I just thought I'd add some context here. I doubt people are frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of specs. And it is true that none of us know the final outcome. But I think some are tired of the common refrain that existing expectations are unrealistic, when they've been grounded in credible leaked data, and the leaked information is plausible. So that when someone suggests something incongruent with it, there's a higher burden of explanation. It's not simply what is an 'approved' idea or not. We have had a very solid source for informed speculation for over a year, it will take convincing to shift from it. Which is why if, let's say, someone says 'the next Switch will have 512 CUDA cores' most people will most likely laugh it off and explain why it's unlikely. Whereas information not in the leak - RAM, storage, clock speeds - have had pages of debate with no solid consensus.

Also ugh, I typed way too much on this. At least the migraine is gone.
 
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oldpuck said:
Maybe Im biased as a handheld guy, but I think MS should absolutely make one, instead of a series X equivalent next gen. Make a cheap console to outprice Sony, and a handheld and offer a year of gamepass free, and their hardware sales would skyrocket
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I suppose. I mean there are people who wants a high end 4K 120 hz experience. But four years from now, don't you think we will have satisfying xbox handheld that can hit 4K (maybe not 120hz, but still.)
 
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For what it's worth, I don't think pages need to be spent quoting a single person. I agree that it doesn't need to be dragged out further. And I empathize with the anxiety one can feel of being responded to a lot.

I don't think anyone has been ridiculed for simply suggesting low ball specs. If it has, then I missed it. (And this could lead into a whole side tangent about tone on the internet but I'll speak for myself, that when I consider an idea to be ridiculous or unlikely, I am not holding anything against the person. If I laugh at someone suggesting the Switch 2 will be as strong as an Xbox One docked, I'm giggling at the idea and not the person bringing it up, after all I don't really know any of you. We are talking about video games at the end of the day). What I see interrogated is the reasoning behind it.

In this instance, this poster was already familiar with why 8 GB may be unlikely - since there was already a pages long discussion earlier where they suggested it. And to be honest, it wasn't completely unreasonable. Nintendo wanting to keep costs low and devs making the most of low-spec hardware are common beliefs based in some truth, the PS4 had 8 GB, and it'd still be twice the amount of the current Switch. These are not inherently ridiculous points and are worth talking about, and people did engage in a conversation with that poster pages earlier. I said this earlier but it's still worth engaging with good faith at the very least as a learning tool.

But then the outcome of no Direct today has resulted in posts where because the insiders were incorrect in today's prediction, that means certain information relayed must also be false - including 8 GB and no backwards compatibility. The reasoning there seems faulty and the jumping to conclusions is questionable. That is what I personally find to be a little silly. Especially the no BC part. It feels dismissive of the quality of discussion we've had in this thread, and instead casts our speculation as being entirely reliant on insiders.

I just thought I'd add some context here. I doubt people are frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of specs. And it is true that none of us know the final outcome. But I think some are tired of the common refrain that existing expectations are unrealistic, when they've been grounded in credible leaked data, and the leaked information is plausible. So that when someone suggests something incongruent with it, there's a higher burden of explanation. It's not simply what is an 'approved' idea or not. We have had a very solid source for informed speculation for over a year, it will take convincing to shift from it. Which is why if, let's say, someone says 'the next Switch will have 512 CUDA cores' most people will most likely laugh it off and explain why it's unlikely. Whereas information not in the leak - RAM, storage, clock speeds - have had pages of debate with no solid consensus.

Also ugh, I typed way too much on this. At least the migraine is gone.
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Oh yeah, don't disagree.

I think I may have muddied my own point with being too wordy(which is why I only lurk - I have a bad habit of letting stuff slip and I don't want to engage in much speculation for fear of it becoming obvious where I used to work and having a small chance of people thinking I have some sort of connect or info and I definitely do not)

My problem is simply as a reader - it's an excessive task to read this thread. Yes, someone brining up things that have already thoroughly been dismantled can be annoying. But that's just a postt, and scroll on by it if it contribute nothing. X amount of follow up posts repeating the same non-conversation one liner over and over is the exact same thing, but just a lot more of em. My opinions of people here and their opinions of others are not my concern and, like you said, I know no one here so they're of very little value(personal opinions on actual people). My whole thing is I wish the occasional off or even truly negative posts would be considered the same as the following mountain of responses. They're literally the same, just one trashes up the readability of the thread waaay more. I just wanna read about hardware
 
oldpuck said:
Maybe Im biased as a handheld guy, but I think MS should absolutely make one, instead of a series X equivalent next gen. Make a cheap console to outprice Sony, and a handheld and offer a year of gamepass free, and their hardware sales would skyrocket
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I suppose. I mean there are people who wants a high end 4K 120 hz experience. But four years from now, don't you think we will have satisfying xbox handheld that can hit 4K (maybe not 120hz, but still.) And decent graphics? Wouldn't it make sense that Microsoft (and Sony) would have a DLSS like hardware in their new handheld?
For me, it would just make the traditional console have less uniqueness to it.
 
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ILikeFeet said:
DF suspects it's based on Platinum tech, but I have many reasons to doubt that. I suspect these problems are teething issues with CyGames internal tools as this is, as far as I know, the first game on it, as Project Awakening has been MIA for such a long time.
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Platinum's PS4 Relink was 60fps. the CyGames engine is obviously problematic and could be something as bad as the Game Freak engine.
 
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omniryu said:
  1. One try reading the first post.
  2. Just ask and someone can give you am an Abridge version m.
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I've read it. I've been up to date with everything since Nvidia leaks(though not on famiboards at the time). Speculation outside of the first post is still enjoyable, when it can be found
 
D36 said:
I think the thread ban was a little excessive....
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Agreed. While I don't agree with that user on a lot of things, if they felt that the thread had a hostile environment that is a completely valid criticism and threadbanning them does not seem to be the right way to go about it.
 
RodneyPump said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you. I also don't agree with many of the lower spec takes. In fact, I'm pretty much in line with what basically everyone else is expecting because it just makes sense.

I'm an old(ish) fart and have had the luck and luxury of retiring early, and I'll occasionally browse here because being a retired electrical engineer and life long nerd, some of the things certain members post here are super enjoyable to read and right up my alley.

But it's really off putting to wade through 100 posts in a row of "BECAUSE NINTENDO" just to find one section of actual conversation because someone dared mention 8gb, no joycons or any number of other things considered "negative". Not everyone is knowledgeable about hardware, or supply chain logistics or how billion dollar companies operate. Having a different opinion isn't "negative" by default. No matter how much I think they're wrong.

Personally, as well, I don't even think questioning someone's credentials is necessarily a huge deal. The people in question have a proven track record, and everyone will be off the mark now and then. And soon enough they'll hit another thing right. These are grown men and their records will speak for themselves, people are allowed to question either way though
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I agree it's annoying to go through pages because people would post bad takes. But I don't know why the blame is on people who react to posts making reactionary statements. People aren't reacting to negativity, people are more than happy to discuss why the talking points are what they are over and over as seen in the last 100 pages. Just come at it in good faith. I'm sure you see the replies to your post are much different from the other poster. Same with credential, you are always gonna get second hand information and everybody get that. As you said, the person has a track record and using a wrong to selectively cancel everything bad to your argument is no longer a matter of being skeptical.
 
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RedSpring said:
I agree it's annoying to go through pages because people would post bad takes. But I don't know why the blame is on people who react to posts making reactionary statements. People aren't reacting to negativity, people are more than happy to discuss why the talking points are what they are over and over as seen in the last 100 pages. Just come at it in good faith. I'm sure you see the replies to your post are much different from the other poster. Same with credential, you are always gonna get second hand information and everybody get that. As you said, the person has a track record and using a wrong to selectively cancel everything bad to your argument is no longer a matter of being skeptical.
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For sure. Mine isn't so much one or the other has more 'blame". It's simply a matter of volume and quantity. One or two of the wall claims or downer posts doesn't really do much to thread until there's a ton of reaction posts to said take. Now a one or two post point has grown into pages of non conversation. They're both reactionary to me, just one is a matter of volume.

However, I'll probably go back into lurk simply because now I'm running the risk of being a hypocrite for taking the thread off track speaking of people taking the thread off track, haha

But for the record, every response I've gotten outside of one from you guys is very reasonable. None of these are aimed at any of those or any reasonable reply to anything. Just feeling like I'm reading through a lot of spam most days
 
As long as i get my early March reveal for ReDraketed, i honestly couldn't care less if there's a Direct in Feb, what kind of Direct it is, and what games it will feature.

But i'm on Team "Mass production starts as soon as Lunar New Year's over". So they kinda have to announce it soon imo.
They might be able to keep leaks from happening for a short time after mp starts, but that will just be a short timeframe.

So yeah, go Nintendo, be the control freak you sometimes are, and prove me right. ^^
 
Bonejack said:
As long as i get my early March reveal for ReDraketed, i honestly couldn't care less if there's a Direct in Feb, what kind of Direct it is, and what games it will feature.

But i'm on Team "Mass production starts as soon as Lunar New Year's over". So they kinda have to announce it soon imo.
They might be able to keep leaks from happening for a short time after mp starts, but that will just be a short timeframe.

So yeah, go Nintendo, be the control freak you sometimes are, and prove me right. ^^
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If no direct meant reveal in February I‘d take that.
 
Concernt said:
To achieve a flatter profile and improve durability, what would people think of Nintendo using a cycloid or circle pad? With a click, of course. I think I'd be ok with it, I quite liked the circle pads but a larger size like the cycloid or Sega Saturn 3D Controller would be nice.
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I loved the circle pads; they make a lot of sense in a handheld when joysticks can get damaged in a bag or a pocket. Going off of what bmfrosty said, maybe the joycon in the box could be the standard design, while the circle pad or cycloid joycon could be sold as an ultra low-profile alternative for those who want it. At that point you could also throw some extras into the mix, like a beefier Pro joycon with programmable buttons.
 
I know I said March 8th in the other thread, but Nintendo should tweet a picture of a colored face button every week until the reveal on March 15th with no further explanation, starting today.
 
My apologies if this was already posted.

NVIDIA: 'There will be no future dealings with Samsung.'


Note: this could be referring to memory for future Nvidia products and have nothing to do with chip fabrication.
 
slsk said:
My apologies if this was already posted.

NVIDIA: 'There will be no future dealings with Samsung.'


Note: this could be referring to memory for future Nvidia products and have nothing to do with chip fabrication.
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*except we're letting them produce the soc for the sequel of one of the best selling consoles of all time.
 
omniryu said:
Idk about a hybrid AND a traditional console. Wouldn't those two just cannibalize each other? Are we getting 8K games next year? No? Are 120 hz tv becoming more common? Idk, but if not I just see a split. Then if Microsoft just want it to play Xbox one games and some series games... then how well will it do without new content?
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Yup, to support 2 kind of consoles will further increase the cost. Microsoft and Sony need to pick only one. Nintendo already pick theirs = hybrid
 
YolkFolk said:
I think early 2025 would be a wasted 2024 holiday period for Nintendo. The hardware and software sales won’t be there for Switch so having the new hardware out for then should be a priority.
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Early 2025 is not even remotely in play currently. I would know if something changed that drastically to alter a deadline from Q2 2024 to something like late Q4/early Q1 2025.

There are Devs working hard with the expectation of a coming launch, major wrench being thrown into that work when you pull the rug out and delay it for reasons that at this point would be unfathomable. There just isn't anything Nintendo can seemingly hide behind to continue coasting like this without new hardware.

Nintendo would be smart to stick to Q2 2024 for announcement/reveal. The Switch has been milked enough honestly.
 
Erathix said:
BingBong? Did I miss something? Thought people were going on about cough can't mention their name because I got a warning over being honest.
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BingBong also caught a 1 month threadban. The other poster’s moderation was warranted, but BingBong was caught in the crossfire a bit imo.
 
I'm enjoying how we now have everything from May to 2025 being entertained. what a huge window & different people saying/knowing/guessing different things. March can't come soon enough!

i'm gonna have to be team September for now as it seems like the safest play.
 
YolkFolk said:
I think early 2025 would be a wasted 2024 holiday period for Nintendo. The hardware and software sales won’t be there for Switch so having the new hardware out for then should be a priority.
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If nintendo miss the holiday period for the launch I would assume that is due to them not being able to follow through on their launch preparations.

Either that a key software title just isn’t ready and they deem it to risky launch without it or serious problems in the manufacturing and/or logistics chain. That would be a pretty big failure though.
 
MP! said:
“What reason do doomers have for dooming a doom? Is it simply the fact that they doom?”
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Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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Erathix said:
It really, really wasn't if you were following their post history.
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100%’ing this. Just look through the post history. It’s not over any “couple of” posts. It’s the constant behavior that goes back longer time than recently.

Anyway it’s still just a temporary threadban.
 
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ILikeFeet said:
DF suspects it's based on Platinum tech, but I have many reasons to doubt that. I suspect these problems are teething issues with CyGames internal tools as this is, as far as I know, the first game on it, as Project Awakening has been MIA for such a long time.
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Yeah it may have Platinum dna in some parts but no their tech. It is their first big console game and based on its structure and tech their tools are still working in progress for console. So Awakening might have been put to sleep for a while.
 
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