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The Great Sea theme really adds to the ocean experience. You truly feel like you’re on an epic adventure. Sooooo good.I always adore the ocean gameplay in Wind Waker and finding new islands is fun even if a bit mechanical with the sea chart grid, but the dungeons (my favorite part of Zelda) are fairly weak for me and there’s too few plus the Triforce Quest is such a drag in the original version. I also never really fully vibed with the graphics. For me it’s definitely the weakest of the 3D Zeldas. Still a very creative and good game though. I don’t think this is the year, but I hope we see both Wind Waker and Twilight Princess (plus Four Swords Adventures) hit Switch in the next few years or so in the cross gen period with Switch 2.
We'll probably get treated to one more Mario Party game-Uhh, moving on from insulting Zelda games to a bit more positive conversation starter.....
What are some unannounced games y'all expect to release BEFORE the Switch 2? They don't have to be revealed in the September Direct, I'm just asking in general.
For me, I'm thinking a new Paper Mario game (not a remake), Windwaker HD, and a new party game from NDCube will come out before the Switch 2. Paper Mario doesn't really benefit from being a Switch 2 title and will probably be different enough from Mario RPG to release soon after, Windwaker HD is an obvious port, and NDCube releases a game every couple of years so we'll be past due in 2024. I don't expect to see Fire Emblem, DK, or Prime 4 before the next system releases.
And well I guess I don't need to keep typing anymoreI wouldn't be surprised by a Mario Party game next year, with more of an emphasis on the Gamecube games like what Superstars did with the N64 games.
For Paper Mario in particular, I think our next game is the rumored TTYD remake and I actually think it has a good shot of having an additional small campaign of some sort. Maybe it’s Luigi’s Waffle Kingdom Adventures (or some riff on that) or some kind of epilogue content, but I think this one is going to be a bigger deal than some of the more straightforward ports / remasters we have seen. It’s mostly just a guess from timing and I think it’ll launch next Summer so it won’t get announced here.Uhh, moving on from insulting Zelda games to a bit more positive conversation starter.....
What are some unannounced games y'all expect to release BEFORE the Switch 2? They don't have to be revealed in the September Direct, I'm just asking in general.
For me, I'm thinking a new Paper Mario game (not a remake), Windwaker HD, and a new party game from NDCube will come out before the Switch 2. Paper Mario doesn't really benefit from being a Switch 2 title and will probably be different enough from Mario RPG to release soon after, Windwaker HD is an obvious port, and NDCube releases a game every couple of years so we'll be past due in 2024. I don't expect to see Fire Emblem, DK, or Prime 4 before the next system releases.
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My thought process on Paper Mario is that it's been three years since the last game, soon to be four next year. Unless TTYD is a ground up remake, that seems like a long time for a remaster. The next mainline game is probably pretty far along at this point. Origami King sold really well on Switch, so the next game just makes sense on this system. Save TTYD for early Switch 2.For Paper Mario in particular, I think our next game is the rumored TTYD remake and I actually think it has a good shot of having an additional small campaign of some sort. Maybe it’s Luigi’s Waffle Kingdom Adventures (or some riff on that) or some kind of epilogue content, but I think this one is going to be a bigger deal than some of the more straightforward ports / remasters we have seen. It’s mostly just a guess from timing and I think it’ll launch next Summer so it won’t get announced here.
I do think FE Genealogy, DK, and F-Zero are certainly hitting before Switch 2 hits, with Prime 4 I’m 50/50 on if it’ll be a cross gen launch title.
As for other games, Tomodachi, Rhythm Heaven, and a new HAL eshop game all seem like solid contenders. I’d love a new Fortune Street and Zelda Four Swords game, but those ships might have sailed now.
I'm honestly surprised there isn't a Star Fox on Switch. Not sure where it could slot in if the holidays have Marios and we still have Prime 4 to account for, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see it before the release of new hardware. Unless they really wanna hold off and do something mind-blowing with new hardware (which I don't really expect )Uhh, moving on from insulting Zelda games to a bit more positive conversation starter.....
What are some unannounced games y'all expect to release BEFORE the Switch 2? They don't have to be revealed in the September Direct, I'm just asking in general.
For me, I'm thinking a new Paper Mario game (not a remake), Windwaker HD, and a new party game from NDCube will come out before the Switch 2. Paper Mario doesn't really benefit from being a Switch 2 title and will probably be different enough from Mario RPG to release soon after, Windwaker HD is an obvious port, and NDCube releases a game every couple of years so we'll be past due in 2024. I don't expect to see Fire Emblem, DK, or Prime 4 before the next system releases.
Super Mario wonder for sure.Our first weekly discussion question is officially up now!
Week 1 – From the two Directs this year, which game or games would you most like to see an update on at the next Direct?
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Possible but, I think the main Mario Party team will try to move forward with the series. Everybody 1-2 Switch pushes it back for me but, I think that would just make it a June/July title instead of a March title. Releasing past that point puts it too close to the Switch 2's proposed release date and it doesn't seem like a title that would gel well as a cross-gen release.I wouldn't be surprised by a Mario Party game next year, with more of an emphasis on the Gamecube games like what Superstars did with the N64 games.
I'm glad the SMRPG Remake exists so they'll be at least one real Paper Mario on the Switch.The Origami King sold really well on Switch, so the next game just makes sense on this system.
But is it a good Paper Mario like Origami King is?I'm glad the SMRPG Remake exists so they'll be at least one real Paper Mario on the Switch.
Origami King didn’t sell that great as all the other Nintendo IP’s did on switch. And it’s one new game per system as Nintendo told Ubisoft for Mario games. They won’t release a new Paper Mario on Switch. That will be for switch 2. Ports and remasters is a different conversationBut is it a good Paper Mario like Origami King is?
That's actually a great point! I wonder if that's why we haven't gotten an Odyssey 2.Origami King didn’t sell that great and it’s one new game per system as Nintendo told Ubisoft for Mario games. They won’t release a new Paper Mario on Switch. That will be for switch 2. Ports and remasters is a different conversation
A lot of people love Super Mario RPG. That same love doesn’t exist for Origami King.
Botw, tears of the kingdom.Origami King didn’t sell that great as all the other Nintendo IP’s did on switch. And it’s one new game per system as Nintendo told Ubisoft for Mario games. They won’t release a new Paper Mario on Switch. That will be for switch 2. Ports and remasters is a different conversation
A lot of people love Super Mario RPG. That same love doesn’t exist for Origami King. People do like it and people still think the direction is mixed.
This seems to be a Mario-specific thing. And it's not a rumor either, Ubisoft confirmed it themselves.Botw, tears of the kingdom.
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Let’s be real, it wasn’t because Mario rabbids 2 was on og switch as a reason it wasn’t as well received. The battle system is not as enjoyable as the first and the game just isn’t as good.This seems to be a Mario-specific thing. And it's not a rumor either, Ubisoft confirmed it themselves.
The game reviewed really well, is regarded as an improvement on the original, and the battle system is infinitely better. It just didn't sell well.Let’s be real, it wasn’t because Mario rabbids 2 was on og switch as a reason it wasn’t as well received. The battle system is not as enjoyable as the first and the game just isn’t as good.
For clarity, Nintendo advised that it's better to do one per system. Not a hard rule (as evidenced by Spark of Hope releasing on the OG Switch lol)Origami King didn’t sell that great as all the other Nintendo IP’s did on switch. And it’s one new game per system as Nintendo told Ubisoft for Mario games. They won’t release a new Paper Mario on Switch. That will be for switch 2. Ports and remasters is a different conversation
A lot of people love Super Mario RPG. That same love doesn’t exist for Origami King. People do like it and people still think the direction is mixed.
sourceAlthough, I think it was a different issue with Mario. We had already released a Mario Rabbids game [on Switch], so by doing another we had two similar experiences on one machine. On Nintendo, games like this never die. There are 25 Mario games on Switch. Nintendo [has advised] that it's better to do one iteration on each machine. We were a bit too early, we should have waited for [the next console]."
Yeah advised. And look at Nintendo and Mario. Paper Mario has been a one game per system since the N64. Not sure why that would change now.For clarity, Nintendo advised that it's better to do one per system. Not a hard rule (as evidenced by Spark of Hope releasing on the OG Switch lol)
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Besides all the usual rumored remasters/remakes (FE4, F-Zero X, Kid Icarus, Prime 2/3, TTYD, the Zelda, probably forgetting a few), a couple things jump out to meUhh, moving on from insulting Zelda games to a bit more positive conversation starter.....
What are some unannounced games y'all expect to release BEFORE the Switch 2? They don't have to be revealed in the September Direct, I'm just asking in general.
For me, I'm thinking a new Paper Mario game (not a remake), Windwaker HD, and a new party game from NDCube will come out before the Switch 2. Paper Mario doesn't really benefit from being a Switch 2 title and will probably be different enough from Mario RPG to release soon after, Windwaker HD is an obvious port, and NDCube releases a game every couple of years so we'll be past due in 2024. I don't expect to see Fire Emblem, DK, or Prime 4 before the next system releases
Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope “didn’t sell well,” whatever that means, because Ubisoft hasn’t sold it for 15 bones yet. I love both games dearly but I didn’t pull the trigger on Kingdom Battle until 4 years after it released when it was $15, and also because the sequel had beenLet’s be real, it wasn’t because Mario rabbids 2 was on og switch as a reason it wasn’t as well received. The battle system is not as enjoyable as the first and the game just isn’t as good.
Pretty much. They'll release multiple games per system in a series/sub-series (hello there, 2D Mario and 2D Zelda) if they think they can make money off of them. If they don't think it's worth it, they won't. Don't see why people are acting like it's some sort of mandate handed down from on high.For clarity, Nintendo advised that it's better to do one per system. Not a hard rule (as evidenced by Spark of Hope releasing on the OG Switch lol)
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Except no one has said anything is a mandate. There’s exceptions all over the place. Sorry it hasn’t happened with Paper Mario.Pretty much. They'll release multiple games per system in a series/sub-series (hello there, 2D Mario and 2D Zelda) if they think they can make money off of them. If they don't think it's worth it, they'll won't. Don't see why people are acting like it's some sort of mandate handed down from on high.
I don't really see it happening with Paper Mario since SMRPG is coming, even if that's not a Paper Mario game, it's still a Mario RPG. If Switch was getting TTYDHD this would be the time for it. Unless they sneak it out mid-2024 or something after a good gap post-SMRPG, I think it'll be a Switch 2 game.Except no one has said anything is a mandate. There’s exceptions all over the place. Sorry it hasn’t happened with Paper Mario.
It feels like the next mainline PM could already be far along in development, and I doubt TTYD is a significant-enough remaster/remake that it served as a huge resource vacuum for IS. I think the next PM is for sure Switch 2, but a TTYD remaster isn't out of the question for 2024.I don't really see it happening with Paper Mario since SMRPG is coming, even if that's not a Paper Mario game, it's still a Mario RPG. If Switch was getting TTYDHD this would be the time for it. Unless they sneak it out mid-2024 or something after a good gap post-SMRPG, I think it'll be a Switch 2 game.
What do y'all think the topic is going to be? My guess will be an episode focused around Baldur's Gate 3 and the state of the GOTY race heading into Fall.
Ha, yeah, it's hard to say where the buck stops with that topic. After Starfield does feel right though, imo - it's arguably the last huge behemoth/wildcard for 2023. Spider-Man 2 is basically guaranteed to be really good, but really iterative, and Mario Wonder is likely to be a 90+ MC (or close to it) but perhaps not "TGA" enough for a nom.GOTY Race is a topic we are considering for late next month. Want to delve into Starfield before touching that topic... though we could then also wait for Spider Man 2 and Mario Wonder... shit.
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I don’t actually think I’ve spoken to anyone that enjoyed sparks battle system compared to kingdom, but fair enough. I definitely wouldn’t call it infinitely better though. Easily one turning reach point maps and just spamming dash’s with no regards to movement, isn’t what I really want from a strategy game.The game reviewed really well, is regarded as an improvement on the original, and the battle system is infinitely better. It just didn't sell well.