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I dunno it's basically exactly what happened last year. Just, lite.OLED lite when everyone is hoping for the DLSS model would be the newest "biggest insult by a gaming company in the past 10 years"
I dunno it's basically exactly what happened last year. Just, lite.OLED lite when everyone is hoping for the DLSS model would be the newest "biggest insult by a gaming company in the past 10 years"
Hey, I like the lite.the lite is for those who give no damn about what they're buying, so why oled
Lol, didn't think I'd get quoted here. I'm not sure it actually means anything but it's odd that they'd take it down if it didn'tFurukawa: breathes
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Exactly, so imagine it happening for the 2nd year in a row with an "inferior" model to the original OLED!I dunno it's basically exactly what happened last year. Just, lite.
It was not. In fact, now that I'm looking at the NoA upload specifically, we can see that one was made private between July 8 and July 11 2021. So obviously it was because of the OLED announcement, but it's important to note they only did it right on or after the date of that announcement. So the private video coincided with a new announcement, but it wouldn't have been much use for predicting one in advance.Lol, didn't think I'd get quoted here. I'm not sure it actually means anything but it's odd that they'd take it down if it didn't
Edit: Apparently it might not have been recent? Interesting
False alarm then. Thanks for clearing it up, I took down the tweet to avoid spreading false info furtherIt was not. In fact, now that I'm looking at the NoA upload specifically, we can see that one was made private between July 8 and July 11 2021. So obviously it was because of the OLED announcement, but it's important to note they only did it right on or after the date of that announcement. So the private video coincided with a new announcement, but it wouldn't have been much use for predicting one in advance.
Video not private on 6/8: https://web.archive.org/web/20210708000750/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59yuBFRSZdg
Video private on 6/11: https://web.archive.org/web/20210711181902/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59yuBFRSZdg
Hmm, doesn't the OLED switch dock only support HDMI 2.0 (up from the 1.4 of the base switch dock)? Since Orin supports HDMI 2.1, I would assume that the Drake dock does tooInteresting. I posted about this 2 months ago: The OLED dock is capable of supplying all 39W from the AC adapter to the console, presumably by starving the USB ports. Since the OLED console doesn't consume more power than the v2 model, this seems to be a future-proofing feature. It's a distinct possibility that the next Switch model may increase its docked mode TDP.
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I don't think this is a dealbreaker for forward compatibility though.Hmm, doesn't the OLED switch dock only support HDMI 2.0 (up from the 1.4 of the base switch dock)? Since Orin supports HDMI 2.1, I would assume that the Drake dock does too
Now, I of course don't expect games to run at a locked 4K120 on Drake, but I could realistically see some games that already run at a fixed/locked 1080p/60fps (like Skyward Sword HD) receive patches to increase the resolution to 4K (either native or upscaled) and have an unlocked framerate to make them able to go anywhere between 60 and 120.
If the Drake switch supports VRR, those framerates would be pretty sweet
Hmm, doesn't the OLED switch dock only support HDMI 2.0 (up from the 1.4 of the base switch dock)? Since Orin supports HDMI 2.1, I would assume that the Drake dock does too
Now, I of course don't expect games to run at a locked 4K120 on Drake, but I could realistically see some games that already run at a fixed/locked 1080p/60fps (like Skyward Sword HD) receive patches to increase the resolution to 4K (either native or upscaled) and have an unlocked framerate to make them able to go anywhere between 60 and 120.
If the Drake switch supports VRR, those framerates would be pretty sweet
Hahaha!Furukawa: breathes
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I think so yes.
It's all good! Kind of nice you're on here though to catch comments from people about it! Plus, you might end up in a bunch of YouTube videos now that people are hurriedly making, haha!False alarm then. Thanks for clearing it up, I took down the tweet to avoid spreading false info further
Hmm, doesn't the OLED switch dock only support HDMI 2.0 (up from the 1.4 of the base switch dock)? Since Orin supports HDMI 2.1, I would assume that the Drake dock does too
Now, I of course don't expect games to run at a locked 4K120 on Drake, but I could realistically see some games that already run at a fixed/locked 1080p/60fps (like Skyward Sword HD) receive patches to increase the resolution to 4K (either native or upscaled) and have an unlocked framerate to make them able to go anywhere between 60 and 120.
If the Drake switch supports VRR, those framerates would be pretty sweet
I don't think this is a dealbreaker for forward compatibility though.
There are also more reasons to think FC may be a thing. Namely that it supports 4k60 and it supports firmware updates.
I wasn't aware the OLED dock was THAT different from the standard one! Cool posts! I'd figure they would keep up thinking of ways to do more with the dock going forward then with Drake and such! Pretty interesting too about them not calling it the "OLED Dock" too!Well, there's three things to consider (Maybe 4?):
1: The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port (The official name, which doesn't mention the OLED Model funny enough.) supports firmware updates. Firmware updates for the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 both modified the HDMI controller to support higher end features (3D and HDR respectively.) post-launch.
2. The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port supports 4K60HDR output, even if the console doesn't, without an update. The Orin supports 4K120, yes, but the Tegra X1 has always supported 4K and HDR without a whiff of support on Switch five years after the fact. 4K60HDR seems reasonable even at a max for the Orin powered Switch, if it comes to be.
3. I'm posting this on a 4K monitor running at 60hz- through a Wii U HDMI cable, the same one that came with the Nintendo Switch at launch. The OLED Model Cable is even better. Maybe not 4K120HDR, but possibly 4K120SDR.
The maybe 4: The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port has excessive ventilation for the V1 Switch, nevermind the OLED Model, and includes a lip around the ventilation area. The Switch only NEEDS one vent- the V1 has one of the intake vents almost entirely obscured internally. The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port has FOUR.
Time to spill some water on this (or maybe gasoline, depending on your perspective.)I wasn't aware the OLED dock was THAT different from the standard one! Cool posts! I'd figure they would keep up thinking of ways to do more with the dock going forward then with Drake and such! Pretty interesting too about them not calling it the "OLED Dock" too!
Maybe the dock is key to all this?
This is so unhinged I feel compelled to + Yeah!The future takes shape. 2023
I don't think this is a dealbreaker for forward compatibility though.
There are also more reasons to think FC may be a thing. Namely that it supports 4k60 and it supports firmware updates.
I think there were some people speculating that the use of the HDMI 2.0 controller on the LAN port switch dock could be due to cost. If HDMI 1.4 is less commonly used today than 2.0, the controllers could be rarer and thus more expensive than the 2.0 ones. No idea if this is correct though.Well, there's three things to consider (Maybe 4?):
1: The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port (The official name, which doesn't mention the OLED Model funny enough.) supports firmware updates. Firmware updates for the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 both modified the HDMI controller to support higher end features (3D and HDR respectively.) post-launch.
2. The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port supports 4K60HDR output, even if the console doesn't, without an update. The Orin supports 4K120, yes, but the Tegra X1 has always supported 4K and HDR without a whiff of support on Switch five years after the fact. 4K60HDR seems reasonable even at a max for the Orin powered Switch, if it comes to be.
3. I'm posting this on a 4K monitor running at 60hz- through a Wii U HDMI cable, the same one that came with the Nintendo Switch at launch. The OLED Model Cable is even better. Maybe not 4K120HDR, but possibly 4K120SDR.
The maybe 4: The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port has excessive ventilation for the V1 Switch, nevermind the OLED Model, and includes a lip around the ventilation area. The Switch only NEEDS one vent- the V1 has one of the intake vents almost entirely obscured internally. The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port has FOUR.
The HDMI support on the SoC is irrelevant. Switch outputs DisplayPort from the USB port (because that's a much better supported configuration than HDMI over USB), which gets converted to HDMI in the dock. The dock is what decides the version of HDMI supported.Hmm, doesn't the OLED switch dock only support HDMI 2.0 (up from the 1.4 of the base switch dock)? Since Orin supports HDMI 2.1, I would assume that the Drake dock does too
Now, I of course don't expect games to run at a locked 4K120 on Drake, but I could realistically see some games that already run at a fixed/locked 1080p/60fps (like Skyward Sword HD) receive patches to increase the resolution to 4K (either native or upscaled) and have an unlocked framerate to make them able to go anywhere between 60 and 120.
If the Drake switch supports VRR, those framerates would be pretty sweet
If that was the case, wouldn't they have changed every model still in production to the new dock? But instead, the (cheaper) V2 model continues to use the older dock (Nintendo Switch Dock) with the older chip (HDMI 1.4). I would probably say it's more like the Micro USB to USB C situation, where USB C is more common, yes, but Micro USB is still an order of magnitude cheaper (even if the cost difference is measured in cents rather than dollars). In quantities of a million, pennies matter. HDMI 2.0 is more common nowadays, yes, but HDMI 1.4 controllers are cheap as chips.I think there were some people speculating that the use of the HDMI 2.0 controller on the LAN port switch dock could be due to cost. If HDMI 1.4 is less commonly used today than 2.0, the controllers could be rarer and thus more expensive than the 2.0 ones. No idea if this is correct though.
As for the updatable dock, you're right. Maybe it could add support for other features that could fit within the HDMI controller's maximum supported bandwidth.
Just because Orin (and Drake by extension) supports up to HDMI 2.1 doesn't necessarily mean Nintendo's going to use HDMI 2.1. Nintendo could choose to stick with HDMI 2.0b (here and here).Hmm, doesn't the OLED switch dock only support HDMI 2.0 (up from the 1.4 of the base switch dock)? Since Orin supports HDMI 2.1, I would assume that the Drake dock does too
Now, I of course don't expect games to run at a locked 4K120 on Drake, but I could realistically see some games that already run at a fixed/locked 1080p/60fps (like Skyward Sword HD) receive patches to increase the resolution to 4K (either native or upscaled) and have an unlocked framerate to make them able to go anywhere between 60 and 120.
If the Drake switch supports VRR, those framerates would be pretty sweet
I'll always go for the gasoline perspective! That is really interesting information for sure though! Does the HEG HDMI cable (the one starting with the OLED) have any notable differences from the older one? I guess that'd require destroying a cable, haha, but just curious!Time to spill some water on this (or maybe gasoline, depending on your perspective.)
The Nintendo Switch used the Wii U HDMI cable. The V2 used the V1 dock (the dock coming with the V2 doesn't have the (-01) designation). Not out of the realm of possibility we see the same situation.
- WUP (Wii U model number) HDMI cable was used in all Nintendo consoles until OLED Model.
- The first dedicated Nintendo Switch HDMI Cable is the HEG (OLED Model model number system) cable.
- The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port, although it doesn't contain OLED in the name, is still a HEG device (HEG 007)
Hahaha! AAAAAH!The call is coming from inside the dock
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I'll always go for the gasoline perspective! That is really interesting information for sure though! Does the HEG HDMI cable (the one starting with the OLED) have any notable differences from the older one? I guess that'd require destroying a cable, haha, but just curious!
A tweet saying that Nintendo recently privated the Switch Lite trailer.What was the tweet/who tweeted it?
can somebody give it a VR feel and add the letter u somewhereI'll always go for the gasoline perspective! That is really interesting information for sure though! Does the HEG HDMI cable (the one starting with the OLED) have any notable differences from the older one? I guess that'd require destroying a cable, haha, but just curious!
Hahaha! AAAAAH!
Haha! This is perfect!
I was thinking more about the bandwidth. HDMI 2.0b only supports up to 18 Gbps (which 4K60 fits into), but anything above 60 (at 4K) would require more bandwidth (edit: I was wrong, 4K120 8-bit 4:2:0 can technically fit inside 18 Gbps, though I don't think 4K120 is an officially supported resolution/refresh rate pair in the HDMI 2.0b specs), like the 48 Gbps of HDMI 2.1. So if we assume that Drake can, in certain specific games, output 4K at a framerate higher than 60, I think it would be kind of a missed opportunity to not use HDMI 2.1.Just because Orin (and Drake by extension) supports up to HDMI 2.1 doesn't necessarily mean Nintendo's going to use HDMI 2.1. Nintendo could choose to stick with HDMI 2.0b (here and here).
As for VRR, I imagine Nintendo wants VRR to supported in TV mode and handheld mode. And I don't know if having an unlocked framerate running between 60-120 fps in handheld mode is possible due to how VRR functions on VRR enabled mobile OLED displays.
Nintendo has privated the Nintendo Switch Lite reveal trailer on YouTube.What was this? Tweet was deleted.
If that was the case, wouldn't they have changed every model still in production to the new dock?
Not that I think it will happen but a handheld gaming PC (like Steam Deck, but more powerful) called AOKZOE is planned for release in September and will have LPDDR5X RAM along with it.
It's speed won't go up to 8533 Mbit/ though, but LPDDR5's 6400 Mbit/s (so no 133GB/s). I'm not betting on it, but the chances of Drake getting LPDDR5X gets higher the later it gets released maybe.. But i'm sure its all set in stone already, and it's not guaranteed that even if we do get it, if it would be for power savings or frequency boost. Every bit of bandwidth helps though...
That doesn't track. Let's say 2.0 controllers ARE cheaper, for sake of argument, replacing the HDMI controller would cost a single capital investment, even if it isn't tiny; RND to make sure it works, then a production line change. This would however lead to ongoing cost savings. This would add up quickly when they're making millions of them.The OLED dock had to be redesigned to support Ethernet, and the OLED required retooling of production lines. Slapping in the cheaper, newer HDMI chipset was a no brainer, future proofing or not.
Redesigning the existing dock and retooling those production lines, plus writing off all the existing dock hardware they inventoried but wouldn’t use would rapidly eat up the short to medium term savings.
Unless the chip shortage (or some other external factor) cuts deeply into their margins, Nintendo will wait till they can get a bunch of these little cost savings together and package them up in one refresh - especially if they can cut little used features in the process for more savings. They’ve done it with literally every other console.
Hmm, speaking of random Chinese things...
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Why do they post a picture of the old model with 8+ mm wide heat pipe? Is this another person confused between the oled model and the lcd model?
Everywhere except the official product listing, strangely.The Nintendo Switch Dock with LAN Port (The official name, which doesn't mention the OLED Model funny enough.)
I would too and then realize I don't have a 120 Hz display lol.it'd be a big thing for casual players too tbh
I'd eat that shit up
I am no longer interested in Splatoon at 120fpsSomething to consider here is that the controllers are currently transmitting at 60 Hz.
You're saying what they posted in their website (LPDDR5X) support is a typo?That’s a typo, the APU it has does not support 5X afaik. You’d need to have the memory controller updated to support 5X. It only supports 5.
This isn’t uncommon to happen where they make typos.
204.8 GB/s is the maximum that we know for know, and its under the 256 but bus bandwidth. The AGX Orion models support this, while the NX models support half of that (102GB/s) at 128 but bus bandwidth.I'm curious, is there a maximum total memory bandwidth for LPDDR5 defined by the specs?
I see a lot of 102.4 GB/s = ((6400 MT/s * 32 bits bus * 4 channels) / (8 bits/byte)) / 1000, but Orin also uses LPDDR5 and has 204.8 GB/s of bandwidth, so double.
Or is just the 6400 MT/s maximum required by the specification and the rest (number of channels and bus width) variable?
I want it to happen just to see the reaction here tbhOLED lite when everyone is hoping for the DLSS model would be the newest "biggest insult by a gaming company in the past 10 years"
I'm curious, is there a maximum total memory bandwidth for LPDDR5 defined by the specs?
I see a lot of 102.4 GB/s = ((6400 MT/s * 32 bits bus * 4 channels) / (8 bits/byte)) / 1000, but Orin also uses LPDDR5 and has 204.8 GB/s of bandwidth, so double.
Or is just the 6400 MT/s maximum required by the specification and the rest (number of channels and bus width) variable?
OLED lite when everyone is hoping for the DLSS model would be the newest "biggest insult by a gaming company in the past 10 years"
Orin has a 256-bit wide bus.I'm curious, is there a maximum total memory bandwidth for LPDDR5 defined by the specs?
I see a lot of 102.4 GB/s = ((6400 MT/s * 32 bits bus * 4 channels) / (8 bits/byte)) / 1000, but Orin also uses LPDDR5 and has 204.8 GB/s of bandwidth, so double.
Or is just the 6400 MT/s maximum required by the specification and the rest (number of channels and bus width) variable?
Blimey, you'd be right.Everywhere except the official product listing, strangely.
Splatoon 2 only updates them at 15hz online anyway.I am no longer interested in Splatoon at 120fps
Yes because the APU quite literally does not support 5X.You're saying what they posted in their website (LPDDR5X) support is a typo?
To figure out the desktop config of Ampere would be used. I think it would be 32ROPs.Though I'm curious if anyone knows what the ROPs count is for Drake?
AMD 6800U came out in January 2022. It's possible that it's using an updated version of the GPU that does support that memory, which isn't released yet.Yes because the APU quite literally does not support 5X.
This is a hardware limit, not a software limit. In order to support 5X they need to have the memory controller that supports 5X. It’s not a simple swap feature here.
AMD outright lists that it uses LPDDR5 with 6400MT/s.
Along with DDR5-4800.
The website made a typo or are straight up lying here because the 6800U cannot use 5x. That or everything has been wrong on this and AMD managed to do this without needing to update or change anything.
To figure out the desktop config of Ampere would be used. I think it would be 32ROPs.