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manfromthedam said:
On one hand, if I'd known in 2021 that we'd have to wait until March 2024 for more beefy Switching, I wouldn't have anticipated it as much as I have :p . On the other hand, super glad to hear it's finally coming!

Also, just been listening to Nate's podcast, and I'm going to be honest: John is a much better co-host than MVG. Just generally more energetic, more articulated. Much more enjoyable.
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To be fair, MVG is 50 years old now, and John is maybe 40 at most? Energy levels wise, age could be a factor here. Other than that, can't say for sure. I disagree on articulation though as despite MVG being an Aussie, I can understand his accent just fine.
 
Ryuji said:
Man if I was Nate reading that people shouldn’t give what I say any thought unless it’s a leak, I sure wouldn’t want to continue sharing anything!
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While I highly respect Nate, I think a lot of us here agree that the whole no joycons idea is seemingly uninformed at best given how much evidence we have that the system will have them. I'm sure he has good reasons for believing that it may be possible, though.
 
Shoulder said:
To be fair, MVG is 50 years old now, and John is maybe 40 at most? Energy levels wise, age could be a factor here. Other than that, can't say for sure. I disagree on articulation though as despite MVG being an Aussie, I can understand his accent just fine.
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Boo to you sir. Boo to you.
 
YolkFolk said:
Something people need to take into account with wanting better Joy Cons and a more comfortable grip…

They need to also feel good when played in the NES and Wii styles. I think that’s what played a part in the shape of the current Joy Cons since they work with all forms of gameplay. Their feeling is quite neutral.
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It’s certainly possible. The Wii remote is a good example. It felt comfortable holding it the standard way and holding it sideways when playing NES VC games.
 
ExoticSpice said:
some speculation is alarmist. just pure fantasy or there is no logic sometimes in what is being said. Now, everyone has a right to say their opinion but DF ahould understand what they has some sort of influence. I have no hate against DF they are awesome at what they do but unfounded speculation does harm to a community.

As an example look Xbox meltdown this week, this was all done with I would consider alarmist speculation. Not every speculation is healthy. Feel free to disagree, these are just my thoughts.
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Speculating that the chip's manufactured on 8nm isn't alarmist. They're just basing it on what Kopite7kimi tweeted back in the day, and that's... fine. They're welcome to have whatever opinion they want, and it's not harming anyone to speculate about something which may end up being wrong.

The truth is that the manufacturing process just doesn't matter that much at this point. If we knew nothing about T239, then the manufacturing process would be very important, because it would give us a range of expectations on how big the GPU is. Without any other knowledge, I might have estimated 4-6 SMs on 8nm, or 8-12 SMs on 4nm, so the choice of node could mean as much as a 2x difference in performance.

With knowledge that it's a 12 SM GPU, and 8 core CPU, then either they (as I expect) have gone with 4nm, or they've managed to make some kind of magical optimisations to the chip on 8nm to make it work. Or we get some unlikely in-between, like TSMC N6, or one of Samsung's 5nm/4nm processes. In any case we get the same GPU and CPU. Clock speeds might be a bit different, but honestly an 8nm T239 would probably only be clocked perhaps 20% lower than a 4nm one, because it simply wouldn't make sense to design the chip like that otherwise.
 
necrolipe said:
I can corroborate independently on Nate's claim of March as a reveal month for Switch 2
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Thraktor said:
Speculating that the chip's manufactured on 8nm isn't alarmist. They're just basing it on what Kopite7kimi tweeted back in the day, and that's... fine. They're welcome to have whatever opinion they want, and it's not harming anyone to speculate about something which may end up being wrong.

The truth is that the manufacturing process just doesn't matter that much at this point. If we knew nothing about T239, then the manufacturing process would be very important, because it would give us a range of expectations on how big the GPU is. Without any other knowledge, I might have estimated 4-6 SMs on 8nm, or 8-12 SMs on 4nm, so the choice of node could mean as much as a 2x difference in performance.

With knowledge that it's a 12 SM GPU, and 8 core CPU, then either they (as I expect) have gone with 4nm, or they've managed to make some kind of magical optimisations to the chip on 8nm to make it work. Or we get some unlikely in-between, like TSMC N6, or one of Samsung's 5nm/4nm processes. In any case we get the same GPU and CPU. Clock speeds might be a bit different, but honestly an 8nm T239 would probably only be clocked perhaps 20% lower than a 4nm one, because it simply wouldn't make sense to design the chip like that otherwise.
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i havent found any evidence for nvidia having any fab time scheduled with samsung. if anyone could find it then i would accept samsung still being on the table, but until then i have to consider tsmc the only option.
 
Now that Switch 2 reveal is confirmed for March by two very trustworthy insiders, February will end up feeling even longer than January, even with two fewer days in the month and more actual presentations lol. Nothing stops this hype train
 
Dragoncaine said:
Now that Switch 2 reveal is confirmed for March by two very trustworthy insiders, February will end up feeling even longer than January, even with two fewer days in the month and more actual presentations lol. Nothing stops this hype train
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Damn leap years too making our February this year a day longer and making us all wait for one more spin of our planet around its axis before Switch 2 is revealed.
 
Cheesehead302 said:
I've gotten the chance to play my cousin's Steam Deck for a couple of hours, and I've got to agree. Initially, I remember people being put off by how it looked, but man, maybe it's because I'm old at this point the thing, weight and all feels so much more comfortable than the flatness of the Switch. Buttons are huge, and the control sticks feel like actual high quality control sticks, it's great.
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It's kind of like using a hammer with an unsanded wooden handle before suddenly using a Wilton-branded Sledgehammer with a rubber grip. Different purposes, sure, but the difference in ergonomics makes a lot of difference and feels a lot better to use.

I'd honestly be fine if someone in the near future makes a Deck-Switch controller that makes joycon substitutes that feel like the Steam Deck controls.
 
Do we pretty much all agree that this will be before GDC then?

I suppose it doesn’t have to be and they don’t need GDC, but might as well reveal before a big industry gathering and get the ball rolling, right?
 
7hatDeadCat said:
i havent found any evidence for nvidia having any fab time scheduled with samsung. if anyone could find it then i would accept samsung still being on the table, but until then i have to consider tsmc the only option.
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They're going to continue manufacturing Ampere GPUs on Samsung's 8nm process for a while (they just announced a 6GB RTX 3050), and will produce Orin on Samsung 8nm for a long time after that. So if T239 were on Samsung 8nm, it would just be a continuation of their existing arrangement with Samsung.
 
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Thraktor said:
Speculating that the chip's manufactured on 8nm isn't alarmist. They're just basing it on what Kopite7kimi tweeted back in the day, and that's... fine. They're welcome to have whatever opinion they want, and it's not harming anyone to speculate about something which may end up being wrong..
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They never actually said anything about node btw, you can just infer it through other things they said.

It's just the reasoning itself isn't very solid imo. Saying the chip will be huge, and Nintendo will be tanking the clock speeds, because they're so concerned about battery life. The reasoning might have worked if it wasn't a custom soc, but the chip is the size it is because Nintendo decided it should be that size. If they were so concerned about battery life, they would have made a smaller chip so they didn't have to tank the clocks.

And as you're saying, you can't just lower the clocks forever. At some point, you tank efficiency.
 
Shoulder said:
So my prediction of March 20th for a reveal still holds up then? Awesome.



I just noticed looking at the IO in the back that it's using the Wii/Wii U PSU connector. Wonder how some folks interpreted that back in 2016.



So is that a Pro, or a Con?

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It's a wii U power supply to power the unit, it has no battery, I'm guessing they just had millions left over lol
I'm guessing the edges could be removed and joycon rails be attached to the sides
The wii plug for the classic controller pro no longer works (or supported rather) as far as I know, I could be wrong though
the ethernet was to connect to the network for debug, not for internet access for games and system

as far as 2016 I don't remember others reactions to that specifically ... but they used a similar looking plug on wii and wii U and so why not the next system? nost sure if it was as interesting as the HDMI port or the ethernet or those weird antenna prongs
 
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NintenDuvo said:
Now if we would could also get Andy Robinson, Eurogamer, or even Tom Warren to corroborate as well then i think we will be smooth sailing for March
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Tom Warren is probably too focused on the Xbox stuff right now (let's be honest, most industry discussion is revolving that right now), but we might see another stray journalist corroborate it... I hope at least.
 
Derachi said:
Anyone have a photoshop mock-up made of the new console using the dimensions we’ve got? I’d love to get an idea of the size compared to the existing Switch models
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For the "new" grip with new Joycons right? I'd be interested to see such a mockup of this, if no one here has made such a mockup yet.

Otherwise if you're referring to the Switch 2 body with those dimeonsions, we have some mockups. Mjayer made one

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If the NG is revealed in March then we're getting a two minute long trailer with epic music and panorama shots and then the last 15 seconds will show us the console.
 
Derachi said:
Anyone have a photoshop mock-up made of the new console using the dimensions we’ve got? I’d love to get an idea of the size compared to the existing Switch models
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I'd accept even a paintbrush drawing, I have so much difficulty imagining size of stuff
 
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Thraktor said:
They're going to continue manufacturing Ampere GPUs on Samsung's 8nm process for a while (they just announced a 6GB RTX 3050), and will produce Orin on Samsung 8nm for a long time after that. So if T239 were on Samsung 8nm, it would just be a continuation of their existing arrangement with Samsung.
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to be fair, the 3050 6GB looks to be a repurposed laptop chip. Ampere isn't in production anymore outside of GA107s it seems, and that's probably low volume, much like Orin. I don't think Nvidia has much money invested in Samsung for capacity, unlike TSMC, whom was leaked to have placed orders for 3nm since summer last year
 
I'm going for March 4th almost 7 years to the day of the Switch launch. I don't expect to see it or any games more a press release that they plan to release new hardware later in 2024 and to look forward to them sharing more in June where we will see the console, the games, the name and concrete release date.
 
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Derachi said:
Anyone have a photoshop mock-up made of the new console using the dimensions we’ve got? I’d love to get an idea of the size compared to the existing Switch models
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