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Ars2439 said:
Adding cameras to the joycon would make them even more expensive
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Yeah, if the idea is to have a 6DoF controller (VR like) rather than it being just a Wii Remote (reliable pointer), then it can become very expensive. Meta has a self-tracked controller that uses 3 cameras for SLAM. Each controller has a Snapdragon 662, 1GB LPDDR4, 4GB eMMC, and a 2880mAh battery.

Personally, I won't be satisfied with just a better pointer (specially if it has a very limited FoV like the Wii Remote); I want a much better motion experience overall (Switch Sports, Mario Party, WarioWare, etc) and not just better aiming on Splatoon or Zelda. For that, we need SLAM, and that's not cheap to accomplish on the controller itself. Another point (that is subjective) is that I like to play with lights off, and if you're not using IR LEDs for the tracking, then lights must be on. On the other hand, self-tracked controllers have no occlusion problems, having the most reliable tracking. Well, even if they could pull that off (self-tracked joy-cons for a reasonable price) we would definitely lose body tracking in the process, but I would still still be happy getting next-gen motion controls. But I believe IR tracking is much cheaper and easy to accomplish, and plus we can have body tracking too. I'll be satisfied with either solution though.

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The only major concern I can see is the shape of the controller accessories, since the tablet would probably be docked around torso height at the highest. I assume that the "overhead" ring design that Oculus used prevailed since the cameras tracking them are above the controllers, but an "underhand" ring like what PSVR2 uses seems like it would eliminate that concern, if it is one at all.
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Maybe they could have a full circle on the front, so it would work great on both TV and VR modes

Just as an example, this one is from HP

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Nintendo could easily make something visually more appealing xD
 
I do wonder if Sony is facing increased pressure from their board on how they let Nintendo capitalize on the Japanese market and how to best retake that market. Not that I'm against it. I just don't have faith in them following through.

Microsoft has both the means and ambition to do it but their hardware doesn't exactly excite consumers the way other established brands do. If they could solve that stigma and pair it with the correct software -- anything is possible.

More sophisticated competition can only improve Nintendo at being Nintendo.
 
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RumHamRigRunner said:
Sony and Microsoft rumored to enter the handheld space makes me wonder if Valve is considering giving the home console space another go, perhaps under a moniker different from ‘Steam Machine’.

Could run something like an updated SteamOS 4 that includes the Proton compatibility layer that 3 already does. Different Steam Controller/support for many different controllers. Games can be optimized for it like Steam Deck and get ‘verified’ status on the store. The RDNA2 and RDNA3 APUs are already fairly decent in a desktop/mini PC context, imagine something using Zen 5/RDNA4 that is maybe closer to PS5 performance in a form factor similar to that of Series S.

Valve has the experience of making Steam Machines and the Steam Deck, one of which they were actually very successful with so I can’t imagine that wouldn’t at least revisit the idea of a dedicated SFF PC that has a console-like interface that you can play your Steam games on as plug and play as possible.
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Have you seen all the mini pcs that use a AMD 7840? That is what a new home console from Valve looks like. What they will need is a controller under their branding. Honestly I hope they just go with 8Bitdo or something as a partner.

As for SteamOS, it will be the same one that's on the Steam Deck - just one more hardware profile.
 
Any sort of tracking solution that requires the controllers to "see" the console, dock, or a "Sensor Bar" should realistically be off the table. It isn't 2006 anymore, people expect better.

This is also a hybrid system - the IR Motion Camera remains available in all three modes of Nintendo Switch. Improvements or iterations on it ought to follow the same. This device also solves the problem of having an IR emitter and receiver, or being able to play wiht the lights on or off- it emits and receives its own IR light. It can also track distance to the nearest object.

It can take a 2D image of a surface, compare it to the image it took the moment before, and detect the difference in distance between the two frames. That's pretty advanced stuff. We saw with Nintendo Labo VR Kit's elephant that in the right conditions it's also FAST. Improving on this, adding one to both controllers, or perhaps, having both controllers have two, and while it's not VR level full freedom controllers, it's a huge, huge improvement.

To oversimplify, a modern optical mouse flashes a light at a surface, takes a picture, then repeats this process a split second later, compares the two and calculates a vector in 2D space. The IR Motion Camera is theoretically capable of doing much the same, image the room around it, the person holding it, and/or the floor, take another image a moment later, compare the two (along with its depth information) to determine a vector in 3D space.

A second for accuracy, a gyrometer for more data, a magnetometer for autocalibration, and you've vastly improved the motion controls. More expensive than current Joy-Con, yes, but considering they fit one into a ~45$ package in 2017, fitting two modern ones into a ~55$ package today doesn't seem too absurd.
 
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Assuming the GPU is RDNA2, 18CUs would be 1152 FP32 cores (1/2 of PS5), or on RDNA3 which has twice the streaming processors per CU, 2304 FP32 cores, the same number as PS5.
Even on N4, which Ryzen 9000 is predicted to use, the GPU alone would be pretty big and with the size of modern x64 cores, I can't see this chip not being way too big and power hungry for a handheld form factor.
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Why N4? Wouldn't they choose something smaller, as by time this will be close to finish we would have smaller nodes right?
 
There are great arguments for Sony or MS handhelds that run x86 - sell once run on handheld too.

The arguments for Sony or MS switching to ARM or RISC-V aren't great. It's a break in solid backwards compatibility.

The end goal for both of them is cloud streaming. If they can make it happen, then it's a $150 console that comes with a controller and they sell $70 games (Sony) or a $15/month subscription (Microsoft) and they never have to sell you on another console - just games. The only time they have to sell you more controllers is when the old ones break.

If you have old controllers that work, they can even sell you the bare console for like $80.
 
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Sony may well offer a handheld that is comparable to the Steam Deck if they think that they can sell it with a healthy margin. I do think that simply the looks of the Steam Deck (which I won't criticize because the design is exceptionally geared towards comfort) hold it back at least a little. If they can produce sth like Valve but with more appeal + same/larger margins, they'll consider it. Won't matter for Nintendo one bit.

Also, I expect the NSW 2 to be weaker than the Steam Deck 1 in at least some categories, e.g. the CPU. And this will be more than understandable because the NSW 2 will also not cost more than 400€.
 
kasparov77 said:
If these sony/xbox handhelds are x86 like the steam deck and not ARM, then no we don't win - we LOSE.
That would lead to bigger fragmentation of cross platform libraries, why would a dev put on the extra effort of making a switch 2 port when they can just release the game on series S or base ps5 and have it work on sony's/MS' handhelds? (assuming ofc, seamless ports - which is btw the only way I see these handhelds working out).
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But on the contrary, being stuck with x86 leaves room for Nintendo to be a less compromised option, with thinner, more convenient designs and better battery life.
 
bmfrosty said:
So you're saying that Sony and Microsoft can't get wholly owned studios to update their games? I mean, of course Borderlands 2 would never come out on Vita, it's by a 3rd party, right?
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no, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not even following you anymore

my point is that this isn't a switch situation, it's the same deal companies are already doing when they port to Nintendo and when they make Series S versions, and we see how developers feel about Series S. devs can get around this by the PC-like common API, as you mentioned, but games will run poorly and/or these devices will consume a lot of power to run; or they can build for the lowest common denominator and scale the game up, and devs don't even do that now.

as Phawx says, Sony will have to force devs to make their PS5 games for it for this whole initiative to work
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
PSP was announced mid 2003 along with many of its specs. Nintendo started talking about a third pillar in late 2003. They clearly didn't just start on it when Sony started talking, but having something different ready within the same few days as PSP's launch was surely no coincidence.
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I've always been under the impression that DS was under development before the PSP was announced - possibly as just a straightforward replacement for the GBA. A 3D console with SNES controls that maybe had a touchscreen, with the idea that they adjusted plans after the PSP was announced. I have no idea if that's correct or not though.
 
Enton said:
Also, I expect the NSW 2 to be weaker than the Steam Deck 1 in at least some categories, e.g. the CPU. And this will be more than understandable because the NSW 2 will also not cost more than 400€.
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T239 has 8 CPU cores vs 4 CPU cores on Van Gogh.

So if Nintendo's new hardware is weaker than the Steam Deck in terms of the CPU performance, I think Nintendo's new hardware is only marginally weaker due to Nintendo probably having the 8 CPU cores on T239 running at a lower frequency (since the CPU frequency probably has to be the same in handheld mode and TV mode due to CPU scaling being more difficult compared to GPU scaling) in comparison to how Valve's allowing the 4 CPU cores on Van Gogh to run at higher frequencies (2.4 - 3.5 GHz).
 
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ILikeFeet said:
no, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm not even following you anymore

my point is that this isn't a switch situation, it's the same deal companies are already doing when they port to Nintendo and when they make Series S versions, and we see how developers feel about Series S. devs can get around this by the PC-like common API, as you mentioned, but games will run poorly and/or these devices will consume a lot of power to run; or they can build for the lowest common denominator and scale the game up, and devs don't even do that now.

as Phawx says, Sony will have to force devs to make their PS5 games for it for this whole initiative to work
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You often remind you why you're the guy I keep putting on ignore and then soften on a few months later.

Devs mostly have problems with Series S about the amount of RAM if their game really needs it - 10GB shared between CPU and GPU (yes, I know it's the same chip) isn't much when it's hard to buy a PC with less than 16 and PCs are more likely to have a dedicated GPU with it's own RAM. Less about the CPU or GPU, except in cases where their baseline on PC is higher than what the Series S provides.

All they need to do is include 16 and they're golden for most games. Stick it at 10, and then they're still fine if it's Microsoft because that's the baseline anyway for them.
 
Dakhil said:
T239 has 8 CPU cores vs 4 CPU cores on Van Gogh.

So if Nintendo's new hardware is weaker than the Steam Deck in terms of the CPU performance, I think Nintendo's new hardware is only marginally weaker due to Nintendo probably having the 8 CPU cores on T239 running at a lower frequency (since the CPU frequency probably has to be the same in handheld mode and TV mode due to CPU scaling being more difficult compared to GPU scaling) in comparison to how Valve's allowing the 4 CPU cores on Van Gogh to run at higher frequencies (2.4 - 3.5 GHz).
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I have a question. So what about the Van Gogh threading? How much processing power is that? How much would it compare to one core of the T239? I always wonder about that. So the current gen have 8 core 16 threads. Would that mean double (just assume if it was the same power wise core to core)?
 
monkeygotyou said:


Nintendo Prime claiming to have an exclusive source separate from the guy who posted on the direct thread who is saying the same GameStop stuff.

Not my place to say whether its true, but thought I'd share
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While I think he's right, now I would very much like the reveal to be in April just to prove him wrong.
 
monkeygotyou said:


Nintendo Prime claiming to have an exclusive source separate from the guy who posted on the direct thread who is saying the same GameStop stuff.

Not my place to say whether its true, but thought I'd share
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As soon as next week and as late as end of March... March being the timeline I said last year following Gamescom.

It covers too wide of a range and feels that the source is hedging bets on an unannounced Direct, investor report and then using the FY ending (and maybe even my info) to give a window of expectation.
 
monkeygotyou said:


Nintendo Prime claiming to have an exclusive source separate from the guy who posted on the direct thread who is saying the same GameStop stuff.

Not my place to say whether its true, but thought I'd share
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@Dark Cloud your famous in that screenshot LMFAO

I was going to post about this. I think he knows the hate he gets online with his news, so maybe a source has actually reached out to him. For his sake I hope he is right but ,he kind of changed his news during conversation.

“Reveal will be in a week”

“Could be in a month”

So I believe he has covered his tracks kinda lol

But , the internet isn’t silly, everyone is saying March at this point… sooooo
 
monkeygotyou said:


Nintendo Prime claiming to have an exclusive source separate from the guy who posted on the direct thread who is saying the same GameStop stuff.

Not my place to say whether its true, but thought I'd share
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The annoying thing is that NintendoPrime is big enough for a legitimate source to actually reach out to him, but that relies on a big "maybe" that could happen.

Yes things are aligning and two sources saying the same thing is slowly stepping into "It's happening" territory, but how are we to believe it?

Jesus Christ, the schrodinger's cat somehow surpassed quantum superstates and is now glitching around the universe. Can someone open the box? Please?
 
Andre3333456 said:
Pyoro would kill Nintendo prime with a chainsaw.
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At this point the entire discussion has just turned into this:
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So like... two people are claiming the GameSpot theory separately which, unless they're the same person, means that two people are either falsely claiming or truthfully saying something about their activities, meanwhile billbill-kun is hinting towards a Nintendo Direct with an indie game and maybe a Metroidvania title that's not really known... uhh Nate has his own information about the direct and doesn't know the date but does know the format, meanwhile Nick claimed to think there was a direct this month but stepped down once he realized that people were interpreting that "He knew" when he was just saying "it happens every Feb" which is the same stance that Grubb has... meanwhile Famiboards has worked out that Feb 7th or 8th is the "Now or never" point for a Nintendo Direct through the Sales and Q3 results report on the 6th...

Am I missing something here? This is a lot of shit to remember.
 
bmfrosty said:
Devs mostly have problems with Series S about the amount of RAM if their game really needs it - 10GB shared between CPU and GPU (yes, I know it's the same chip) isn't much when it's hard to buy a PC with less than 16 and PCs are more likely to have a dedicated GPU with it's own RAM. Less about the CPU or GPU, except in cases where their baseline on PC is higher than what the Series S provides.

All they need to do is include 16 and they're golden for most games. Stick it at 10, and then they're still fine if it's Microsoft because that's the baseline anyway for them.
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having 16GB is all fine and dandy, but will the device be able to feed the hardware fast enough? maybe LPDDR6 can and through expensive packaging to bring the memory closer.

the point is, a PS5 Portable is, for all intents and purposes, not far off from what Drake will be, with similar work put into it. that's not worth the effort to Sony, I think

bmfrosty said:
You often remind you why you're the guy I keep putting on ignore and then soften on a few months later.
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This may have already been posted but there is a DLL replacement mod that injects FSR3 AFMF on top of DLSS upscaling allowing for a sort of DLSS frame generation on Ampere and Turing. Would be cool to see developers implement their own version of this for NX2 but doing that would probably breach Nvidia's DLSS license. (thought that may not apply if it's part of
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monkeygotyou said:


Nintendo Prime claiming to have an exclusive source separate from the guy who posted on the direct thread who is saying the same GameStop stuff.

Not my place to say whether its true, but thought I'd share
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"I wasn't going to make a video on this if it just ended there, because that's just hearsay"

It's kind of funny he says this considering I successfully baited him a few years ago with a fake leak I made for a Switch Pro lmao. I know we all know he's lying out his ass here but it's even extra funny to me that he still clings onto the tiniest of rumors/news no matter how fake they might sound just for content lol.
 
For an extended post that is condescending and aggressive throughout, you have been threadbanned for one month. -xghost777, Tangerine Cookie, Barely Able, mariodk18
Well, Well… Lots to take in because I’ve not posted in here for quite a while, and wasn’t sure if I would again after the grief I copped on what was a shameful day on here. So, I guess this is a “Talk My Shit” post, with some occasional sass. A word vomit, and me speaking to my observations of the current state of affairs, while figuring out where I’m at currently. How’s that successor been, by the way? What do you mean “you’re none the wiser” yet? Let’s examine the receipts. Well, they aren’t mere receipts, or even a bank statement. We’re in transaction history territory at this point…

▫️ No DF/EuroGamer reveal at this point… ✅
▫️ Switch successor still doesn’t have a confirmed name… ✅
▫️ No official acknowledgment of a successor from Nintendo or Nvidia at this point… ✅
▫️ No leaks from manufacturing companies… ✅
▫️ Switch titles still have unconfirmed release dates… ✅
▫️ No further official word from the horse’s mouth or publishers about the successor’s power bracket… ✅
▫️ 16GB RAM isn’t “overly optimistic” now that Nate, Necro, and selected Internet “Influencers” (Never mind official social media accounts!!) tell people what to think… ✅
▫️ Is Yours Truly still on track and on point? ✅
▫️ Would everybody do well to listen to their angelic dyspraxic friends once in a while? ✅
▫️ Is it time to get my petty on, and let the choppers sing? 🔜 Not quite, but you’re dead right I’ve got my tune prepared, and let me tell you, no birds were involved in the musicianship… 🙄😏

Are we already in February 2024 without a Switch successor announcement? Happy New Year to the lurkers who don’t post, by the way (Is it still “New”, even? January was a long year, so they say…), and Welcome Back, Old Pucker… I’ve been one of you (lurkers) since this past November, when I said that it wouldn’t release in the first half of the year for logical reasons, and that Late 2024 (Not before October) was the earliest most probable release date - PS5 Pro rumours are wholly irrelevant to this, just like the Base Edition for the entirety of its generation. It turned out that Investor Meetings really AREN’T Directs, that there were more questions about their hit movie, that one still has to follow the software, and one doesn’t need a rumour mill to find a semblance of a clue after all… So, Yeah… Late 2024 at the earliest, and Spring 2025 isn’t off the table, should developers need more time. Still, we can never understate or underestimate the impact of a pandemic (which isn’t over), no matter how much politicians of certain persuasions want to assure us it is.

So, Where does a successor need to be, both to achieve growth on current success, and to be fit for a generational purpose?

▫️ 16GB RAM (LPDDR5. I’m less concerned about whether it’s 5 or 5X than others, and suspect it’ll be fine. But I’ve made the case for it since 2022, and was the first one on here to do so… I got shouted down quite a few times for making wholly reasonable points, rather than ones based on rumour mills and nebulous hope. That’s BEFORE getting to the fact that contemporary portables have this, phones will, too, and neither Nintendo nor Nvidia are oblivious to this…)

▫️ UFS 3.0 or above (128GB or 256GB most probable, 512GB not unthinkable - I pointed out that this was pre-pandemic tech, still quick, and with room to be better than that)

▫️ 660MHz portable (cited on here), 1.38GHz home (cited on here - I don’t believe it’s a stress test considering what Nintendo actually did on the Switch in 2017, under much worse conditions. Then there’s the fact that Nintendo hasn’t prioritised higher battery life since the DS Lite outside of revisions, only a satisfactory point - Existing Switch titles could probably get a battery life performance boost, too, but I suspect that the words “Up To” will do a lot of work there…)

▫️ A78C octa-core CPU @ 2GHZ+ (2.2GHz, if precise - that puts the clock speed in the same ~62% bracket as its predecessor relative to the PS4, while not falling short or wasting its potential. Single-cluster design choice also has advantages in power consumption and performance).

▫️5nm lithography process (Nvidia has a custom production line for it. Lovelace starts from there, and it’s been known that the SoC was developed alongside Lovelace products since 2021. “But Angel, it’s Ampere!!” - Stop. It clearly has Lovelace elements, too, and will most probably launch on the same lithograph. It’s a CUSTOM chip, meaning it’s its own thing. I’ll call it Amperada…).

▫️Cosmetic 4K support (XB1/PS4 games should hit that easily enough, but I suspect “Up To” will do some heavy lifting once more, and PS5/XS games would be mostly 1080-1440p after DLSS)

▫️Unconvinced of a 120hz screen, BUT believe any 120FPS mode would be in home mode only, anyway. However, I suspect that most will take this trade-off for the “play anywhere” experience.

▫️$399/€399/£349 (I never believed in a “Switch Pro” because there were logical reasons why it was never going to happen. However, When the OLED Model launched, I felt that one motivation for it was to get the userbase prepared for the idea of a $399 Nintendo console).

What gimmick will it have? I’ve thought for some time that the stylus could make a comeback because we still have the DS and 3DS libraries, AND games such as Art Academy still to make an appearance. Think among the lines of the Galaxy Note/S2x Ultra S-Pen, and you have a familiar, but handy gimmick and point-and-click option with motion controls, or even an alternative keyboard and mouse option if used with a single Joy-Con. I would imagine it comes with the system in an integrated silo, same as the Wii U, DS and 3DS. Also, it could be something you could use to sign off a digital purchase, navigate the eShop, etc… I can definitely see something like that in the future, but it would be reformed to work with capacitive screens, instead of the resistive ones if the DS and 3DS.

I feel the above is realistic for an industry-leading portable platform releasing in 2024 and beyond, and I also wouldn’t be surprised if GTA6 appears. I believe Nintendo wants that game on their console, and that they will endeavour to deliver on that goal. I also believe that RDR2 is a formality, and RDR3 is the aspiration. However, the hardware choices above are the difference between a confident certainty, being embarrassingly late to the party on the successor’s successor, much like they were with Minecraft, Fortnite, Rocket League, etc., and turning a 140m+ hit into one that can push closer to 200m, or, at least, eclipse the PS2’s lifetime sales with ease. I’ve been shot down for daring to expect something better in a speculation thread, but nothing I wrote on here was based on a nebulous hope, and I’ve always said if it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t happen. That’s life. But you know what else didn’t happen? “Switch Pro” didn’t happen. No successor was announced or released in 2023, and while we’re at it, we can stick a fork in H1 2024 because that, too, is done. So, I guess that’s where I’m at, and so far, almost everything I’ve said has played out in real time. However, I’m no industry insider, and I don’t actually follow many people in it on the socials. I wasn’t sure if I would post here again, but I guess it’ll be easier now I’ve lost count of how many people I’ve had to block just to feel safe and comfortable. Not sure, but we’ll see how it goes this time around. Anyhoo, I said what I said, and if anybody takes issue with a fellow user speculating in a speculation thread, feel free to reciprocate the Ignore - I did say this was a word vomit and “talk my shit” post. If you enjoyed my insights and previous posts, I’m still on the socials. Feel free to follow me there. Whatever. As You Were. 💕✨
 
CeramicPigeon said:
"I wasn't going to make a video on this if it just ended there, because that's just hearsay"

It's kind of funny he says this considering I successfully baited him a few years ago with a fake leak I made for a Switch Pro lmao. I know we all know he's lying out his ass here but it's even extra funny to me that he still clings onto the tiniest of rumors/news no matter how fake they might sound just for content lol.
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I can actually say that's even funnier considering he made a video on the rumors I posted a long while ago. I wrote in my original discord messages (including the fact they're shown in his video) that they were just things I heard and can't confirm.

Lol. Fucking. Lmao.

If he genuinely has a source this time, cool I guess, but I am not taking a word from that man's mouth seriously until it's proven outright.
 
Angel Whispers said:
Well, Well… Lots to take in because I’ve not posted in here for quite a while, and wasn’t sure if I would again after the grief I copped on what was a shameful day on here. So, I guess this is a “Talk My Shit” post, with some occasional sass. A word vomit, and me speaking to my observations of the current state of affairs, while figuring out where I’m at currently. How’s that successor been, by the way? What do you mean “you’re none the wiser” yet? Let’s examine the receipts. Well, they aren’t mere receipts, or even a bank statement. We’re in transaction history territory at this point…

▫️ No DF/EuroGamer reveal at this point… ✅
▫️ Switch successor still doesn’t have a confirmed name… ✅
▫️ No official acknowledgment of a successor from Nintendo or Nvidia at this point… ✅
▫️ No leaks from manufacturing companies… ✅
▫️ Switch titles still have unconfirmed release dates… ✅
▫️ No further official word from the horse’s mouth or publishers about the successor’s power bracket… ✅
▫️ 16GB RAM isn’t “overly optimistic” now that Nate, Necro, and selected Internet “Influencers” (Never mind official social media accounts!!) tell people what to think… ✅
▫️ Is Yours Truly still on track and on point? ✅
▫️ Would everybody do well to listen to their angelic dyspraxic friends once in a while? ✅
▫️ Is it time to get my petty on, and let the choppers sing? 🔜 Not quite, but you’re dead right I’ve got my tune prepared, and let me tell you, no birds were involved in the musicianship… 🙄😏

Are we already in February 2024 without a Switch successor announcement? Happy New Year to the lurkers who don’t post, by the way (Is it still “New”, even? January was a long year, so they say…), and Welcome Back, Old Pucker… I’ve been one of you (lurkers) since this past November, when I said that it wouldn’t release in the first half of the year for logical reasons, and that Late 2024 (Not before October) was the earliest most probable release date - PS5 Pro rumours are wholly irrelevant to this, just like the Base Edition for the entirety of its generation. It turned out that Investor Meetings really AREN’T Directs, that there were more questions about their hit movie, that one still has to follow the software, and one doesn’t need a rumour mill to find a semblance of a clue after all… So, Yeah… Late 2024 at the earliest, and Spring 2025 isn’t off the table, should developers need more time. Still, we can never understate or underestimate the impact of a pandemic (which isn’t over), no matter how much politicians of certain persuasions want to assure us it is.

So, Where does a successor need to be, both to achieve growth on current success, and to be fit for a generational purpose?

▫️ 16GB RAM (LPDDR5. I’m less concerned about this than others, and suspect it’ll be fine. But I’ve made the case for it since 2022, and was the first one on here to do so… I got shouted down quite a few times for making wholly reasonable points, rather than ones based on rumour mills and nebulous hope. That’s BEFORE getting to the fact that contemporary portables have this, phones will, too, and neither Nintendo nor Nvidia are oblivious to this…)

▫️ UFS 3.0 or above (128GB or 256GB most probable, 512GB not unthinkable - I pointed out that this was pre-pandemic tech, still quick, and with room to be better than that)

▫️ 660MHz portable (cited on here), 1.38GHz home (cited on here - I don’t believe it’s a stress test considering what Nintendo actually did on the Switch in 2017, under much worse conditions. Then there’s the fact that Nintendo hasn’t prioritised higher battery life since the DS Lite outside of revisions, only a satisfactory point - Existing Switch titles could probably get a battery life performance boost, too, but I suspect that the words “Up To” will do a lot of work there…)

▫️ A78C octa-core CPU @ 2GHZ+ (2.2GHz, if precise - that puts the clock speed in the same ~62% bracket as its predecessor relative to the PS4, while not falling short or wasting its potential. Single-cluster design choice also has advantages in power consumption and performance).

▫️5nm lithography process (Nvidia has a custom production line for it. Lovelace starts from there, and it’s been known that the SoC was developed alongside Lovelace products since 2021. “But Angel, it’s Ampere!!” - Stop. It clearly has Lovelace elements, too, and will most probably launch on the same lithograph. It’s a CUSTOM chip, meaning it’s its own thing. I’ll call it Amperada…).

▫️Cosmetic 4K support (XB1/PS4 games should hit that easily enough, but I suspect “Up To” will do some heavy lifting once more, and PS5/XS games would be mostly 1080-1440p after DLSS)

▫️Unconvinced of a 120hz screen, BUT believe any 120FPS mode would be in home mode only, anyway. However, I suspect that most will take this trade-off for the “play anywhere” experience.

▫️$399/€399/£349 (I never believed in a “Switch Pro” because there were logical reasons why it was never going to happen. However, When the OLED Model launched, I felt that one motivation for it was to get the userbase prepared for the idea of a $399 Nintendo console).

What gimmick will it have? I’ve thought for some time that the stylus could make a comeback because we still have the DS and 3DS libraries, AND games such as Art Academy still to make an appearance. Think among the lines of the Galaxy Note/S2x Ultra S-Pen, and you have a familiar, but handy gimmick and point-and-click option with motion controls, or even an alternative keyboard and mouse option if used with a single Joy-Con. I would imagine it comes with the system in an integrated silo, same as the Wii U, DS and 3DS. Also, it could be something you could use to sign off a digital purchase, navigate the eShop, etc… I can definitely see something like that in the future, but it would be reformed to work with capacitive screens, instead of the resistive ones if the DS and 3DS.

I feel the above is realistic for an industry-leading portable platform releasing in 2024 and beyond, and I also wouldn’t be surprised if GTA6 appears. I believe Nintendo wants that game on their console, and that they will endeavour to deliver on that goal. I also believe that RDR2 is a formality, and RDR3 is the aspiration. However, the hardware choices above are the difference between a confident certainty, being embarrassingly late to the party on the successor’s successor, much like they were with Minecraft, Fortnite, Rocket League, etc., and turning a 140m+ hit into one that can push closer to 200m, or, at least, eclipse the PS2’s lifetime sales with ease. I’ve been shot down for daring to expect something better in a speculation thread, but nothing I wrote on here was based on a nebulous hope, and I’ve always said if it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t happen. That’s life. But you know what else didn’t happen? “Switch Pro” didn’t happen. No successor was announced or released in 2023, and while we’re at it, we can stick a fork in H1 2024 because that, too, is done. So, I guess that’s where I’m at, and so far, almost everything I’ve said has played out in real time. However, I’m no industry insider, and I don’t actually follow many people in it on the socials. I wasn’t sure if I would post here again, but I guess it’ll be easier now I’ve lost count of how many people I’ve had to block just to feel safe and comfortable. Not sure, but we’ll see how it goes this time around. Anyhoo, I said what I said, and if anybody takes issue with a fellow user speculating in a speculation thread, feel free to reciprocate the Ignore - I did say this was a word vomit and “talk my shit” post. If you enjoyed my insights and previous posts, I’m still on the socials. Feel free to follow me there. Whatever. As You Were. 💕✨
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collapse the post please omg
 
Angel Whispers said:
Anyhoo, I said what I said, and if anybody takes issue with a fellow user speculating in a speculation thread, feel free to reciprocate the Ignore - I did say this was a word vomit and “talk my shit” post. 💕✨
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Respectfully, as someone who has never replied to your posts before but has certainly seen them, there is a big difference between contributing to speculation and being an egregiously pompous ass about it. You're kinda falling into the latter with posts like these if I'm being honest. I don't think anyone would mind your contributions all that much otherwise.
 
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At this point the entire discussion has just turned into this:
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So like... two people are claiming the GameSpot theory separately which, unless they're the same person, means that two people are either falsely claiming or truthfully saying something about their activities, meanwhile billbill-kun is hinting towards a Nintendo Direct with an indie game and maybe a Metroidvania title that's not really known... uhh Nate has his own information about the direct and doesn't know the date but does know the format, meanwhile Nick claimed to think there was a direct this month but stepped down once he realized that people were interpreting that "He knew" when he was just saying "it happens every Feb" which is the same stance that Grubb has... meanwhile Famiboards has worked out that Feb 7th or 8th is the "Now or never" point for a Nintendo Direct through the Sales and Q3 results report on the 6th...

Am I missing something here? This is a lot of shit to remember.
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Yeah it's a mess re: Gamestop

12 days ago, a YTer mentioned he had convo with a Gamestop employee that explicitly said he can neither confirm nor deny Gamestop corp told retail to get ready for Switch 2 preorders. YTer of course took "neither confirm nor deny" as proof it's happening (saying employee gave body language like wink wink)

11 days ago, well known thief of rumors mentioned the above YTer.

Today, in our own Fami Direct thread, someone mentioned the Discord chatter.

I asked if s/he was sure this was new rumor, it's not the rumor shared 11 days ago propagating around. S/he isn't aware Gamestop rumor first came out, but "from his/her understanding it's a verified Gamestop employee in the Discord chatter" which doesn't really give any confidence it's a separate source.

Then of course, the same thief of rumors took that Fami mention, ran off to create new YT content today. And also conveniently not including the discussion where I questioned that the Discord chatter might simply be rehashing the Gamestop rumor brought 12 days ago, pretending it's new source of Gamestop rumor. For all we know, this could have been YTer #1 -> YTer #2 -> Discord chatter -> Fami -> YTer #2.
 
darthdiablo said:
Yeah it's a mess re: Gamestop

12 days ago, a YTer mentioned he had convo with a Gamestop employee that explicitly said he can neither confirm nor deny Gamestop corp told retail to get ready for Switch 2 preorders. YTer of course took "neither confirm nor deny" as proof it's happening (saying employee gave body language like wink wink)

11 days ago, well known thief of rumors mentioned the above YTer.

Today, in our own Fami Direct thread, someone mentioned the Discord chatter.

I asked if s/he was sure this was new rumor, it's not the rumor shared 11 days ago propagating around. S/he isn't aware Gamestop rumor first came out, but "from his/her understanding it's a verified Gamestop employee in the Discord chatter" which doesn't really give any confidence it's a separate source.

Then of course, the same thief of rumors took that Fami mention, ran off to create new YT content today. And also conveniently not including the discussion where I questioned that the Discord chatter might simply be rehashing the Gamestop rumor brought 12 days ago, pretending it's new source of Gamestop rumor. For all we know, this could have been YTer #1 -> YTer #2 -> Discord chatter -> Fami -> YTer #2.
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Yeah that is a big mess. There's all the chance in the world that it isn't a bunch of nonsense, but it's not reliable.

I mean we have gone past the point of reliable when even the people we trust don't really know much, but this isn't exactly "credible" of a look. This is more something that works as a corollary to a credible leak rather than something credible in it's own right. By itself... yeah not really worth thinking about too much, but whatever burns a few more hours.
 
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