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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

We’ve definitely had public tech demos during showcases that the final hardware doesn’t live up to, but do we really have any insights to this type of behind closed doors demo?

The purpose is different and the public may never see these.
it could be a demo for what they are aiming for but if they will get to that level is still up in the air like they might not be able to do everything from the demo unit the final version might be close tho they might need to cut down or downsize the tech in the final hardware if they need to for some reason. So yeah the tech demo shouldnt be 100% what we should expect but could be close
 
this tech demos represent a work in progress for the console, it specs can change before thr console launch, in a way they are not a final representation of Switch sucessor final graphical/techinal specs

it could be a demo for what they are aiming for but if they will get to that level is still up in the air like they might not be able to do everything from the demo unit the final version might be close tho they might need to cut down or downsize the tech in the final hardware if they need to for some reason. So yeah the tech demo shouldnt be 100% what we should expect but could be close

So in short, you believe that the intent to match these results is there. And that Nintendo believes this is what their hardware will be able to do for developers. The skepticism is just around “it’s not in my hands so things can change.”

There’s only 6-12 months left. What else can change?
 
this tech demos represent a work in progress for the console, it specs can change before thr console launch, in a way they are not a final representation of Switch sucessor final graphical/techinal specs
I feel like you're thinking about what an early console pitch would be to internal members of Nintendo and this is not that type of scenario
 
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Where do you expect Nvidia branding? I could see the Switch 2 bootup animation having a little "powered by Nvidia" logo.


It would be cool to see it in the name, like Switch RTX. That said, maybe just a sticker like the Gamecube.


Current PS4 and Xbox One emulation is still fairly rudimentary even a decade after the systems' releases. Barring some kind of Switch V1 hardware fuckup, I think there's real potential for Switch 2 to be mostly emulation-proof.


I hope so. I'm not against emulation, but I don't want DRM breaking my Switch 2 carts.
 
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Current PS4 and Xbox One emulation is still fairly rudimentary even a decade after the systems launched. Barring some kind of Switch V1 hardware fuckup, I think there's real potential for Switch 2 to be mostly emulation-proof.
Tbf that's probably a lack of interest more than anything
 
But until they give even one single indication that such work either is or will be transferrable to the consumer product line, I have no reason to care, in contrast to Nvidia and Intel, who are all too eager to take work in one field and immediately re-purpose it in another.
If you don’t care, then this is a pointless discussion. :p
 
But Nvida has failed to produce good ARM CPUs. I guess unlimited AI money has been spent on that front? Or we could see Nvidia producing socs using ARM reference designs for the PC market?
Nvidia will be using reference designs like they're doing now.

In that video DF says one of the reason that Series S don't have more Ray tracing games is the small 10 GB memory. If switch 2 have 12 or 16 GB, maybe it can have more ray traced games than Series S in the end.
now that some studios are moving to exclusive RT, I think we'll be seeing optimized RT for Series S and, subsequently, Drake. if you carve out space for RT first, you'll have an easier time fitting things in (though it'll be at the expense of something else, like texture quality)
 
URGH… They won’t release something worse than what they’ve demoed to developers and prospective partners - That would lead to projects being cancelled after they were bankrolled, lots of distrust, developer dissent, and negative momentum. These are some of the things the Wii U experienced, and it’s wild that it still isn’t fully understood on here how critical that was, and how much Nintendo doesn’t want another situation like that ever again. Having worked real hard to get their partners on board, the scale of damage still isn’t understood on here. For those reasons and more, everything we’ve heard so far is rather the basement, and neither the ceiling nor the ground floor for expectation. Stop this.
 
The emulation scene is one thing, eventually there will be a way to emulate the Switch 2, even if it takes over a decade. What I’m interested in is whether the Switch 2 can be extensively homebrewed, as the Switch‘s RCM exploit was such a huge mistake that Nintendo definitely doesn’t want to repeat. The only way to even hack the current Mariko units is to hardmod them, turning away a lot of people interested in homebrew. Even if there is a way to get into the Switch 2, you already know Nintendo will ramp up telemetry to scare people with potential bans, especially since Nintendo accounts will carry over. This Switch 2 might just be jailbreak-proof, or at the very least unfavorable to jailbreak.
 
I have done some personal benchmarks using GeForce Now, and I think it's higher than that, in fact. Huge grain of salt, but I think 10ms+ is a more accurate baseline.

Wait, really? I remember Alex from DF getting 10.3ms, but that was on an Orin chip from over two years ago that had only two-thirds the cores of T239 and was manufactured on Samsung 8nm - shouldn't Switch 2 be improved over that?
 
Naive math? Yeah, if Drake is 6x faster across the board (CPU and GPU), then yeah, Switch 30fps becomes Drake 180fps - or 5.5ms per frame

But we also don't know what base resolution was used in that demo. Nintendo isn't stuck using the 900p that the game rendered at on Switch, they could bump it down to 720p. That's another ~20% more performance .

Also, it's possible to run tensor core load, shader load, and RT load simultaneously. For a one-frame latency cost, DLSS can be upscaling a buffered frame, while the game engine goes on to begin working on the next frame. This means anything less than 16.6ms is at least potentially manageable, though you wouldn't want to do it on a fighting game, or a rhythm game, where latency is a Really Big Deal.
Follow-up question: I assume this won't be on the Switch 2, but would it theoretically be possible for a future Hybrid/dockable system to have extra Tensor cores on the dock itself specifically for the purpose of just DLAA upscaling that would be applied after it gets the image data from the console but before it sends that image data to the TV?
 
Seems supermetaldave released another video saying that nvidia is already using the t239 in one of their products.

edit: spelling

why are we posting super metal dave?

are we really that deep into the abyss?

is this what hell feels like?

no fire, just an infinite desire for finality that never sated
 
When do guys think Switch 2 will enter mass production?

I think Q2 2024 for a Q3 lanuch or Q1 2024 for a Q2 launch.
It's supposed to start about a month from now in December if some reports are to be believed. I don't wanna ping Necrolipe but he's written about it in the past.
 
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Where do you expect Nvidia branding? I could see the Switch 2 bootup animation having a little "powered by Nvidia" logo.
The box or console shell if it is there at all. There is no reason for Nintendo to include nvidia branding unless it was stipulated that they need to via contract. And i don't think nvidia is that vain to require it. They are killing it and don't need the brand exposure unlike ATi back during the Wii era.
I frankly don't think they will.
 
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People, this is just a joke by Redd. The reason why he's putting in spoilers is because the next iteration of that famous company product is rumored to require X amount of a* performance. But that's not something public and hence why he isn't publicly saying it.

It's just a funny remark that the chip does meet the requirement. But it doesn't mean it will be used for it.
 
Is he reliable or not?
He isn't. Really, everything you need to know about T239 is available in this thread. Youtubers, most of the time, know nothing that we don't and are a waste of time. They only serve to generate pointless discussion.

Any worthwhile information about T239 will be, usually, posted and analyzed first in this thread. So take a seat and keep an eye.
 
This is only speculation derived from more speculation, and the Switch 2 having 1.1 GHz clocks isn't particularly hard-hitting speculation either. The only reason it was placed in hidden quotes is to bait out anyone looking to make clickbait headlines.

Edit: @Ghostsonplanets beat me to it
That's why I want a better source (if there was one), and it is a big deal because it's the only aspect of the hardware anyone is yet to confirm at all. The final piece to determine how powerful this console is really going to be.
 
That's why I want a better source, and it is a big deal because it's the only aspect of the hardware anyone is yet to confirm at all. The final piece to determine how powerful this console is really going to be.
A proper source on Switch 2 clocks would definitely be welcome, it's just that this particular line of speculation isn't coming from any source and we shouldn't expect anything to come of it.
 
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People, this is just a joke by Redd. The reason why he's putting in spoilers is because the next iteration of that famous company product is rumored to require X amount of a* performance. But that's not something public and hence why he isn't publicly saying it.

It's just a funny remark that the chip does meet the requirement. But it doesn't mean it will be used for it.
common raccoon L
 
That's why I want a better source (if there was one), and it is a big deal because it's the only aspect of the hardware anyone is yet to confirm at all. The final piece to determine how powerful this console is really going to be.
Again, it's just a funny remark that, if it's clocked as high as Thraktor predicted, it meets the performance requirement. He isn't saying these are the clocks or anything. What's he saying doesn't even has anything to do with the SoC, really.
 
Again, it's just a funny remark that, if it's clocked as high as Thraktor predicted, it meets the performance requirement. He isn't saying these are the clocks or anything. What's he saying doesn't even has anything to do with the SoC, really.
That's a pretty good thing, still. At least it does confirm his speculation is truly spot on and is pretty much rated to go this high without issue, if they wanted of course.
 
I've been informed by my sources several times before and after Gamescom that RT will be a common thing on Switch NG

They can choice to not use in the portable mode to avoid performance issues on certain titles? YES
But the consensus is: Works well, we'll use. (applies to both DLSS and RR too)
Will Nintendo themselves be using raytracing in their games?
 
That's a pretty good thing, still. At least it does confirm his speculation is truly spot on and is pretty much rated to go this high without issue, if they wanted of course.
Yes. Due to Thraktor analysis being grounded on real T234 power curve data and node analysis, it's bound to be a pretty reliable estimate.

Nintendo and Nvidia just need to manufacture T239 on TSMC 4N and they can hit it without power draw or heat issues.
 
Wow, a SuperMetalDave video about a single line in a documentation page, which was added by accident in April 2022 and was removed by October 2022, and which we already found and discussed in February! I'm sure he won't draw any unfounded conclusions and it won't lead to any unhinged posting in this thread.
 
Wow, a SuperMetalDave video about a single line in a documentation page, which was added by accident in April 2022 and was removed by October 2022, and which we already found and discussed in February! I'm sure he won't draw any unfounded conclusions and it won't lead to any unhinged posting in this thread.
It's funny seeing YTubers scrapping the bottom of the barrel for stuff that was discussed nearly a 1+ year ago here🤣.

While saying this, I would also like to remember everyone that this thread has an amazing summary, made by the also amazing Dakhil, on the first page.
 
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