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ns156 said:
It's more me saying the illumination cartoony look is outright terrible, tbh. I certainly hope they do not start changing the games to look anything like that going forward.
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The Illumination Mario look is about as closest to the game design as one can be when it needs to become fully animated. That's just the reality of things. It feels bizarre because that's just never been how Mario has been animated before, because he and other Mario characters often feel like dolls when animated. their eyebrows have specific positions, whereas in the movie the eyebrows move fully like normal eyebrows would but that's because it would look weird otherwise.
 
Skittzo said:
I'm not saying absence of evidence is evidence of absence, I just mean I don't really personally see it happening. I'd think differently if there was a bit more chatter, sure, but that doesn't mean I think it HAS to leak or anything.
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We don't need any more chatter for another Switch, if you want to be floored with rumors and stuff I understand why... But leakers really don't have much to report this time, think about it. It's not a paradigm shift like the original Switch or another goofy system like the Wii, it's a Switch 2. What else do you really need? If anything, the fact the only thing we need to know at this point are clocks and release date is a sign we already have too many leaks.
 
Every console maker will be all digital in the future, the only unknown is the time factor for this coming reality. Nintendo does have the highest percentage of people buying physical games, but i don't think that will in any major way change the trend of the industry in general. And due to what the trend of the industry is already it would be pretty weird for Nintendo not to release a digital only version already this console generation, not just to make more money from every game sold but also because a digital only version is a way to make the consumer base more adapted to the all digital future that is coming. They want to eventually reach the PC game reality where everyone playing PC games take it as a matter of fact that they just download a PC game with no physical games being available.
 
lemonfresh said:
im curious for digital only users how do you handle the storage space problems do you buy big sd cards or something?
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A 512GB MicroSD has been enough for me really, though to bring my library over to the next system I'm gonna need at least 2TB across internal and external storage to feel comfortable.
 
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LiC said:
It's still a diver feature that needs support built in to NVN2 and then to Nintendo's GFX library. So not everything should be assumed by default, or at least, it shouldn't have been prior to the confirmation of RR. That confirmation does indicate that Nintendo is interested in keeping up to date with new Nvidia features, but it still shouldn't be taken as an automatic/absolute thing.
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To me it just seems like a no brainer that Nintendo wants every feature upgrade the hardware can support (unless for whatever reason it woudnt benefit Drake specifically). One of the benefits of having an RTX card in your console.

But assumptions is famously the mother of all fuckups, so your right one shouldn't make to many.
 
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All evidence of a specific date or date range is circumstantial at best. I'm gonna remain totally agnostic on that front. All I'm confident of is that 2024 is like 95% certain. Obviously something could go wrong or they could shadow drop it tomorrow. But I'm sticking to my story.
 
Lancelot said:
We don't need any more chatter for another Switch, if you want to be floored with rumors and stuff I understand why... But leakers really don't have much to report this time, think about it. It's not a paradigm shift like the original Switch or another goofy system like the Wii, it's a Switch 2. What else do you really need? If anything, the fact the only thing we need to know at this point are clocks and release date is a sign we already have too many leaks.
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Yeah Nintendo is playing it smart. We don’t need some gimmicky controls. We don’t need to do something that could hurt the Switch 2. We just need a more powerful Switch. You can add some features here or there that won’t impact the sales of the overall system.
 
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Lancelot said:
We don't need any more chatter for another Switch, if you want to be floored with rumors and stuff I understand why... But leakers really don't have much to report this time, think about it. It's not a paradigm shift like the original Switch or another goofy system like the Wii, it's a Switch 2. What else do you really need? If anything, the fact the only thing we need to know at this point are clocks and release date is a sign we already have too many leaks.
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I'm not talking about chatter about the thing itself, I'm talking specifically about a supposedly imminent announcement. I personally don't think it's going to be announced this year, mainly because if it were I do believe we'd hear a bit more talk about a big announcement coming soon.

Am I saying that we need to be hearing that talk? No. I am saying that I personally would expect a bit more than what we have now regarding an imminent announcement and since we don't have really any rumors at all saying so, I believe it's probably not happening soon (i.e. by the middle of November).

I'd love to be wrong.
 
Machrider said:
Mario movie made $1.3 billion+ dollars at the box office.

No shit they're not a toy company.

I don't really think honesty they've been a "toy company" since like the 80s, what "toys" in the 90s had a freaking Silicon Graphics chipset in them, lol. When I was growing up I actually wished Nintendo would make toys, things like Mario/Zelda/Star Fox/etc. toys weren't that common by the mid-late 90s/early 2000s, I totally would've bought a shit-ton of Nintendo toys/merch if they had offered it back in those days, it simply wasn't a lot of it available.

They were a toy company in the 70s, that's a long, long time ago now.
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Movies are nice, but Nintendo likely makes more direct profit off one major AAA release than they did off of the Mario movie.
 
In terms of "Gimmicks", the most I can see is something like wireless streaming/casting to the dock. It feels like the logical next step, "Now you dont even have to get up to "Switch" when you play!".

I'm sure docking will still work the same for a seamless and lag free experience, but I think doing it like a chromecast could open up some possibilities.

It would be a cool way to get DS/3DS working for NSO, but I think and hope most devs will stick to single screen gameplay
 
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Skittzo said:
I'm not talking about chatter about the thing itself, I'm talking specifically about a supposedly imminent announcement. I personally don't think it's going to be announced this year, mainly because if it were I do believe we'd hear a bit more talk about a big announcement coming soon.

Am I saying that we need to be hearing that talk? No. I am saying that I personally would expect a bit more than what we have now regarding an imminent announcement and since we don't have really any rumors at all saying so, I believe it's probably not happening soon (i.e. by the middle of November).

I'd love to be wrong.
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Do you really expect to hear such an announcement from a leaker of sorts, even without manufacturing having started? That's simply not realistic at all with what we know, they're announcing this thing the moment it enters manufacturing to not get any more real leaks, you need to understand where the chatter you care so much about is from, leaks don't come out of thin air unless they're fake. Again, no leaker is realistically in the position of claiming such a thing unless it was literally an inside job and as a Japanese company, we're sure as hell not getting one of these, make your expectations with this in mind accordingly.
 
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kvetcha said:
Movies are nice, but Nintendo likely makes more direct profit off one major AAA release than they did off of the Mario movie.
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Yeah, for Nintendo i think the major objective of their movie business is to increase Nintendo brand recognition and due to that increase software sales as a result, the cash they get from the movies is more a bonus ojective to the overall objective of having Nintendo franchises more widely consumed.
 
Danny said:
Every console maker will be all digital in the future, the only unknown is the time factor for this coming reality. Nintendo does have the highest percentage of people buying physical games, but i don't think that will in any major way change the trend of the industry in general. And due to what the trend of the industry is already it would be pretty weird for Nintendo not to release a digital only version already this console generation, not just to make more money from every game sold but also because a digital only version is a way to make the consumer base more adapted to the all digital future that is coming. They want to eventually reach the PC game reality where everyone playing PC games take it as a matter of fact that they just download a PC game with no physical games being available.
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Not to mention the recent rumors suggesting both Walmart, and Best Buy will stop selling physical media in 2024 or so only adds more fuel to this fire. Could also be a result of people buying physical media online more rather than big box retail stores though, but I am unsure.

Switch 2 could be that transitional period for Nintendo on "switching" folks over from physical to digital, and perhaps in the "latter" half of the Switch 2's life, they'll offer a digital-only SKU. So maybe a digital-only version is not something we'll see at launch, but rather later on in its life.
 
Skittzo said:
I'm not talking about chatter about the thing itself, I'm talking specifically about a supposedly imminent announcement. I personally don't think it's going to be announced this year, mainly because if it were I do believe we'd hear a bit more talk about a big announcement coming soon.

Am I saying that we need to be hearing that talk? No. I am saying that I personally would expect a bit more than what we have now regarding an imminent announcement and since we don't have really any rumors at all saying so, I believe it's probably not happening soon (i.e. by the middle of November).

I'd love to be wrong.
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But what's the yardstick for this? Emily Rogers was the only person able to share any updates on the NX announcement, saying in mid-September that it would happen in October, and then being made aware of the actual announcement date one day before the video went live (which a couple other people also were). When literally one person shared advance knowledge of the past console announcement, and they're not in the game anymore, where exactly would we be getting the chatter this time?

The Lite and OLED announcements were also not known ahead of time by anyone, despite the models themselves and their release windows being (partially) accurately reported on.
 
Scrawnton said:
I don't know why but my gut is starting to tell me Team2025 might start becoming a thing.
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LiC said:
But what's the yardstick for this? Emily Rogers was the only person able to share any updates on the NX announcement, saying in mid-September that it would happen in October, and then being made aware of the actual announcement date one day before the video went live (which a couple other people also were). When literally one person shared advance knowledge of the past console announcement, and they're not in the game anymore, where exactly would we be getting the chatter this time?

The Lite and OLED announcements were also not known ahead of time by anyone, despite the models themselves and their release windows being (partially) accurately reported on.
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Again, WAY more people will be involved in this announcement than the Switch 1's announcement because the Switch 1 was very popular and the WiiU was a complete failure.

Third-parties will be very interested in being featured and Nintendo will love to feature them.
 
LiC said:
But what's the yardstick for this? Emily Rogers was the only person able to share any updates on the NX announcement, saying in mid-September that it would happen in October, and then being made aware of the actual announcement date one day before the video went live (which a couple other people also were). When literally one person shared advance knowledge of the past console announcement, and they're not in the game anymore, where exactly would we be getting the chatter this time?

The Lite and OLED announcements were also not known ahead of time by anyone, despite the models themselves and their release windows being (partially) accurately reported on.
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It's fully a gut thing. Or as the kids call it these days, a "vibes" thing.

And the OLED announcement was discussed like a full month in advance, you may be remembering that wrong. That was back when everyone thought it would be a pro, and a ton of people were saying they knew production starting and an announcement were imminent. I don't remember if the Lite announcement was leaked/teased beforehand.
 
LiC said:
The Lite and OLED announcements were also not known ahead of time by anyone, despite the models themselves and their release windows being (partially) accurately reported on.
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The plate of the Switch Lite was leaked 2 months before the official reveal, and the OLED model was leaked by Mochizuki but added claims like it had 4K support, which were incorrect.
 
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Shoulder said:
Not to mention the recent rumors suggesting both Walmart, and Best Buy will stop selling physical media in 2024 or so only adds more fuel to this fire. Could also be a result of people buying physical media online more rather than big box retail stores though, but I am unsure.

Switch 2 could be that transitional period for Nintendo on "switching" folks over from physical to digital, and perhaps in the "latter" half of the Switch 2's life, they'll offer a digital-only SKU. So maybe a digital-only version is not something we'll see at launch, but rather later on in its life.
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that Best Buy thing is only for music and video. they are still selling physical video games
 
Shoulder said:
Not to mention the recent rumors suggesting both Walmart, and Best Buy will stop selling physical media in 2024 or so only adds more fuel to this fire. Could also be a result of people buying physical media online more rather than big box retail stores though, but I am unsure.

Switch 2 could be that transitional period for Nintendo on "switching" folks over from physical to digital, and perhaps in the "latter" half of the Switch 2's life, they'll offer a digital-only SKU. So maybe a digital-only version is not something we'll see at launch, but rather later on in its life.
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Walmart is only ending Xbox physicals, while Best Buy's isn't affecting games at all
 
This will all be over in 3 weeks folks. Then the whole community can finally move on. If it’s announced on YouTube we’ll all be on the same page.

If it’s not announced (like a real reveal, not telling investors) then we’ll have some people move to “it’s being revealed in January” and probably another group that thinks it’s being revealed in March.
 
Skittzo said:
It's fully a gut thing. Or as the kids call it these days, a "vibes" thing.

And the OLED announcement was discussed like a full month in advance, you may be remembering that wrong. That was back when everyone thought it would be a pro, and a ton of people were saying they knew production starting and an announcement were imminent. I don't remember if the Lite announcement was leaked/teased beforehand.
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Sure, it was "discussed." I remember people making "it could be announced any day now" types of posts, and I specifically remember Emily saying she thought an announcement before E3 made sense. That's clearly not real knowledge of announcement timing, just guesswork based on the reporting that it was coming out that year. You'd have to link me to something to back up the notion that anyone professed genuine knowledge of a July announcement before it happened.
 
ILikeFeet said:
that Best Buy thing is only for music and video. they are still selling physical video games
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robertman2 said:
Walmart is only ending Xbox physicals, while Best Buy's isn't affecting games at all
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Then when I first read it, I must've misinterpreted it because it made it seem like their entire physical media was going away, video games included.

But then, the Verge wasn't exactly consistent in their reporting:
https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/13/23915567/best-buy-discontinue-physical-media-dvd-blu-ray

Their title suggests only movies, but then the article talks about the physical media in general, but later said keeping their video game section at least for now, so only movies. And then I forgot they already got rid of their physical music back in 2018, which seems a lot further back than 5 years ago.

I still maintain that video games are approaching all digital, and we're all just going to have to live with it.
 
Dark Cloud said:
This will all be over in 3 weeks folks. Then the whole community can finally move on. If it’s announced on YouTube we’ll all be on the same page.

If it’s not announced (like a real reveal, not telling investors) then we’ll have some people move to “it’s being revealed in January” and probably another group that thinks it’s being revealed in March.
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H1 believer's doomsday
 
I knew I had to remove myself a bit from the next gen conversation when I started getting actual anxiety thinking about it. At that point I realized I was spending way too much energy on worrying about hypotheticals. I’ll be pleasantly surprised by whatever nintendo decides to do, worse case scenario regarding backwards compatibility, i still have my original switch to play those games on
 
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Shoulder said:
Then when I first read it, I must've misinterpreted it because it made it seem like their entire physical media was going away, video games included.

But then, the Verge wasn't exactly consistent in their reporting:
https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/13/23915567/best-buy-discontinue-physical-media-dvd-blu-ray

Their title suggests only movies, but then the article talks about the physical media in general, but later said keeping their video game section at least for now, so only movies. And then I forgot they already got rid of their physical music back in 2018, which seems a lot further back than 5 years ago.

I still maintain that video games are approaching all digital, and we're all just going to have to live with it.
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Best Buy themselves said it doesn’t affect games.
 
LiC said:
Sure, it was "discussed." I remember people making "it could be announced any day now" types of posts, and I specifically remember Emily saying she thought an announcement before E3 made sense. That's clearly not real knowledge of announcement timing, just guesswork based on the reporting that it was coming out that year. You'd have to link me to something to back up the notion that anyone professed genuine knowledge of a July announcement before it happened.
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That's the type of thing I mean though. Hearing those types of reports would help convince my gut/vibes.
 
Skittzo said:
That's the type of thing I mean though. Hearing those types of reports would help convince my gut/vibes.
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There's never been reporting about announcement timing, though, that's my whole point (and the one and only counterexample being Emily's "#NX #OctoberReveal" from mid-September). And what I thought you were saying here:

Skittzo said:
I personally would expect a bit more than what we have now regarding an imminent announcement and since we don't have really any rumors at all saying so, I believe it's probably not happening soon (i.e. by the middle of November).
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If it's a question of release timing or production and reports about that, that would be another topic of discussion. But as far as, should we expect to have heard anything about the reveal, I think the answer is definitively no.

Let's say it's a March or April 2024 reveal. I do not believe we will get chatter about it in the month beforehand at that time either. More likely the week of or the week before at best, like we saw with past announcements including the NX.
 
I don't remember marmolade doing any kind of trolling before. What did he do?
 
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Skittzo said:
I'm not talking about chatter about the thing itself, I'm talking specifically about a supposedly imminent announcement. I personally don't think it's going to be announced this year, mainly because if it were I do believe we'd hear a bit more talk about a big announcement coming soon.
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So you think announcements for an announcement is supposed to be a thing? :)
 
goudsoup said:
Another possibility that just popped into my head: if internal storage speeds have increased considerably to the point where micro SD is no longer a viable storage method to run games off of, and mandatory installs become a necessary evil, then Nintendo might find it reasonable to offer 2 SKUs: a 128GB model for 399 USD and a 256GB model for 449 USD.

Maybe add some extra knicknacks here and there to make the more 'premium' package more appealing, but ideally both SKUs would have the same functionality in terms of BC and performance, you'd just end up moving games from the internal memory to the SD much more frequently on the base model.
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Digital Only having only 128GB internal storage would be terrible considering how many current gen games are 50GB or bigger.
 
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eye0h said:
Anything interesting at all come out of the natecast?

ft mvg
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Switch 2 has ray reconstruction, don't dismiss the idea that a digital only Switch 2, nothing happened at Tokyo Gameshow, don't take anything found in patent as pointing towards new hardware since Nintendo wouldn't let important patents go public yet.
 
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