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[P4bl0]

Nah I don't blame you.

I tried to make it clear it was only something I heard but it wasn't enough. Frankly people not taking me seriously is on the better end of what could've happened with my post.

The good thing is that your rumour being spread by the press managed to condition the world to accept the +$399 pricing so Nintendo won't have to deal with the backlash much, well done on this!

Edit : for clarity

 

[Hermii]

Yeah I've told him I was kidding and made it clear that was my paranoia talking

I've spent the whole day looking at import data yesterday so I need a break, I can't check the other pages data it requests a higher tier subscription around $3000 a year, wanna chime in ?

I would chime in a few bucks, sure. We don't need a whole year, a month would be plenty.

 

[SoldierDelta]

The good thing is that you managed to condition the world to accept the +$399 pricing so Nintendo won't have to deal with the backlash much, well done on this!

I'm not gaslighting the world, you're making that up.

That's actually the best thing that came of this rumour btw. Gauging the general reactions to the pricing was a very interesting thing to learn about. People seem to be happy with the idea of the price jump, as long as it results in a generally better product with stronger specs.

 

[Concernt]

I'm not gaslighting the world, you're making that up.

That's actually the best thing that came of this rumour btw. Gauging the general reactions to the pricing was a very interesting thing to learn about. People seem to be happy with the idea of the price jump, as long as it results in a generally better product with stronger specs.

Adjusting for inflation, 400 is about what Nintendo TENDS to launch at.

 

[P4bl0]

I'm not gaslighting the world, you're making that up.

That's actually the best thing that came of this rumour btw. Gauging the general reactions to the pricing was a very interesting thing to learn about. People seem to be happy with the idea of the price jump, as long as it results in a generally better product with stronger specs.

Yeah gaslighting isn't the right term, I'm not implying that you did it intentionally, it's just a consequence of the rumor spreading. What I mean is with all those press reports coming from your rumor, people are already accepting the +$399 which is a good thing for Nintendo

 

[SoldierDelta]

Adjusting for inflation, 400 is about what Nintendo TENDS to launch at.

Good point, but that's not really what people tend to think about. The mainstream folks tend to just think of the price of consoles and games as a flat constant of the universe so, whenever there's a jump, there's complaints about the company being greedy.

Granted, I mainly read comments from the Discord, ResetERA and Subreddit (and naturally here) and I wouldn't call all of them casual consumers. Mostly semi-informed folks who like to read about rumours about their favourite games and game systems with a sort-of knowledge about them. For that specific market, we damn-well know what those people want.

 

[Concernt]

Good point, but that's not really what people tend to think about. The mainstream folks tend to just think of the price of consoles and games as a flat constant of the universe so, whenever there's a jump, there's complaints about the company being greedy.

Granted, I mainly read comments from the Discord, ResetERA and Subreddit (and naturally here) and I wouldn't call all of them casual consumers. Mostly semi-informed folks who like to read about rumours about their favourite games and game systems with a sort-of knowledge about them. For that specific market, we damn-well know what those people want.

In my opinion, from what we know thanks to this thread, 399 would be VERY nice.

It would definitely be enough to allow for T239 on 4NM, speakers and light sensor would come in under a dollar a unit. There would even be a little left over after inflation thanks to components getting cheaper since 2017. That extra is presumably put towards a higher res HDR screen and HOPEFULLY better motion controls.

I don't expect Joy-Con 2 to be a total overhaul, but I do expect them to change. More nuance, stronger rumble, bigger grips, bigger sticks, fancy this and thats, especially since they'll be used for New Ringfit Adventure. New Ringfit is perfect for the launch window because it can show off all the cool features of the controllers besides the standard sticks and buttons.

 

[Lugia667]

Princess Peach Showtime could be the last Nintendo published Nintendo Switch game, excluding remakes and re-releases.

Hell, if it ends up being cross gen, WONDER becomes their last Switch game.

We live in interesting times!

every time one of you says this another switch game gets greenlit!

 

[YolkFolk]

As if Showtime is cross gen.

 

[SoldierDelta]

In my opinion, from what we know thanks to this thread, 399 would be VERY nice.

It would definitely be enough to allow for T239 on 4NM, speakers and light sensor would come in under a dollar a unit. There would even be a little left over after inflation thanks to components getting cheaper since 2017. That extra is presumably put towards a higher res HDR screen and HOPEFULLY better motion controls.

I don't expect Joy-Con 2 to be a total overhaul, but I do expect them to change. More nuance, stronger rumble, bigger grips, bigger sticks, fancy this and thats, especially since they'll be used for New Ringfit Adventure. New Ringfit is perfect for the launch window because it can show off all the cool features of the controllers besides the standard sticks and buttons.

A generally more premium feel to the system would be an excellent start.

As for the joy-con, I fully agree. I don't think they need to be overhauled, they're fundamentally solid controllers that just have a few problems with them. The issue is that they can't really substantially change without affecting the feel of the system in some way. I think just some internal improvements (namely the sticks because good god they need fixing) and maybe, like, a back button each would be a good idea maybe.

As for the "showcase" title for these new additions, Ringfit is a good choice. I feel like it was the best example of Nintendo's casual games from the Switch and worked fairly well. It's funny that the early adopters are going to be expected to play a fitness game when they get their brand new "Hardcore" gaming system, but at least it's funny.

 

[pelusilla6]

Yeah I've told him I was kidding and made it clear that was my paranoia talking

I've spent the whole day looking at import data yesterday so I need a break, I can't check the other pages data it requests a higher tier subscription around $3000 a year, wanna chime in ?

Next time you come back to searching, remember to look for some screen results

 

[Concernt]

As if Showtime is cross gen.

Never say never ever...

 

[P4bl0]

In my opinion, from what we know thanks to this thread, 399 would be VERY nice.

It would definitely be enough to allow for T239 on 4NM, speakers and light sensor would come in under a dollar a unit. There would even be a little left over after inflation thanks to components getting cheaper since 2017. That extra is presumably put towards a higher res HDR screen and HOPEFULLY better motion controls.

I don't expect Joy-Con 2 to be a total overhaul, but I do expect them to change. More nuance, stronger rumble, bigger grips, bigger sticks, fancy this and thats, especially since they'll be used for New Ringfit Adventure. New Ringfit is perfect for the launch window because it can show off all the cool features of the controllers besides the standard sticks and buttons.

Hold on New Ringfit Adventure is a thing ? I found this, this is very recent. We had two deliveries of 2800 pcs of New Ring Fit Adventure delivered in the US couple weeks ago. Let's say it's for NG, why shipping it early ? Something doesn't add up

Switch 2 is New Switch ?

So many questions

 

[Concernt]

Hold on New Ringfit Adventure is a thing ? I found this, this is very recent. We had two deliveries of 2600 pcs of New Ring Fit Adventure delivered in the US couple weeks ago. Let's say it's for NG, why shipping it early ? Something doesn't add up

Switch 2 is New Switch ?

So many questions

HOLY SHIT

This could just be "New" units of Ring Fit, but hold on, wasn't "New Ringfit Adventure" part of the docket being sent around in Nvidia during the DDK phase?

If this is "New Ringfit Adventure", as in the game and hardware Nvidia was testing on Switch 2 DDKs, that's... that's IMPORTING SWITCH 2 GAMES. INTO THE US.

Excuse my language: FUCK.

 

[Deleted member 5146]

Adjusting for inflation, 400 is about what Nintendo TENDS to launch at.

Saw some complaints on reddit earlier about the possibility of a PS4-like device being set at the PS4's entry price, but when I looked that up and adjusted for inflation the PS4 would've been between 500-600 American dollars today so ¯\(ツ)/¯

Hold on New Ringfit Adventure is a thing ? I found this, this is very recent. We had two deliveries of 2600 pcs of New Ring Fit Adventure delivered in the US couple weeks ago. Let's say it's for NG, why shipping it early ? Something doesn't add up

Switch 2 is New Switch ?

So many questions

If they're potentially planning to drop a New Ring Fit Adventure (it'll probably just be for the standard Switch) with the New Year to capitalise on resolutions and the post-Christmas indulgence guilt then that's probably one of the smartest gaming business moves in quite a while

 

[justanotherperson]

Switch 2 is New Switch ?

We lost.

 

[P4bl0]

HOLY SHIT

This could just be "New" units of Ring Fit, but hold on, wasn't "New Ringfit Adventure" part of the docket being sent around in Nvidia during the DDK phase?

If this is "New Ringfit Adventure", as in the game and hardware Nvidia was testing on Switch 2 DDKs, that's... that's IMPORTING SWITCH 2 GAMES. INTO THE US.

Excuse my language: FUCK.

You wouldn't write "NEW" for a brand new product in customs docs

Could you clarify about the Nvidia docket ?

 

[P4bl0]

Also those units qty doesn't scream release to me but more like product testing ? Maybe they are product-testing the new game in select american houses

 

[pelusilla6]

Hold on New Ringfit Adventure is a thing ? I found this, this is very recent. We had two deliveries of 2800 pcs of New Ring Fit Adventure delivered in the US couple weeks ago. Let's say it's for NG, why shipping it early ? Something doesn't add up

Switch 2 is New Switch ?

So many questions

Yes, I posted about it a couple of days ago but it went unnoticed i guess

I find the "new" thing very odd, maybe it is meaningless

 

[Concernt]

You wouldn't write "NEW" for a brand new product in customs docs

Could you clarify about the Nvidia docket ?

I wish someone could provide more clarity, but if I'm not mistaken, part of the hardware being sent to Nvidia alongside driver development kits for NG Switch. Basically, Nvidia was sent New Ringfit Adventure hardware (the new Ring-Con) to test with their driver development kits. More or less, confirming it's for NG Switch.

Provided this is all true.

 

[Concernt]

Also those units qty doesn't scream release to me but more like product testing ? Maybe they are product-testing the new game in select american houses

It wouldn't go to houses, it would be for internal product testing in Nintendo, maybe private showings to devs and press.

But the fact they're importing them in SEPTEMBER THIS YEAR means they're ready for late this year, early next.

Like say... for a reveal... and a press briefing.

 

[Deleted member 5146]

You wouldn't write "NEW" for a brand new product in customs docs

Could you clarify about the Nvidia docket ?

China Hs Code 95045090 for Other.

Find China HS code 95045090 for Other. Seair Exim provides Chinese HS classification List under Harmonized system code 95045090.

www.seair.co.in

There's the HS codes (presuming Singapore is sharing them with China) - chapter 95 is concerning games, 9504 is for video games, board games, and video game accessories, whatever specific products are designated under 9504 5090 are redacted or listed as 'other', so looks like you've bypassed a decent level of secrecy hahaha

 

[P4bl0]

I wish someone could provide more clarity, but if I'm not mistaken, part of the hardware being sent to Nvidia alongside driver development kits for NG Switch. Basically, Nvidia was sent New Ringfit Adventure hardware (the new Ring-Con) to test with their driver development kits. More or less, confirming it's for NG Switch.

Provided this is all true.

Can you link to this ? It's interesting

 

[Dark Cloud]

Nintendo killed New Super Mario Bros to only create New Ring Fit Adventure

 

[NintendoMariah]

Hold on New Ringfit Adventure is a thing ? I found this, this is very recent. We had two deliveries of 2800 pcs of New Ring Fit Adventure delivered in the US couple weeks ago. Let's say it's for NG, why shipping it early ? Something doesn't add up

Switch 2 is New Switch ?

So many questions

ARE WE DOING THIS AGAIN 24 hours later!!!! Lol YUSSS

 

[P4bl0]

Nintendo killed New Super Mario Bros to only create New Ring Fit Adventure

 

[Concernt]

Can you link to this ? It's interesting

It was in this thread, back a bit. If I can find the specific post I'll edit this reply.

 

[Νεφέλωμα]

Hold on New Ringfit Adventure is a thing ? I found this, this is very recent. We had two deliveries of 2800 pcs of New Ring Fit Adventure delivered in the US couple weeks ago. Let's say it's for NG, why shipping it early ? Something doesn't add up

Switch 2 is New Switch ?

So many questions

Switch 2 codename is actually NS

 

[Deleted member 5146]

The consignee in that document is Click Entertainment USA and this is their website https://click-entertainment.com/index.php/wholesale-supplier-of-nintendo-switch/, they're a wholesaler that seem to favour existing Nintendo products, the other consignee (Krieger) is a lorry transport firm, so the Ring Fit Adventure may be a bulk purchase made for Click to sell on ahead of Christmas and the 'new' probably just indicates they're factory sealed

 

[Concernt]

CLICK ENTERTAINMENT USA was the importer of 10 pallets of "New Ringfit Adventure".

Either Nintendo is using a wholesaler as a cover, or Click just marked their pallets as "New" as in not used, and it's just normal Ringfit.

Update: I've found another site that says Nintendo was the importer to the US, continuing my search.

 

[NintendoMariah]

CLICK ENTERTAINMENT USA was the importer of 10 pallets of "New Ringfit Adventure".

Either Nintendo is using a wholesaler as a cover, or Click just marked their pallets as "New" as in not used, and it's just normal Ringfit.

Update: I've found another site that says Nintendo was the importer to the US, continuing my search.

FFS lmfao just when they pull us back in….
Lol

 

[SoldierDelta]

FFS lmfao just when they pull us back in….
Lol

 

[Concernt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1105834986847879330/1160162608461139968/Screenshot_2023-10-07-11-30-48-42_680d03679600f7af0b4c700c6b270fe7.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1105834986847879330/1160162595198746736/Screenshot_2023-10-07-11-31-10-56_3aea4af51f236e4932235fdada7d1643.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attach...31-21-94_3aea4af51f236e4932235fdada7d1643.jpg

海关数据_航运数据_提单数据_关单数据_纽佰德数据

纽佰德数据系统三天更新一次，包含美国海关数据、印度海关进出口数据、俄罗斯海关数据在内的总共超过60个数据源。数据分为关单数据，提单数据、航运数据、一带一路国家贸易数据与欧亚大陆运输数据。

www.nbd.ltd

Could be meaningless!

 

[NintendoMariah]

 

[pelusilla6]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1105834986847879330/1160162608461139968/Screenshot_2023-10-07-11-30-48-42_680d03679600f7af0b4c700c6b270fe7.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1105834986847879330/1160162595198746736/Screenshot_2023-10-07-11-31-10-56_3aea4af51f236e4932235fdada7d1643.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attach...31-21-94_3aea4af51f236e4932235fdada7d1643.jpg

海关数据_航运数据_提单数据_关单数据_纽佰德数据

纽佰德数据系统三天更新一次，包含美国海关数据、印度海关进出口数据、俄罗斯海关数据在内的总共超过60个数据源。数据分为关单数据，提单数据、航运数据、一带一路国家贸易数据与欧亚大陆运输数据。

www.nbd.ltd

Could be meaningless!

N***C/D seems to be Nintendo yeah, same shipment:

Edit: I have doubts with the C/D letter

 

[Concernt]

N***C/D seems to be Nintendo yeah, same shipment:

So Nintendo IS importing them...

The plot thickens.

 

[SoldierDelta]

N***C/D seems to be Nintendo yeah, same shipment:

Alright then, that explains why there's an alias company exporting the games. However, the only way to confirm something about the "New" Ring Fit Adventure copies being a new title instead of just Switch 1 games that are factory sealed is if we find a similar order of factory-sealed games that also have a "New" in front of them.

 

[pelusilla6]

So Nintendo IS importing them...

The plot thickens.

Im not sure, i still have doubts between the C/D letter

 

[ReyVGM]

I don’t know about the rest of you but DLSS is more than enough satisfactory as the ”gimmick”. In the end gimmicks is to have something to market and now Nintendo can finally market a ”4k” console.

The problem with that is that 4k only applies to the console part and not the portable one.

And the other consoles have had 4k for a while now, so they'd be pretty much marketing something that's already "old".

 

[SoldierDelta]

The problem with that is that 4k only applies to the console part and not the portable one.

And the other consoles have had 4k for a while now, so they'd be pretty much marketing something that's already "old".

That AR camera is probably going to be the portable gimmick, if it isn't just the sheer power of the system.

 

[Leo]

Pokemon has run the gambit of RPG styles.

Gen 1 was early NES.

Gen 2 was late NES.

Gen 3 was early SNES.

Gen 4 was late SNES.

Gen 5 was early PS1.

Gen 6 was late PS1.

Gen 7 was early PS2.

Gen 8 was a late SD game uprezzed to HD.

Gen 9 was an early PS3 game.

Gen 10 will probably reach late PS3, maybe early PS4 levels.

Maybe this is a joke, you never know with Pokémon discourse, but it's completely inaccurate. If you think the PS1 was able to run a game that looks anything like Pokemon XY, I think you should play a PS1 game to refresh your memory.

I'd argue of all the Pokémon games, the only one that looked bad for the time and hardware it came out for was SwSh, and even that isn't nearly as horrid as people make it up to be, it looks like it was rushed and completely skipped polishing, but the artstyle is great and it can look quite pretty sometimes. It looks nothing like a PS2 game.

Gen 9 looks exactly how I expect an open world game with tons of models in the field that isn't made by an internal Nintendo studio to look on the Switch. Yes, GF has a problem with textures and lighting, but overall the game looks great, I dare you to find an open world game on the Switch that looks better and isn't called Zelda. Performance is a disaster of course, but it's also expected when a game of that scope was made in three years.

 

[SoldierDelta]

Maybe this is a joke, you never know with Pokémon discourse, but it's completely inaccurate. If you think the PS1 was able to run a game that looks anything like Pokemon XY, I think you should play a PS1 game to refresh your memory.

I'd argue of all the Pokémon games, the only one that looked bad for the time and hardware it came out for was SwSh, and even that isn't nearly as horrid as people make it up to be, it looks like it was rushed and completely skipped polishing, but the artstyle is great and it can look quite pretty sometimes. It looks nothing like a PS2 game.

Gen 9 looks exactly how I expect an open world game with tons of models in the field that isn't made by an internal Nintendo studio to look on the Switch. Yes, GF has a problem with textures and lighting, but overall the game looks great, I dare you to find an open world game on the Switch that looks better and isn't called Zelda. Performance is a disaster of course, but it's also expected when a game of that scope was made in three years.

I feel like people would be more forgiving on Gen 9's shortcomings if it looked better or ran better. If it did literally either of those things, the anger wouldn't be as bad as it was. I'm not asking for every game to be as impressive as Xenoblade 3 or Breath of the Wild (and later TotK of course), but there's a line where it's just taking the piss out of the audience.

For me personally, the thing that angered me the most is that a game like Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch released around a decade prior, was an original IP and was working with infamously hard to work-with hardware... and made a game that looks much better and more stable overall.

 

[pelusilla6]

So, we got:

The second one is between CLICK ENTERTAINMENT USA (C***SA) and BS INTL NETWORKS PTE LTD (B***TD) as others have pointed.

On the other hand, the first one is between N***C and P***D.

We know that N***D is Nintendo CO, LTD , so what about N***C?

Note: 99% that it is a standard RINGFIT shipment labeled as new xD

 

[ReyVGM]

Pokemon has run the gambit of RPG styles.

Gen 1 was early NES.

Gen 2 was late NES.

Gen 3 was early SNES.

Gen 4 was late SNES.

Gen 5 was early PS1.

Gen 6 was late PS1.

Gen 7 was early PS2.

Gen 8 was a late SD game uprezzed to HD.

Gen 9 was an early PS3 game.

Gen 10 will probably reach late PS3, maybe early PS4 levels.

I know and it hurts me. Tbf though, you're being a bit generous, I don't even think it looks THAT good. But to me it's a matter of what it could be.

Better looking or on par with Genshin would be the ceiling but obviously, that was me idealizing.

It's absolutely bonkers that the next Zelda may very well end up looking better than that w/ray tracing.


Damn, so true. I will say, I played two seconds of Genshin and noped out because I don't like the gacha aspect.

On a technical level though I would love to see Pokemon clear that game.

But shouts out to Pokemon though, Genshin doesn't have Nessa.

Maybe this is a joke, you never know with Pokémon discourse, but it's completely inaccurate. If you think the PS1 was able to run a game that looks anything like Pokemon XY, I think you should play a PS1 game to refresh your memory.

I'd argue of all the Pokémon games, the only one that looked bad for the time and hardware it came out for was SwSh, and even that isn't nearly as horrid as people make it up to be, it looks like it was rushed and completely skipped polishing, but the artstyle is great and it can look quite pretty sometimes. It looks nothing like a PS2 game.

Gen 9 looks exactly how I expect an open world game with tons of models in the field that isn't made by an internal Nintendo studio to look on the Switch. Yes, GF has a problem with textures and lighting, but overall the game looks great, I dare you to find an open world game on the Switch that looks better and isn't called Zelda. Performance is a disaster of course, but it's also expected when a game of that scope was made in three years.

Could you please take the Pokemon talk to one of the many other appropriate threads for this?

 

[SoldierDelta]

So, we got:

The second one is between CLICK ENTERTAINMENT USA (C***SA) and BS INTL NETWORKS PTE LTD (B***TD) as others have pointed.

On the other hand, the first one is between N***C and P***D.

We know that N***D is Nintendo CO, LTD , so what about N***C?

Note: 99% that it is a standard RINGFIT shipment labeled as new xD

If I can take a guess, there's a chance it's "Nintendo of America Inc.". I mean it's an "import" so that's the only place i'd imagine it heading to at least.

 

[TechnicalTip6578]

So, we got:

The second one is between CLICK ENTERTAINMENT USA (C***SA) and BS INTL NETWORKS PTE LTD (B***TD) as others have pointed.

On the other hand, the first one is between N***C and P***D.

We know that N***D is Nintendo CO, LTD , so what about N***C?

Note: 99% that it is a standard RINGFIT shipment labeled as new xD

N***C may be Nintendo of Canada?

 

[pelusilla6]

If I can take a guess, there's a chance it's "Nintendo of America Inc.". I mean it's an "import" so that's the only place i'd imagine it heading to at least.

There is also "HOSIDEN CORPORATION C O NINTENDO OF AMERICA INC" labeled as < * > and H * >.

If i search with "NINTENDO OF AMERICA INC" it shows results with H***> (as above).

N***C may be Nintendo of Canada?

0 Results with that

 

[Giancarlo]

One prediction I’m feeling okay about is that I think region locking is coming back.

The Bank of Japan is trying to establish inflation expectations at 1-4% and that makes sense and is good, but it’s crushed the yen in the process. The only ways to stop most Japanese consoles from being scalped are:

1. Charge an incredibly high price in Japan

2. Make the consoles useless outside of Japan

And to accomplish 2…

region locking on Switch sucessor would defeat one of the console main apeal, imagine you live in europe/America, and you have a friend that live in japan, and you and your agreed to play Mario Kart, you friend obviously have a japanese copy of the game, you a european, with region locking you would be unable to play Mario Kart with your japanese friend, only able to play the game with your european friends

 

[Giancarlo]

Guess what?

Amazon just sent me notification that the Metroid Prime 4 I put in a preorder for in 2018, now have estimated delivery date of December 31, 2024.

Switch 2 launches December 31, 2024. Book it!

It's gonna be a dual game package, Metroid Prime 4 / Silksong

sorry to rain in your parade, but this is a tentatile date until Nintendo anounce the actual release date of the game

 

[Shoulder]

I can’t read through 50 ducking pages again.

Have I missed anything of relevance, or is the usual doom and gloom, followed by heightened curiosity with hope, only to repeat itself?