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Hedging. But let's wait for the reveal / presentation
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Guess what?
Amazon just sent me notification that the Metroid Prime 4 I put in a preorder for in 2018, now have estimated delivery date of December 31, 2024.
Switch 2 launches December 31, 2024.
Book it!
It's gonna be a dual game package, Metroid Prime 4 / Silksong
Amazon just sent me notification that the Metroid Prime 4 I put in a preorder for in 2018, now have estimated delivery date of December 31, 2024.
Switch 2 launches December 31, 2024.
Book it!It's gonna be a dual game package, Metroid Prime 4 / Silksong
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Dekuman
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With only one hardware platform (i consider Switch 2 to be a continuation of Switch) I can safely safe Switch 2 will have games.
I am actually frankly far more interested in seeing how Nintendo manages 3rd party support and what games they target and if they allow/encourage upgrade patches
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Nevermind, amazon ETAs are different from Nintendo's ETAs.Guess what?
Amazon just sent me notification that the Metroid Prime 4 I put in a preorder for in 2018, now have estimated delivery date of December 31, 2024.
Switch 2 launches December 31, 2024.
It's gonna be a dual game package, Metroid Prime 4 / Silksong
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darthdiablo
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You think I was joking when I said Metroid Prime 4 & Silksong dual game package?
No, I was serious. Yea.
Seriously though: nah, estimated release date doesn't mean release year. Amazon have notified me ever year since 2018 (or 2019?) the game has been delayed, always using December 31 placeholder, lol.
But at this point we shouldn't expect any more of those emails from Amazon. I hope?
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All we know is that since it's a dedicated block, it's probably a hell of a lot better than the alternative (do it on the cpu). Since it's custom and there's nothing to compare it to in the pc/ tablet space it's hard to extrapolate more than that.
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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong -- I genuinely don't know much about chip design -- but I think it's likely that the general target would just be "fast enough to saturate the memory bandwidth." Several things would affect its throughput, and I don't know if it has its own clock or would be clocked along with the memory controller/RAM, but those factors won't matter if it can go fast enough that the RAM can't accept the decompressed data any faster, which seems likely for a dedicated hardware block.
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Ah my bad. I'm so conditioned to Nintendo's estimated years actually being right on the eshop I assumed it was the same.You think I was joking when I said Metroid Prime 4 & Silksong dual game package?
No, I was serious. Yea.
Seriously though: nah, estimated release date doesn't mean release year. Amazon have notified me ever year since 2018 (or 2019?) the game has been delayed, always using December 31 placeholder, lol.
But at this point we shouldn't expect any more of those emails from Amazon. I hope?
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So, doesn't it raise an eyebrow for anyone else how Nintendo is celebrating the holidays early and even added this to the main site not too long ago?
....No? Just me? I know people have speculated about the whole "celebrating the holidays early" here, but having seen this in early october is really strange and I wonder if it means we may see the Switch Successor be revealed sooner than later
I'm liklely stretching this but time will tell I suppose.
....No? Just me? I know people have speculated about the whole "celebrating the holidays early" here, but having seen this in early october is really strange and I wonder if it means we may see the Switch Successor be revealed sooner than later
I'm liklely stretching this but time will tell I suppose.
carbvan
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Any clue when the holiday stuff typically goes up? If not it probably means nothing.So, doesn't it raise an eyebrow for anyone else how Nintendo is celebrating the holidays early and even added this to the main site not too long ago?
....No? Just me? I know people have speculated about the whole "celebrating the holidays early" here, but having seen this in early october is really strange and I wonder if it means we may see the Switch Successor be revealed sooner than later
I'm liklely stretching this but time will tell I suppose.
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Yeah, It hasn't even passed Halloween yet..So, doesn't it raise an eyebrow for anyone else how Nintendo is celebrating the holidays early and even added this to the main site not too long ago?
....No? Just me? I know people have speculated about the whole "celebrating the holidays early" here, but having seen this in early october is really strange and I wonder if it means we may see the Switch Successor be revealed sooner than later
I'm liklely stretching this but time will tell I suppose.
Paraspikey have been commenting some about how things look odd this year. Like Nintendo's trying a period in November clear on the calendar (no releases during those weeks). The mysterious amiibo restocking.
Maybe Nintendo decided to do the holiday season early this year and the years forward as part of a new strategy.
That would be breaking the previous pattern however. I hope it means something more beyond just doing the holiday season earlier than usual. We shall see if something happens before the end of year (announcement)
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Pokemon has run the gambit of RPG styles.
Gen 1 was early NES.
Gen 2 was late NES.
Gen 3 was early SNES.
Gen 4 was late SNES.
Gen 5 was early PS1.
Gen 6 was late PS1.
Gen 7 was early PS2.
Gen 8 was a late SD game uprezzed to HD.
Gen 9 was an early PS3 game.
Gen 10 will probably reach late PS3, maybe early PS4 levels.
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tell that to the voices in my head
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what about ghost-hunt?
carbvan
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Like from Wii Play Motion? What are you referencing here?what about ghost-hunt?
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this is weirdly accurate loll
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Nintendo hasn't really been subtle when it comes to doing holiday stuff early this year, to the point where they've explicitly said "Nintendo Celebrates the Holidays Early" in their official press release regarding their plans. People have talked about it before, but I do believe October 6th is not only the earliest they've ever released their Switch holiday bundles, but it's the earliest by a very significant margin.So, doesn't it raise an eyebrow for anyone else how Nintendo is celebrating the holidays early and even added this to the main site not too long ago?
....No? Just me? I know people have speculated about the whole "celebrating the holidays early" here, but having seen this in early october is really strange and I wonder if it means we may see the Switch Successor be revealed sooner than later
I'm liklely stretching this but time will tell I suppose.
For reference, their 2022 holiday bundles came out on November 20th.
In 2021, their holiday bundles came out on November 21st.
2020? November 22nd.
2019? November 28th.
2018? November 23rd (Black Friday), which even came with 2DS bundles!
and finally, their 2017 bundles released on Black Friday once again, being November 24th.
They've slowly moved from "releasing things on Black Friday" to "releasing things shortly before Black Friday" over the years, but it should be obvious that nothing from 2017 to 2022 comes even remotely close to the huge gap between October 6th and November 20th. That's almost exactly a month and a half earlier than last year!
I imagine there's two ways of looking at this:
- Option #1: Nintendo is simply just looking to sell their Switch hardware stock early this year. This could be to coincide with the release of Super Mario Bros. Wonder, this could be because the Switch may no longer be the huge Black Friday item it once was and Nintendo no longer feels like it needs to be a Black Friday release, or some other marketing aspect that we might not be aware of.
- Option #2: It's happening. Nintendo is trying to clear their current Switch stock for one reason and one reason only: they plan on announcing the Switch 2 sometime within the next few months. The announcement of the Switch 2 is without a doubt going to take eyes off of the original Switch, so rather than saving their bundles for then, they're trying to clear house ASAP.
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Nah it has to be a weird thing IMO. That's more an enthusiasts gimmick rather than something you can see and instantly recognise to be a nintendo thing.
Kise Ryota
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If it's for the pointer feature only, maybe they could come up with something not that expensive and battery drainer. But to work exactly as a VR controller, then no; there's no cheap solution.
Or... they could have a cheap camera (or two) on the tablet itself, so it could help with tracking/drift correction. That's my hope actually.
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Catching up on the last twelve hours in this thread and there is a lot to unpack here but honestly bewildered how many people believe Nintendo is neglecting the cinematic narrative-driven triple A space when Detective Pikachu Returns released literally yesterday smh
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Regarding the gimmick conversation, I think it's worth remembering that it isn't the 00s anymore, and much of the technology required to drive "gimmicks" (motion-tracking, AR, whatever) has been made much cheaper in the age of the smartphone.
Whatever gimmicks that exist are not going to come at the major expense of traditional performance. The Switch itself is an indicator of that, being a massively powerful handheld at launch, despite the incredibly complex and versatile joycon. We can reasonably suspect that the next Switch will be able to instantaneously load Breath of the Wild at 4K60 and can play the Matrix demo with ray-tracing. If someone posted that two years ago they'd have been laughed out of the forum probably.
Moreover though, I think that Nintendo need renewed focus on the blue ocean. The narrative is that they ignored their core for Wii, but I think they overcorrected with the Switch. They had a 7-inch OLED tablet with a beautiful screen, and they didn't let you do much with it other than play games. It's the ideal size for a consumption tablet! They phoned-in most of their blue ocean games, with the exception of Ring Fit which was a huge success. Also the only thing outside of Labo to really make use of the joycon.
I think they now have the technology and manpower to serve both markets simultaneously.
Whatever gimmicks that exist are not going to come at the major expense of traditional performance. The Switch itself is an indicator of that, being a massively powerful handheld at launch, despite the incredibly complex and versatile joycon. We can reasonably suspect that the next Switch will be able to instantaneously load Breath of the Wild at 4K60 and can play the Matrix demo with ray-tracing. If someone posted that two years ago they'd have been laughed out of the forum probably.
Moreover though, I think that Nintendo need renewed focus on the blue ocean. The narrative is that they ignored their core for Wii, but I think they overcorrected with the Switch. They had a 7-inch OLED tablet with a beautiful screen, and they didn't let you do much with it other than play games. It's the ideal size for a consumption tablet! They phoned-in most of their blue ocean games, with the exception of Ring Fit which was a huge success. Also the only thing outside of Labo to really make use of the joycon.
I think they now have the technology and manpower to serve both markets simultaneously.
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I know and it hurts me. Tbf though, you're being a bit generous, I don't even think it looks THAT good. But to me it's a matter of what it could be.
Better looking or on par with Genshin would be the ceiling but obviously, that was me idealizing.
It's absolutely bonkers that the next Zelda may very well end up looking better than that w/ray tracing.
Damn, so true. I will say, I played two seconds of Genshin and noped out because I don't like the gacha aspect.
On a technical level though I would love to see Pokemon clear that game.
But shouts out to Pokemon though, Genshin doesn't have Nessa.
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Mid-November. This has been months in advance this year.
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This is so inaccurate it hurts. But this isn't a video game graphics speculation thread.
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Tools of Destruction was an early PS3 game, as was Oblivion, and GTA IV, whatever Gen 9 was supposed to be would've looked more at home on GameCube and even then that's being charitable, anything Game Freak are trying to cook for the NG will still be served raw and liable to induce food poisoning, I don't believe they'll ever be able to come out with something on a contemporary console that looks like it belongs on the contemporary console, and it's unfortunate Nintendo can't compel them to shape up because if you've played the Pokémon spinoffs made by other developers then you know how incredible it can look on Switch already and how much better that could be this time next year
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Personally I would not be reading too much into the early holiday promotions. It’s simply a reaction to market conditions right now.
Inflation and economic woes are still very much present and affect consumer behaviour. That why the shopping season will be drawn out even more this year. Budgets are tight a people are looking for deals for longer. It’s been trending away from Black Friday for years anyway, not just for Nintendo.
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You might have even notices yourself that holiday products for Christmas etc showed up earlier than usual.
In the end as a seller you want to be there when the money is being spent and not when half of it is already done.
They simply want to sell as much consoles and software in their last holiday season and CYQ4 will likely be 50% of their fiscal year.
Inflation and economic woes are still very much present and affect consumer behaviour. That why the shopping season will be drawn out even more this year. Budgets are tight a people are looking for deals for longer. It’s been trending away from Black Friday for years anyway, not just for Nintendo.
Top Trends and Predictions for the 2023 Holiday Shopping Season | BigCommerce
The 2023 holiday shopping season is upon us. Here are some of the trends we are seeing in ecommerce and brick-and-mortar retail.
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The holiday shopping season is starting earlier than ever
Consumers plan to get an early start on holiday shopping: That’s good news for retailers as it should help smooth out the traditional late-season shipping bump.
You might have even notices yourself that holiday products for Christmas etc showed up earlier than usual.
In the end as a seller you want to be there when the money is being spent and not when half of it is already done.
They simply want to sell as much consoles and software in their last holiday season and CYQ4 will likely be 50% of their fiscal year.
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It wouldn't be too much for the battery; I expect 400 nits, personally. Just enough to technically maybe just about kinda say it's "HDR".
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Christmas marketing usually starts across the board before the end of August and only peaks between late November to early December, Halloween wouldn't be something for Nintendo to hold out for either since outside of the UK and Ireland and North America, it's not much a thing
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Mí na Samhna shona duit!
Isn't it weird that Mí na Samhna isn't... you know, Mí Samhain? We have Mí na Samhna then Mí Samhain. The month OF Halloween then Halloween month! October doesn't even get a name, it's just "end of Autumn", "Deireadh Fómhair".
MadMarvainy
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Fair enough.
It was definitely a different time for hardware back then so I agree. Most of that stuff can come in the form of Labo or Ring Fit Adventure now as long as the HW is flexible enough. The Switch was such an amazing console in that regard, it was able to work in more scenarios than people give it credit for.
As someone mentioned earlier, I am totally content with a much more powerful Switch with a twist and a new name.
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I is v. smort. That or I'm just trying my best to contribute without being a dick or pretending that I know more than I actually do, one of the two. I know I'm not one of the smarter people here, I'm just trying my best.
I am happy about the increasing amount of voice work in that new Mario game though. That's a very good sign for things to come. The same also applies for their experimentation in voice acting with Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom (in addition to the extensive voice work employed with Fire Emblem and Xenoblade especially). We're getting there, we just don't know how long it'll take.
Weird analogy, but yes.
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I'm not sure how people think Nintendo are trying to keep November clear when they're launching two first party games that month, which is more than usual for November. In the Switch era there's usually just the one software launch in November (Pokemon most of the time, Hyrule Warriors in 2020; nothing for Switch in 2017 but Pokemon launched on 3DS).
I'd look more to early February for a potential 'soft reveal' to investors, personally, if that ended up being the method for announcement. Perhaps just a statement announcing that a reveal video will follow the next day, or something. Or an announcement simply comes independently and ahead of their briefings to shareholders.
Really, the only significant points on the IR calendar are the May briefing, where they announce their full year results and 2024/25 guidance, and then their June AGM. We saw this year that Nintendo made sure they had further announced products just ahead of the AGM. That's not to say a hardware announcement can only come in May/June; rather that it really has to happen before then. I still personally suspect the device could be on the market before the AGM.
Edit - it should go without saying that hardware is almost certainly confirmed before May, both because of the current signs around manufacturing and because, in May, Nintendo release their new sales guidance which will be significantly informed by new hardware
I'd look more to early February for a potential 'soft reveal' to investors, personally, if that ended up being the method for announcement. Perhaps just a statement announcing that a reveal video will follow the next day, or something. Or an announcement simply comes independently and ahead of their briefings to shareholders.
Really, the only significant points on the IR calendar are the May briefing, where they announce their full year results and 2024/25 guidance, and then their June AGM. We saw this year that Nintendo made sure they had further announced products just ahead of the AGM. That's not to say a hardware announcement can only come in May/June; rather that it really has to happen before then. I still personally suspect the device could be on the market before the AGM.
Edit - it should go without saying that hardware is almost certainly confirmed before May, both because of the current signs around manufacturing and because, in May, Nintendo release their new sales guidance which will be significantly informed by new hardware
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SoldierDelta
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Special brand of brain-rot coming in:
These early holiday promotions are very weird for Nintendo, they don't seem to do these kinds of things early. Combined with the insanely early Mario Kart 8 + Switch bundle that they've been pedalling this time around, there's something fishy going on with the marketing side of things. Additionally, the last Nintendo-published release of this year is Super Mario RPG... on the 17th of November. That is a very odd time for Nintendo to just stop, they usually have one last game release in December.
So, what's so important about the holidays that they're clearing a huge spot for them?
Well I don't really need to answer that question, but there is a big counter to this theory, those being the Another Code and M+DK releases happening in Q1 of next year. Not a great time to announce a new system overall, but this isn't abnormal behaviour from Console Makers so take this what you will.
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Another Code and Mario + DK are NOT generation defining experiences with some huge impact on console perception. They're... neat. But completely irrelevant.
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I agree. I just had to bring them up because people would shoot me otherwise.
Hell, just to back it up, here's a fun point. Nintendo Software Technology are apparently behind the remake, the roughly 50-man studio (as of 2019) that mainly do support work. This is a very small remake as it comes, so I think Nintendo are fine showing off a new console before it releases. Another Code, while being very neat, is also a bit niche for most people, so the people who want to buy it are already gonna buy it day-one anyway. Not something for mass-appeal, y'know?
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Mario vs DK Remake and Another Code Remake being a big counter to the NG reveal ? This one wasn't on my bingo card
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Lmao. As I said, it was mainly brought up because someone will take issue if I didn't.
Idk, Mario vs DK could sell gangbusters, you don't know! /s
P4bl0
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I will put my tinfoil hat on and say that I believe you're a troll hired by Nintendo to spread funny takes and rumors about the Switch 2 haha.
No offense but I find it funny that you decided to drop your fanfic at the same time as LiC posted real evidence about T239 being the confirmed SoC while all the media outlets picked your clickbait story while ignoring the real facts, peak gaming "journalism" but that's probably my paranoia talking so don't mind me lol
Prime 4?
They will probably do some more x crossgen for years to come imo. If they can scale the game to get a decent version for Switch, there's little reason not to.
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Hey. No need for snark. They've done their bit, they admit when they're wrong, they post rumours when they hear them, nothing wrong with that.
How about those speaker imports, did you look up whether they happened in 2022 and 2021? If they did unfortunately then we know those are for OLED Model, if not, we can be sure they're for NG Switch! Get sleuthing!
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My expectation remains:
If it can run on Switch, it comes to Switch. But when I say "Switch game" here I mean launching on Switch only. Cross-gen is its own bag of worms.
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Nah I don't blame you.
I tried to make it clear it was only something I heard but it wasn't enough. Frankly people not taking me seriously is on the better end of what could've happened with my post.
P4bl0
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Yeah I've told him I was kidding and made it clear that was my paranoia talking
I've spent the whole day looking at import data yesterday so I need a break, I can't check the other pages data it requests a higher tier subscription around $3000 a year, wanna chime in ?
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Tbh, what will count as a cross-gen game is going to get very weird when we get to the Switch 2. Smaller titles probably, ports definitely, but there are going to be a bunch of weird cases.
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