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P4bl0 said:
Alright Fami I now have access to the B2B version of those import/data websites, let's have fun investigating:


New evidence from global import data now adds more fuel to the fire, potentially giving us significant clues about its development stages, reveal, and even release.

Timeline

  • July 2022: First known instance of 'T239 SW Development Platforms' being shipped from Nvidia to Nintendo in Japan.
    • Import Data: Four units arrive for 'Development and Testing purposes.'
    • Insight: T239 is confirmed to be the new SoC (System on Chip) for Nintendo Switch 2.
  • Late July 2022: Another batch of 'T239 SW Development Platforms' is shipped.
    • Import Data: Additional units are shipped.
    • Insight: This suggests that the internal testing phase is well underway.

  • May 2023: A sizeable batch of 'T239 SW Development Platforms' arrives.
    • Import Data: Four units are shipped.
    • Insight: As the number of units seems to be increasing, this could indicate that the development phase is nearing completion.
  • Late May 2023: Another batch arrives soon after.
    • Import Data: A few more units are shipped.
    • Insight: Rapid, consecutive shipments might be a sign of urgent testing or near-final adjustments.

  • July 2023: FOC ENG SW DEVELOPMENT PROTOTYPE BOARD IWOH FOR DEVELOPMENT AND TESTING PURPOSES shipped to Foxconn factory in China (Taiwan).
    • Import Data: Five units are shipped.
    • Insight: This could be the finalized version of the console headed for mass production as the declared value is matching the previous devkits. Note: T239 is not showing, and they tried to camouflage it as a Prototype Board but the HS Code (95045000) indicate video game consoles.
Previous Code Names and Teams

  • HOVI: The code name for the team behind the original Nintendo Switch.
  • IWOH: The code name for the team behind the Switch NG ?
Conclusion
The import data suggests a well-structured and phased development cycle for the Nintendo Switch 2 identical to the Switch 1 in 2016, aligning well with the rumors of a potential reveal in November 2023 and a release in March/April 2024.
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It's not releasing that early lol

They're starting production early to avoid the holiday launch being so supply constrained
 
Hartmann said:
Additional rumor says Nov. 3, 2024? ...Nov. 3 is a Sunday lol.
That is like saying it is fake.
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I will note that the release dates for the Wii U (Nov 18th 2012) and Wii (Nov 19 2006) were Sundays. That being said, it's a different era of Nintendo, so there's a good chance that "Track Record" doesn't mean much anymore.
 
Does it even make sense for developers to use the 'NG' codename while Nintendo internally calls it something else? Has that happened in the past?

The idea that Nintendo has a super secret codename for it that nobody but them knows strikes me as unrealistic— whatever the codename is is probably all over the devkit, both hardware and software.
 
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Lugia667 said:
I mean we will find out if P4blo is onto something or not relatively soon at least
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Frankly, I'd like to see mine and all the H2 2024 rumours be disproven if it means getting a system on our hands sooner than later.
I do wonder if other insiders are gonna comment on his findings though.
 
sailormoon said:
this back and forth is such a rollercoaster of emotions for me. are we back??? is it over??? i don’t know!
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The only thing new is the new shipment information we got (which was summarized by LiC):
LiC said:
Here's a summary of what I posted about the shipment listings across a few pages.

0: The original post, linking to a tweet from an unreliable Korean rumormonger that was screenshotting a publicly available website with a shipping/customs record related to T239, but providing no context for its apparent claim about T239 using 8nm.

1: Breaking down what the various terms mean in the T239 "test board" description I found while searching, and how it has nothing to do with the foundry/process node.

2: Responding to the screenshot of the "T239 SW development platform CARPA X1" description that was in the original tweet, which also has nothing to do with the foundry/process node, but is potentially interesting. I mentioned that someone else had already found this particular listing in September 2022, probably spurred by everybody discussing the Linux commits and the CPU cores.

3: Comparing to another listing for an RTX 4080 test board sent to the same company, confirming a 128-bit memory bus for T239 and also showing that test boards were being sent for some products even after they were publicly released. Clarifying why the original tweet probably wasn't supposed to be about about the process node anyway.

4: Identifying that all the shipments were between different branches of Nvidia, with all of them either coming from or going to their office in India. Showing that the dates for the "test boards" went from April 2022 to November 2022, and the dates for the "software development platform" went from July 2022 to May 2023, which matches up with the timeline we already inferred for physical production of T239 in 2022.

5: Clarifying how the part number for the "test board" is related to ones used for T234/Orin during its development.

6: Attempting to recap things because the discussion was already fragmented.

7: Explaining what a DDK (device driver kit) is as my guess for the "software development platform" shipments. Clarifying that Carpa is not the known codename of Nintendo's hardware or its motherboard.

8: Identifying devkit-related listings from during the Switch 1's development, and comparing to the T239 "software development platform" listing, suggesting that the latter could be shipments of devkits for Nintendo's new hardware.

9: I should probably make a hub post.

10: Yup.

11: You are here.
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Are we back or over? We got more info that the Dev kits have been swirling around since 2022. We still don’t know for sure if the new console has gone into mass production.
 
Skittzo said:
P4blo could very easily prove that he has something by responding to the many requests to look at previous years data but he has not done so.
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Oh no, the army of Nintendo ninjas took him. Watch out, anyone of us here might be next!

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SoldierDelta said:
I will note that the release dates for the Wii U (Nov 18th 2012) and Wii (Nov 19 2006) were Sundays. That being said, it's a different era of Nintendo, so there's a good chance that "Track Record" doesn't mean much anymore.
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Yes, Wii and WiiU were released first in the U.S., but a month later in Japan.
However, It should be kept in mind that Nintendo is now basically releasing their products on the same day worldwide, including Japan.
 
NG is commonly used to mean "not good"/"no-good" (as in "not allowed"). It's not ever going to be an official codename.
 
Skittzo said:
P4blo could very easily prove that he has something by responding to the many requests to look at previous years data but he has not done so.
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The conclusions seem like a lot of confirmation bias. Its good discovery work, but getting all excited and saying the system is in mass production, despite the fact that a lot of the points raised are just switch 1 stuff and nothing leading to switch 2, is a bit premature.
 
Hartmann said:
Yes, Wii and WiiU were released first in the U.S., but a month later in Japan.
However, It should be kept in mind that Nintendo is now basically releasing their products on the same day worldwide, including Japan.
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I sadly wasn't around much during that time, so I forgot about that detail. I think the only time the release date differences impacted my life was, like, Xenoblade Chronicles and that was about it.

That being said, yeah that's kinda fishy. It's not impossible, there are times where tradition can be broken for weird reasons, but we'll see.

God, it's been around 2 years of "We'll see" when it comes to discussing this system hasn't it. Please god can we see something Nintendo. How the hell did we get Xbox's next gen system (releasing in 2028 or smth) details before getting a more official hint from Nintendo's next device that's releasing next year?
 
qwerp said:
The conclusions seem like a lot of confirmation bias. Its good discovery work, but getting all excited and saying the system is in mass production, despite the fact that a lot of the points raised are just switch 1 stuff and nothing leading to switch 2, is a bit premature.
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Funny enough, someone on Era shared a similar sentiment regarding the findings. Interesting on their own, but not exactly a smoking gun for a H1 2024 launch.
Skies said:
I would look at the information as smoke that something is most likely happening (with Switch 2 dev kits/mass production) but I would take the date conclusion from that poster with an absolute grain of salt.
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Neoxon said:
Didn’t some people here already poke holes in their findings?
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Yeah but the data about the speakers can still be relevant if it can be shown that the timing or amount of them is substantially different from previous years.
 
Nintendo setting the exact launch day a full year in advance is already weird, but having a second exact day a month and a half later in case that "something goes wrong" is just absurd.
 
Individualised said:
To be fair, there is a chance that Nintendo used the term "NG" to refer to "our next console" to developers without it being used as a codename, they've even used "NNGC" before (meaning "Nintendo next generation console", not Next Nintendo GameCube or something like that) during early Wii talk. After all, yes Activision's documents that use the name "NG" were before their briefing with Nintendo but they had known that Nintendo was working on a new console in the first place, and maybe "NG" was used in very early communication.

In fact, guess what Nintendo would sometimes shorten "NNGC" to... "NG". Yeah.
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NNGC was actually used by Nintendo, but I think that NG/ng was only found in leaked source tree paths that came from BroadOn (a company in the US), not Nintendo. Either way, it's the kind of thing that only existed internally in Nintendo, not something communicated to third parties. We never would have seen it if not for the gigaleak. It's not something that would appear in an Activision e-mail.

I also think people forget the context of that e-mail, which uses the terms both as "Switch NG" and "NG Switch," which is not using it as codename at all, it's using it as "next generation Switch." In court, Bobby Kotick was asked about it and said it meant "next generation." It wasn't redacted by Nintendo. Nothing about it makes it look like a codename.
 
SoldierDelta said:
I will note that the release dates for the Wii U (Nov 18th 2012) and Wii (Nov 19 2006) were Sundays. That being said, it's a different era of Nintendo, so there's a good chance that "Track Record" doesn't mean much anymore.
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I am so glad that Nintendo moved away from Sunday releases for games and consoles. Sometimes it was a pain if the store didn't put out their copies and I had to ask for help. Don't get me wrong, I have all the respect in the world for retail employees as I've done it, but the last thing some poor minimum wage kid needed from me in the middle of a busy Sunday morning was asking to look in the back for something.
 
SoldierDelta said:
If you don't mind me asking, why was the "NX" codename shared so freely in comparison? Nintendo basically said "Hey we've got this system by this codename" from minute one, so why would it be different here?
Also the Activision Emails were a part of a series of unredacted emails, so there's a better than awful chance that the "NG" codename being shown was a mistake.

Edit: Unless this is referring to another leak of Activision emails that I didn't know about. Idk, that microsoft leak corroded my brain last month.
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Idea for you bro, contact your source for this leak and ask them what the code name of the console is. NO WAY they don't know this bit of info if they know the planned release date/prices/models.

Perhaps they don't want to leak that code name? That's fine, let them know it doesn't have to come out publicly. You just confirm it with another source and not share it out... Whatever code name they tell you, take that directly the people on this forum that know the code name in a DM for them to confirm and they can post "Yep! Might be legit leak cause they know to code name!" or not.

(Also, no shade but, I smell some fish with that Nov 3 date... Everyone on this thread are like "It's friday!" and a quick glance at Nov calendar, first Friday is the 3rd... post that... OOPS that was for this year not next... Sunday works too tho right? Hmmmmm.)
 
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Skittzo said:
He claims to have paid access to a website that the rest of us cannot access without paying.
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So either all of us are broke and unwilling to pay for a leak, or the information is just outright wrong.
This is really funny if I read this right.
 
Josh5890 said:
I am so glad that Nintendo moved away from Sunday releases for games and consoles. Sometimes it was a pain if the store didn't put out their copies and I had to ask for help. Don't get me wrong, I have all the respect in the world for retail employees as I've done it, but the last thing some poor minimum wage kid needed from me in the middle of a busy Sunday morning was asking to look in the back for something.
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Still stung how many times back in the day I was in school and Nintendo would release games on the last day of Spring Break
 
SoldierDelta said:
I sadly wasn't around much during that time, so I forgot about that detail. I think the only time the release date differences impacted my life was, like, Xenoblade Chronicles and that was about it.

That being said, yeah that's kinda fishy. It's not impossible, there are times where tradition can be broken for weird reasons, but we'll see.

God, it's been around 2 years of "We'll see" when it comes to discussing this system hasn't it. Please god can we see something Nintendo. How the hell did we get Xbox's next gen system (releasing in 2028 or smth) details before getting a more official hint from Nintendo's next device that's releasing next year?
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Anyway that is an interesting rumor.
I too have posted the Codename NG rumor before (the original rumor was in January of this year), so I can't completely deny it lol.
 
carbvan said:
We could do this ourselves and but did he even post a link for his source?
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Yea several of us has access to same websites and links has been shared too (check my previous comments)

The difference is p4blo has paid access but he’s also not the only one. LiC (or his friend, not sure) also has paid access.
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
Exact launch day but also says “but early November too” :p
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You know a rumor is legit when it comes with built-in base covering.

Hartmann said:
Anyway that is an interesting rumor.
I too have posted the Codename NG rumor before (the original rumor was in January of this year), so I can't completely deny it lol.
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That post was conveniently deleted and it can't be verified that it actually said NG in January.
 
Josh5890 said:
I am so glad that Nintendo moved away from Sunday releases for games and consoles. Sometimes it was a pain if the store didn't put out their copies and I had to ask for help. Don't get me wrong, I have all the respect in the world for retail employees as I've done it, but the last thing some poor minimum wage kid needed from me in the middle of a busy Sunday morning was asking to look in the back for something.
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I'm kinda thankful that I wasn't old enough at the time to really understand how international releases happened. Things just appeared when they did. I heard a stray note about Xenoblade Chronicles one day and went "Oh my god, can I has one". Fun time of my life.
Hartmann said:
Anyway that is an interesting rumor.
I too have posted the Codename NG rumor before (the original rumor was in January of this year), so I can't completely deny it lol.
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Seems like a very common rumour, to the extent that I fell for it. I am still very curious as how "NG" plays into all of this (I have doubts about the idea that it's just a name that third-parties use), but that's frankly something we'll have to see at a later point.
 
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necrolipe said:
The best thing regarding knowing the codename is the fact that we can tango down these kind of rumors

gg ez
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Frankly, I'm happy someone is able to come in and outright deconfirm it. I did have a look at the tweet you posted and, if you strongly believe that the information I got is wrong, who am I to disagree?

I'll just take my clown make-up and accept the reality of my goof.
 
LiC said:
That post was conveniently deleted and it can't be verified that it actually said NG in January.
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I remember seeing that thread on Baidu at the time, so I'm sure, but the thread has already been deleted, so I can't prove it. (The PS5 Pro rumor was also listed with it.)
Well, I don't particularly care.
 
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Skittzo said:
To develop games for Switch 1. EA is just jumping on board in a big way now, so adding more devkits is not at all surprising at this stage.
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You think?
It seems to me that, FIFA aside, they have now cooled down a bit. ☹️ They could have brought The Sims in any form over the years but they didn't bother, what other titles do you think are viable on Switch?
I think they're waiting for Switch 2 to "avoid" miracle ports.
 
Teal'c said:
I think they're waiting for Switch 2 to "avoid" miracle ports.
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For what it's worth, that is probably the case with a few other companies, including Atlus. They seemed very eager to port the Persona games, to the point of doing a reasonably impressive port of 5 Royal, but completely skipped with Persona 3 Reload. I still refuse to believe that Persona 3 Reload wouldn't be able to run on Switch if you put a little elbow grease into it, so I'm guess Atlus gave up and is waiting on the Switch 2.

Not entirely sure if that's true, but who knows.
 
Guys I’d rather not wait anything close to 365 days, so can we push the rumors a little earlier please
 
Lugia667 said:
if the Playstation discussio has tough me anything, it's going to be fun when we have the "STOP MAKING SWITCH GAMES NINTENDO" discussions, heck they kinda have already been happening
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Personally, I do want to see Nintendo keep support up on the Switch, but primarily how they've been handling it in recent years. Smaller games, ports and some remasters being released on the Switch is a good move, and a few early cross-gen titles is also smashing (namely Prime 4), but I don't want to see it be the case in Year 2 or beyond.
 
Lugia667 said:
if the Playstation discussio has tough me anything, it's going to be fun when we have the "STOP MAKING SWITCH GAMES NINTENDO" discussions, heck they kinda have already been happening
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wonder if there will be switch 1 directs in the switch 2 lifetime like how there were 3ds directs while the switch was out
 
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Edit: To be clear, I have not seen the SDK with the addition of new hardware. I'm just illustrating what I know is happening with the codename behind the scenes.

So here's the deal with the codename. Right now, a sizable number of people have access to SDK files that look like this, but with "NX" replaced by the new codename.

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It doesn't matter whether NG is or was a codename used for some other purpose, internal, early external communication, whatever. There is a codename that replaces "NX" and anybody with third party access or internal knowledge (SKU prices and release date (lmao)) would know it. And that's not NG.
 
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