StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

[ILikeFeet]

Is there any need for a Deck 2?

how Steam Deck will handle games in the coming years with its cpu is questionable

 

[Josh5890]

So do I but I just don't know what that looks like lol.

Same. I think that the future of Smash Bros is the biggest question mark for Nintendo right now on the software side. Whatever form the next iteration takes is a huge mystery.

 

[Bonejack]

ermitron2 in the General Discussion thread posted some new game announcements from Compile Heart.

And a lot of them have a curious "launch on unannounced platforms in summer 2024" sentence in their PR.

I want to believe this is a slight hint that ReDraketed will be out by then. Otherwise, it's Compile Heart, the games will definitely launch on PS, Switch and PC ... if this was the case for those games with that specific wording on launch too, why would they write it down like this?

Good point. We might see more “open-area” type of games instead of full, blown out open world or even open air

Imo, expand where it's useful, and improve otherwise where it's not.

And bring Wave Race back.

 

[ILikeFeet]

ermitron2 in the General Discussion thread posted some new game announcements from Compile Heart.

And a lot of them have a curious "launch on unannounced platforms in summer 2024" sentence in their PR.

I want to believe this is a slight hint that ReDraketed will be out by then. Otherwise, it's Compile Heart, the games will definiteyl launch on PS, Switch and PC ... if this was the case for those games with that specific wording on launch too, why would they write it down like this?

typical JP game announcements have no platforms listed

and Compile Heart is not a studio anyone should expect to be on new platforms day 1. they have no budget for that (or their own games)

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Really? Smash has not done "massive/deep cuts" or whatever since the start, sakurai himself has stated he hates to see characters cut because it means disappointing huge groups of people, ultimate outperforming expectations and being a key component of the switch's growth and we're now going back to "cut the roster into half"? What do people even offer to audiences by doing so?

A new game? There are always going to be upset people when a sequel isn't a superset of what came before (see: New Leaf diehards complaining about New Horizons), but the series doesn't usually crater because of it.

 

[pelusilla6]

Is there any need for a Deck 2?

I wish for a more powerful Deck, but tech isnt here thats why Valve said that a Deck 2 wasnt coming before 2025 (RDNA5?)

Im hoping for an OLED refresh with perhaps a smaller size.

Note: The same deck but with some tweaks like WIFI6 (thats why there is a new certification) is on the table too

Edit: bad quote

 

[Bonejack]

typical JP game announcements have no platforms listed

and Compile Heart is not a studio anyone should expect to be on new platforms day 1. they have no budget for that (or their own games)

Yet the first game announced in the PR flat out says:

... is a delivery-themed RPG for PlayStation 5, PlayStation 4, Switch, and PC. It will launch for consoles in Japan in summer 2024, followed by PC via Steam a little later.

;D

Lemme believe! ^^

 

[cheesecake]

A new game? There are always going to be upset people when a sequel isn't a superset of what came before (see: New Leaf diehards complaining about New Horizons), but the series doesn't usually crater because of it.

I'm asking what massive cuts/a reboot (something that seems to be very popular around these parts) even does for a sequel when the tradeoffs are as wishy washy as "moveset improvements", "netcode" and "ehh it's not sustainable eventually so now is the time to kill off what works and then -----".

And New horizons brought so much to the table it's not even compatible to "full reboot of smash".

 

[John Omaha]

I wonder how the scope of Nintendo franchises is gonna change with the Switch 2 being apparently four times more powerful than its predecessor.

Open world Luigi’s Mansion sounds interesting. It’s definitely a concept worth exploring

Probably lots of open world-ish stuff. Which is not necessarily a good thing.

 

[Kingpin Rogers]

Yeah as someone who isn’t a big fan of open world games for the most part, I hope we don’t see everything from Nintendo going open world.

 

[Deleted member 5146]

I mean what could the European Comission even do? There is no law that says servers have to be a certain qualitiy....anywhere

There may be a right to remedy pursuit involved here that could compel Nintendo to agree to have the Switches looked at by a third-party to determine if there's a hardware fault and repair it if necessary since neither were purchased more than two years ago and the connection problems only happen on their products, there's another avenue that because frequent and disruptive disconnections keep occurring during matchmaking and in-game with penalties for the player, then the provision of online service isn't being contractually fulfilled on their end and so a refund for the subscription so far can be requested

I inquired about this earlier and was advised to first of all contact Nintendo directly and ask to be taken through the steps to lodging a formal complaint with them and seeking resolution, and if (when) they don't respond to that then either make a formal complaint citing Directive 2019/770 to the local European Consumer Centre, or to submit a small claims application where a default judgement will be made against Nintendo if they don't respond to settle or counter within 3 weeks (this is how the defective Joy-Con disputes were resolved before it became an entire EU situation)

 

[Lancelot]

I wonder how the scope of Nintendo franchises is gonna change with the Switch 2 being apparently four times more powerful than its predecessor.

Open world Luigi’s Mansion sounds interesting. It’s definitely a concept worth exploring

There's more to power increases than increasing scope. I don't see Nintendo desperately turning everything they got into open world, they'd rather use it to make extremely pretty linear games. Just like Sony already did with their two biggest flagship titles, and those are already a nightmare to make in any case.

 

[casualreader]

Open world Mario Kart

I see more mario kart 99 tbh. same for the other licenses, battle royale would probably be more suitable for luigi.

 

[LinkURL]

Open world Mario Kart

Imagine a mix between Forza Horizon and Mario Kart.
As comical as it is, I would like to see it lol.

 

[monkeygotyou]

Imagine a mix between Forza Horizon and Mario Kart.
As comical as it is, I would like to see it lol.

bring back diddy kong racing

 

[Concernt]

Yeah as someone who isn’t a big fan of open world games for the most part, I hope we don’t see everything from Nintendo going open world.

Honestly if they do it well I'm all for it. I think Bowser's Fury has an amazing mix of open format and level based progression, and seeing that spread to other franchises would be great. What if Wave Race had one huge open water are you zip around to different bouys to start events? Or Splatoon 4's singleplayer, hubs and shops were all one continuous area you just walk and super jump around? With a fast travel menu in the style of a level select, of course, a-la Splatoon 3.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I'm asking what massive cuts/a reboot (something that seems to be very popular around these parts) even does for a sequel when the tradeoffs are as wishy washy as "moveset improvements", "netcode" and "ehh it's not sustainable eventually so now is the time to kill off what works and then -----".

What it does is not tie the developers down by having to deal with a massive amount of past content. The choices become either make the next thing a safe incremental upgrade so a lot of the old can be recycled, or doing something new and having to redesign ~90 legacy characters before you even start considering further additions.

 

[SpaceGodzilla]

"If" by that eventuality when we have super smash bros neo, the year is 2150 and we have a 300 man roster with subspace super duper redux, sure. But we're obviously far off from whenever that is and given how a huge majority is...first party? I really don't think that's the route you want to argue with.

And yea, the fans will understand. By not buying the game.

You really tring to pick I fight with anyone who thinks it's fine to have a decreased roster aren't you? The roster is important but it's no be all end all that determins it's success

 

[ziggyrivers]

ermitron2 in the General Discussion thread posted some new game announcements from Compile Heart.

And a lot of them have a curious "launch on unannounced platforms in summer 2024" sentence in their PR.

I want to believe this is a slight hint that ReDraketed will be out by then. Otherwise, it's Compile Heart, the games will definitely launch on PS, Switch and PC ... if this was the case for those games with that specific wording on launch too, why would they write it down like this?

hype intensifies

 

[LiC]

• E2423: This kind of looks like Nvidia's Tegra board product numbers, but with an E (engineering/early?) instead of P (production?). These product numbers are apparently not sequential.

On this point, I've found that E2421 and E2425 (also in concert with SKU1099) are product codes related to T234/Orin development boards or sub-modules or something. E2423 being used for T239 makes sense. They are more or less sequential, just in different categories.

 

[lemonfresh]

Rip linear games, but I am ready for this new era of nintendo

 

[cheesecake]

What it does is not tie the developers down by having to deal with a massive amount of past content. The choices become either make the next thing a safe incremental upgrade so a lot of the old can be recycled, or doing something new and having to redesign ~90 legacy characters before you even start considering further additions.

Smash has always taken stuff back from the melee days (a lot of animations/coding can be traced back then, even the newer characters have data based off past characters), so i really don't see where this is coming from. Like sure, Sakurai has mentioned before that he had a choice between overhauling the system vs bringing everyone back with the same engine, but if anything what happened to ultimate only pushes it into the latter.
Ask yourself this - is it worth cutting half the roster for graphical upgrades, especially when there's no sign they can't build off ultimate any further? And even so all this debate is somewhat pointless given the dev team's ability to prioritize bringing as many characters back as possible.

You really tring to pick I fight with anyone who thinks it's fine to have a decreased roster aren't you? The roster is important but it's no be all end all that determins it's success

You didn't really address my points, but i'm just really curious given the...somewhat celebratory certainty about it. Especially when there's nothing substantial that people can counteroffer to a massive gutting, when it's been over 2 decades and there's been no signs of mass cuts or anything.
Do you really think it's a coincidence the dev team and sakurai have consistently worked to avoid this? Or what do you think people play smash for?

 

[Truno]

Open world Wario Ware

 

[Deleted member 5146]

Rip linear games, but I am ready for this new era of nintendo

Just gonna say it, so many types of linear game for the most part are bloody woeful and are relics from the time movement on screen could only cover from left to right and up or down, which is why they seem to be more popular with elderly gamers (born ~1985 or earlier)

Nintendo's open-world Zelda formula is something that should keep being built up on whether it's true open-world or just open-zone to the point you may as well have been sucked into the screen because they've tapped into something genuinely special

 

[Josh5890]

Why doesn't anyone talk about the potential for an open world Nintendo/Wii Sports game? Bring back Wuhu Island in all its glory.

 

[MSnap]

typical JP game announcements have no platforms listed

and Compile Heart is not a studio anyone should expect to be on new platforms day 1. they have no budget for that (or their own games)

Compile Heart definitely did release some early PS5 games

 

[Concernt]

There may be a right to remedy pursuit involved here that could compel Nintendo to agree to have the Switches looked at by a third-party to determine if there's a hardware fault and repair it if necessary since neither were purchased more than two years ago and the connection problems only happen on their products, there's another avenue that because frequent and disruptive disconnections keep occurring during matchmaking and in-game with penalties for the player, then the provision of online service isn't being contractually fulfilled on their end and so a refund for the subscription so far can be requested

I inquired about this earlier and was advised to first of all contact Nintendo directly and ask to be taken through the steps to lodging a formal complaint with them and seeking resolution, and if (when) they don't respond to that then either make a formal complaint citing Directive 2019/770 to the local European Consumer Centre, or to submit a small claims application where a default judgement will be made against Nintendo if they don't respond to settle or counter within 3 weeks (this is how the defective Joy-Con disputes were resolved before it became an entire EU situation)

We stan someone who knows their consumer rights, but I wasn't aware those extended to NI at the moment! Was the Protocol that thorough? I'm almost impressed.

 

[cheesecake]

Just gonna say it, so many types of linear game for the most part are bloody woeful and are relics from the time movement on screen could only cover from left to right and up or down, which is why they seem to be more popular with elderly gamers (born ~1985 or earlier)

Nintendo's open-world Zelda formula is something that should keep being built up on whether it's true open-world or just open-zone to the point you may as well have been sucked into the screen because they've tapped into something genuinely special

To be fair, the classic Star Fox (the linearest of all linear games) have still proven to be a great rail shooter, so it's not like those kind of games have been held back from the limitations of their time. When there's a time for it, linear games can easily be lots of fun.

 

[Individualised]

Just gonna say it, so many types of linear game for the most part are bloody woeful and are relics from the time movement on screen could only cover from left to right and up or down, which is why they seem to be more popular with elderly gamers (born ~1985 or earlier)

Nintendo's open-world Zelda formula is something that should keep being built up on whether it's true open-world or just open-zone to the point you may as well have been sucked into the screen because they've tapped into something genuinely special

I actually geninuely mean this and am not trying to be antagonistic - are you joking?

 

[SpaceGodzilla]

You didn't really address my points, but i'm just really curious given the...somewhat celebratory certainty about it. Especially when there's nothing substantial that people can counteroffer to a massive gutting, when it's been over 2 decades and there's been no signs of mass cuts or anything.
Do you really think it's a coincidence the dev team and sakurai have consistently worked to avoid this? Or what do you think people play smash for?

1. Sakuria straight up said ultimate would be a one time deal because that many characters would be hell to do again.
2. Crazy I know but most people play smash because it's a good quality game to play that just so happens to star your favorite characters, if the characters were the main reason people brought it jump force would be the best selling anime fighter of all Time (spoilers: it isn't)

 

[Dark Cloud]

After playing Starlink, I have no interest in Star Fox going to full open world.

Let’s say you know Next Level Games or Nintendo EPD is going to develop the open world SF game. Would you be up for that? I think there’s something to be said when we look at what Ubisoft developed and what Nintendo EPD could do instead.

 

[ReddDreadtheLead]

Please no open world spam I beg….

 

[Dark Cloud]

Please no open world spam I beg….

I don’t need everything to be open world. I’m happy with whatever the developers come up with. I just wonder if Nintendo thinks going open world with some series will be beneficial after seeing the results of BotW.

 

[HankyPanky]

Is there any need for a Deck 2?

is there any need for a new iphone every year?

the hardware will be quite out of date by then so a new model would likely sell to many of the people who buy these sort of devices.

Nintendo's market is much larger but it would be nice if they thought about iterating the hardware in shorter timeframes than the standard 7-8 year generation. especially with how scaleable the software should be via DLSS.

 

[bixente]

Open world Tetris.

 

[MSnap]

Open world Tetris.

That could just be a game about grocery shopping

 

[Saturnman789]

I'll take a new smash game with a FOURTH of the roster of ultimate if it comes with actually good story mode! But especially gameplay changes would be really nice and bring some new energy to the series. (20s range might be a bit extreme though, 40~50 fighters would be better and more realistic)

They could honestly add a sse-like mode to an ultimate patch if they wanted too. But honestly I'd like something that plays differently from ultimate. Like I could always play ultimate already, especially if switch 2 has backwards compatibility.

 

[Deleted member 887]

A few more things about the shipping info. These websites want you to pay to access the data, but some more information can be searched up for free, and some redactions can be circumvented.

Most if not all of these T239 listings are being exported by NVIDIA Corporation and imported by NVIDIA Graphics Private Limited, which is Nvidia's branch in India. It's presumably due to customs requirements for India or just SOP for this specific company that these show up so consistently, while other kinds of Nvidia- or Nintendo-relevant shipping that one could imagine don't seem to.

If the dates are to be believed, Nvidia is frequently shipping them all kinds of stuff, including retail and test boards for products both before and after public release. For that reason, I don't think the dates are super meaningful, as seeing a test board or prototype in one of these listings demonstrably doesn't mean that product is currently still in development. But, just to document the relevant ones:

• 699-12423-1099-TS1 shipments are listed between April 27, 2022 and August 20, 2022
• 699-12423-1099-TS2 shipment is listed on September 19, 2022
• 699-12423-1099-TS3 shipments are listed on October 31, 2022 and November 10, 2022
• CARPA X1 shipments are listed between July 28, 2022 and May 30, 2023

These dates match up well with the implied timeline of T239 sampling (or otherwise physically existing) around April 2022, per the interpretation of some Linux commits by oldpuck and others, and being finalized sometime that year.

By the way, Carpa X1 has nothing to do with Tegra X1. Carpa is presumably a codename, but X1 is a common type of revision number which we know Nvidia uses (such as on the SDEV-CPU-X0 prototype board posted in this thread before; more Switch-related examples here).

So, what is Carpa? Based on the description of "T239 SW DEVELOPMENT PLATFORM CARPA X1," I speculated it could be another dev board with a DDK included. Well, the HSN code for the E2423 boards classifies them as basically just an electronic device in the "other" subcategory, but the code for Carpa puts it in the "video game consoles and machines" category. It would be tempting to assume this is related to Nintendo devkits, but Nvidia probably wouldn't primarily refer to those as a "T239 software development platform." I think it's possible it is another test board and/or DDK, and the HSN code is either just a bucket it got lumped into, or this could be for an actual Nvidia product such as a Shield TV. But even then, I feel like it would have a more identifiable codename and not mention T239 specifically in that case. So I'm not sure about this one.

One other difference to note is that the E2423 boards have China or the United States as their country of origin, while the Carpa shipments have Japan (all have India as the destination). The listings from China appear to be from NVIDIA Singapore Pte Limited, which is evidently in Hong Kong, not Singapore. The United States and Japan COO listings are supposedly both exported by NVIDIA Corporation.

I have utterly lost the plot - what is this a follow up to?

 

[BassForever]

After playing Starlink, I have no interest in Star Fox going to full open world.

Starlink being mid due to being designed like every other Ubisoft open world game doesn't mean that Star Fox wouldn't thrive in a more open world game. Take inspiration from Star Fox 2 and you could make something really special.

 

[Lancelot]

Rip linear games, but I am ready for this new era of nintendo

They should be a thing either way, not every team can afford to have an open world, let alone wants to prioritize one. You all need to keep in mind this is a choice, open world design might be denser and bigger... But also less curated around the edges. If Next Level Games, Retro Studios, etc want to blow us away with more linear games spending T239's entire power on the visual department, why stop them? Bigger worlds will always come with a compromise.

 

[Deleted member 887]

If you’re conversation about a future game has gone on for more than three or four posts, please stop.

I don’t know a goddamn thing about Smash and plowing through a dozen pages about a video game I’ve never played makes it hard to follow the hardware conversation that is actually the purpose of this thread.

 

[brutaka3]

typical JP game announcements have no platforms listed

and Compile Heart is not a studio anyone should expect to be on new platforms day 1. they have no budget for that (or their own games)

Compile Heart definitely did release some early PS5 games

Yeah, Neptunia ReVerse released in Japan just a month after the PS5.

 

[LiC]

I have utterly lost the plot - what is this a follow up to?

It started with a bad tweet by our favorite Korean rumormonger, based on customs data aggregator sites, which I broke down a bit in a few posts (1, 2, 3, and the one you quoted).

People read the tweet as "8nm is confirmed for T239," which is totally unsupported by these listings, but I think what they really meant was "T239 (which is 8nm [per kopite]) is confirmed" because they literally don't know/care about all the evidence we already had for T239's existence. But, there were still a few interesting tidbits to glean from the shipping listings, so I was going over those.

 

[Hosermess]

Just gonna say it, so many types of linear game for the most part are bloody woeful and are relics from the time movement on screen could only cover from left to right and up or down, which is why they seem to be more popular with elderly gamers (born ~1985 or earlier)

Nintendo's open-world Zelda formula is something that should keep being built up on whether it's true open-world or just open-zone to the point you may as well have been sucked into the screen because they've tapped into something genuinely special

lol ok ignoring the use of the term "elderly", a game being 3d or open world doesn't automatically make it good or even non-woeful.

 

[Josh5890]

Let’s say you know Next Level Games or Nintendo EPD is going to develop the open world SF game. Would you be up for that? I think there’s something to be said when we look at what Ubisoft developed and what Nintendo EPD could do instead.

Starlink being mid due to being designed like every other Ubisoft open world game doesn't mean that Star Fox wouldn't thrive in a more open world game. Take inspiration from Star Fox 2 and you could make something really special.

So the big detractor for me in Starlink was the dumb resource gathering tasks. I'll be honest, I've never been big about those kinds of missions and I am even less of a fan with crafting. The last think I want to do in a Star Fox game is fly around for resources so I can build a damn space port. I want to fly my arwing to shoot down bad guys and take out big bosses.

I'll be open minded if someone else making an open world Star Fox game gets announced, but I am skeptical right now.

 

[BassForever]

So the big detractor for me in Starlink was the dumb resource gathering tasks. I'll be honest, I've never been big about those kinds of missions and I am even less of a fan with crafting. The last think I want to do in a Star Fox game is fly around for resources so I can build a damn space port. I want to fly my arwing to shoot down bad guys and take out big bosses.

I'll be open minded if someone else making an open world Star Fox game gets announced, but I am skeptical right now.

Star Fox 99

99 Arwings battling through space or on different massive planets till only one remains

 

[Giancarlo]

Black and White Remake in an HD2D style would be incredible. Hell, just remaster the original games. Imagine seeing the animated pokemon portraits in battle but they aren’t pixelated.

Game Freak is too imcompent to do a good game nowadays

 

[Multiverse]

I would expect BW/2 remakes to be cross gen with better loading times, resolution and online experience on next gen, and nothing else. I hope they wise up and don't do a STRICTLY BDSP chibi style remake, and go with something like LGPE for graphics and movement.

However, perhaps, maybe, MAYBE, what's happening is BW/2 launches with DS NSO within a week of Legend's Kyurem.

Yeah, I'll keep dreaming, but I do expect DS to eventually come to NSO (Expansion Pack), and Pokémon mainline games... eventually joining across the various NSO generations. Honestly I wouldn't be too mad about a mediocre remake of a good game if they ALSO provide access to the original.

With the 3DS Pokémon games, I'm expecting remasters, not remakes. Not even just faithful, straight up the same games.

If my speculation holds through(true?), once DS NSO is out, NSO is done adding dedicated console apps and will start distributing "full" Switch games, starting with remasters and remakes in the first year, then year one Switch games the next, etc., building up to a "Nintendo Pass" style service in 2030.

Has Pokémon ever been cross-gen anything? They’ve spoken out about refusing to support new untested consoles esp around launches.

 

[Danny]

Smash has always taken stuff back from the melee days (a lot of animations/coding can be traced back then, even the newer characters have data based off past characters), so i really don't see where this is coming from. Like sure, Sakurai has mentioned before that he had a choice between overhauling the system vs bringing everyone back with the same engine, but if anything what happened to ultimate only pushes it into the latter.
Ask yourself this - is it worth cutting half the roster for graphical upgrades, especially when there's no sign they can't build off ultimate any further? And even so all this debate is somewhat pointless given the dev team's ability to prioritize bringing as many characters back as possible.


You didn't really address my points, but i'm just really curious given the...somewhat celebratory certainty about it. Especially when there's nothing substantial that people can counteroffer to a massive gutting, when it's been over 2 decades and there's been no signs of mass cuts or anything.
Do you really think it's a coincidence the dev team and sakurai have consistently worked to avoid this? Or what do you think people play smash for?

I think the reasoning is that its not sustainable for Nintendo in the long run to have the same third party characters every time due to licensing deals so that part of the roster will have to change from time to time. I think its fine if they keep the same Nintendo characters mostly but change out some third party guest characters and replace them with other new third party characters.

Its not a weird notion, fighting games change out characters all the time from game to game and replace them with other characters.

 

[carbvan]

The day Nintendo ditches linear games would be a very sad day. Even Sony is out here still making linear games and they've fallen deep into their own AAA cinematic formula. Zelda is like their only franchise doing it right now and going full in on that formula for everything would mean Nintendo's lost the plot more than even Ubisoft, who is going back to making linear games like with Assassin's Creed Mirage.