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lemonfresh said:
if the screen is lcd I wonder if people will wait until the oled model is out to upgrade and just stick with the oled switch 1 until then
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Meelow said:
I hate to be that guy but...Link (from Zelda) to post?
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Wan on mobile so that’s why I didn’t link right away.

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the question is if they make a new smash how do you one up ultimate. The tagline was literally "everyone is here" how do you do better than that They either add onto the current roster for the next several games until they feel the need to reboot the series, or reboot the series now. With...
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Paraspikey said:

I know Centro's track record is iffy, though this isn't their information. It comes from "Riddler_Khu.". It looks like Black and White remakes could happen next year.
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A little more context (YT Video)

If this is accurate, then I think this means the launch of new hardware isn't in November 2024, which is the probable month such games would be released (They tend to have yearly mainline releases, it's been three years since BDSP, the team who worked on that could easily be "ready" to release another set of remakes next year.). I don't see them releasing a system the same month we get these remakes. They've never launched a system with a mainline Pokemon game before, let alone a remake of one. I think people either heard or are expecting the 3D Mario to be the launch game if it isn't Prime 4, and I don't think they would want to cram a 3D Mario, Black and White remakes, and a new console release in the same month, especially if they want to avoid stock problems. I don't think people were expecting it to be in November anyway, for the most part.

If Riddler_Khu has a spotty history as well, please let me know. I'm pretty sure they don't, but I'm not entirely sure.
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it's pokemon. that all but means we're getting Drake in 2024. Pokemon has a history of having a game release on old hardware the same year new hardware comes out


I went back and watched the Qualcomm UE5 presentation again. I wanted to see if there was a glimpse at the Dragon Alley resolution and unfortunately, there wasn't. at best, they were targeting Lumen render times similar to desktop Epic settings (¼ rpp). so if we had to assume they're using the same 688p as the Artifact demo, then they're rendering lumen at 344p. this is pretty much my expectation for mobile RT, so it's good to see this in practice

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Paraspikey said:

I know Centro's track record is iffy, though this isn't their information. It comes from "Riddler_Khu.". It looks like Black and White remakes could happen next year.
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A little more context (YT Video)

If this is accurate, then I think this means the launch of new hardware isn't in November 2024, which is the probable month such games would be released (They tend to have yearly mainline releases, it's been three years since BDSP, the team who worked on that could easily be "ready" to release another set of remakes next year.). I don't see them releasing a system the same month we get these remakes. They've never launched a system with a mainline Pokemon game before, let alone a remake of one. I think people either heard or are expecting the 3D Mario to be the launch game if it isn't Prime 4, and I don't think they would want to cram a 3D Mario, Black and White remakes, and a new console release in the same month, especially if they want to avoid stock problems. I don't think people were expecting it to be in November anyway, for the most part.

If Riddler_Khu has a spotty history as well, please let me know. I'm pretty sure they don't, but I'm not entirely sure.
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It’s exactly what I’ve been arguing since last month: March reveal, June showcase, September release. That way Nintendo stays out of Pokémon’s way.
 
darthdiablo said:
Wan on mobile so that’s why I didn’t link right away.

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the question is if they make a new smash how do you one up ultimate. The tagline was literally "everyone is here" how do you do better than that They either add onto the current roster for the next several games until they feel the need to reboot the series, or reboot the series now. With...
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This does make sense, though; why keep advertising the Wii U and 3DS on the back when they are so far gone at this point, especially since both online services are ending in April.

I think they just rebranded it to make it future-proof.
 
Meelow said:
This does make sense, though; why keep advertising the Wii U and 3DS on the back when they are so far gone at this point, especially since both online services are ending in April.

I think they just rebranded it to make it future-proof.
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Aye. So they don’t repeat the same mistake during stretch between March 2017 to May 2017.
 
Concernt said:
Black and White remakes being "authentic" and cross gen would be basically poetic, hahaha.
But what on earth will they do with Black and White 2, release them seperately? As DLC? Included as a ridiculously long post game?
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is Pokemon Company really be indecent to ruin the best gen of the franchise? yes they will be
 
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Neoxon said:
It’s exactly what I’ve been arguing since last month: March reveal, June showcase, September release. That way Nintendo stays out of Pokémon’s way.
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That’s in your head, it doesn’t mean it will be the reality so using words like “exactly” is out of touch
 
Ghostsonplanets said:
Oh no. No, no, no, no, no. No, God, please no. NO!!!!!!!!

Imagine remaking the most ambitious 2D Pokémon game on f........ BDSP style. I cannot even fathom such thing happening. Black and White needs a Legends like GFX remake and a 3rd game to finish off the loose points. If GF does a cookie cutter remake, I'll be soooooooo mad.
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There was a big backlash on BDSP's chibi art style so it would be surprising if they repeated it.
BDSP was arguably a success at ~15 million sales which is pretty in line with DPs original release and ORAS.
The benefit of being handled by a different developer is that it frees up Game Freak's resources, but I don't think they want to give out creative liberties hence the cookie cutter approach where the 3rd party is only focusing on technical not creative aspects.

There hasn't been a pokemon game launch at the same time as a console before, but I think that's been a mistake in the past.
I remember the massive controversies about GF taking so long to release a game on the 3DS.
A lot of the areas in BW were designed as 3D, so it could also be a decent (but not breathtaking) showcase of the new hardware.
 
Neoxon said:
It’s exactly what I’ve been arguing since last month: March reveal, June showcase, September release. That way Nintendo stays out of Pokémon’s way.
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theres always a Pokemon game in novembre, just because Nintendo might launch it next hardware next year, do not exclude a Pokemon game in novembre
 
Regarding the size, I think the Switch transitioned from handheld size (i.e., fits easily in hands and your pocket) to portable size (i.e., you can easily transport it to different locations like a laptop). I think the whole "it's truly console gaming on the go" came from the bigger screen and more powerful internals enabled by a bigger console.

I'm in agreement that they could go larger with the Switch Next as well, bc they're no longer focused on making handheld consoles that have keychain holes attached. They make something that feels comfortable to an iPad user, which has a larger range. They've already gone a bit bigger with the SWOLED, and I won't be surprised if the Asus ROG Ally is the new form factor.
 
I fully expect the next set of Pokémon releases to be on Switch 1, next gen patches if we are lucky. But I doubt a Pokémon release month has any bearing on a new console release.

"Authentic/Original" might feasibly mean the original dragon, but in the context I do feel like it means a safe ILCA style BW remake. (Or maybe a straight and basic Remaster/Release of the DS game released at discount, probably not)

At any rate I doubt it precludes a Legends Gen 5.

There was backlash against the execution of Chibi style, but I don't think pokemon fans dislike Chibi in and of itself, the presentation of BDSP was uniquely poor. I feel like with a very large amount of refinement ILCA could get a decent looking Chibi Gen5 out, especially because its their second attempt and hopefully they have more time/resrouces (I at least expect all the extra bugs and collision issues to be fixed).
 
darthdiablo said:
Yeah. And I’m saying the console branding being removed, in combination to November 10 restocking, strengthens the theory that it’s tied to something even more. Doesn’t have to be an imminent announcement.

Keep in mind nobody was supposed to know about November 10 restocking. And also nobody was supposed to know about the branding change as well.
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Bingo, and I agree. It's fun knowing things we're not supposed to. How was the branding change leaked, anyway?

Edit: Oh, so it was the same as the restocking leak?
 
P4bl0 said:
That’s in your head, it doesn’t mean it will be the reality so using words like “exactly” is out of touch
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It’s pretty much the common consensus everywhere else based on what was reported & Furukawa’s recent comments, at least the general idea of the second half of next year is.

On top of the reputable trades that I’ve discussed already, said Furukawa comments specifically mentioned the Switch 1 being the focus for this fiscal year. If they were going to pivot at the last month, they would’ve been a bit more coy about their wording.
 
P4bl0 said:
Not true, you just ignoring everything about H1
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Mostly whispers from people here about production schedules & older reports that predate the big drops.

Giancarlo said:
theres always a Pokemon game in novembre, just because Nintendo might launch it next hardware next year, do not exclude a Pokemon game in novembre
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I’d imagine that Nintendo would want to put some space between the new system & Pokémon, plus there’s the presidential election in November that’ll take up all the news.
 
Paraspikey said:

I know Centro's track record is iffy, though this isn't their information. It comes from "Riddler_Khu.". It looks like Black and White remakes could happen next year.
Original Source
A little more context (YT Video)

If this is accurate, then I think this means the launch of new hardware isn't in November 2024, which is the probable month such games would be released (They tend to have yearly mainline releases, it's been three years since BDSP, the team who worked on that could easily be "ready" to release another set of remakes next year.). I don't see them releasing a system the same month we get these remakes. They've never launched a system with a mainline Pokemon game before, let alone a remake of one. I think people either heard or are expecting the 3D Mario to be the launch game if it isn't Prime 4, and I don't think they would want to cram a 3D Mario, Black and White remakes, and a new console release in the same month, especially if they want to avoid stock problems. I don't think people were expecting it to be in November anyway, for the most part.

If Riddler_Khu has a spotty history as well, please let me know. I'm pretty sure they don't, but I'm not entirely sure.
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Paraspikey said:

I know Centro's track record is iffy, though this isn't their information. It comes from "Riddler_Khu.". It looks like Black and White remakes could happen next year.
Original Source
A little more context (YT Video)

If this is accurate, then I think this means the launch of new hardware isn't in November 2024, which is the probable month such games would be released (They tend to have yearly mainline releases, it's been three years since BDSP, the team who worked on that could easily be "ready" to release another set of remakes next year.). I don't see them releasing a system the same month we get these remakes. They've never launched a system with a mainline Pokemon game before, let alone a remake of one. I think people either heard or are expecting the 3D Mario to be the launch game if it isn't Prime 4, and I don't think they would want to cram a 3D Mario, Black and White remakes, and a new console release in the same month, especially if they want to avoid stock problems. I don't think people were expecting it to be in November anyway, for the most part.

If Riddler_Khu has a spotty history as well, please let me know. I'm pretty sure they don't, but I'm not entirely sure.
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Seriously, though, I expected the Gen 5 remakes to be next. Also, Khu has gotten things wrong, before.
 
Neoxon said:
Mostly whispers from people here about production schedules & older reports that predate the big drops.


I’d imagine that Nintendo would want to put some space between the new system & Pokémon, plus there’s the presidential election in November that’ll take up all the news.
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Eurogamer literally said that Nintendo is "keen to launch the system sooner [than H2] if possible." That is literally part of the "big drop." You're proving p4blo right.
 
History will repeat itself and we'll get Black and White on Switch, and then next year we'll get Black and White 2, which will be the final major games released on the old hardware

Like poetry, it rhymes
 
Neoxon said:
Nothing’s wrong with only doing one game per generation. Hell, Street Fighter does that while also starting from scratch each time.
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One game a generation is cool. Just make it not the same game again.
darthdiablo said:
If November 10 restocking isn’t tied to anything then it would make it pretty odd.
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As basically an amiibo outsider: is it too simple to say they're restocking for the holidays, and the specific ones being restocked are due to demand?
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
As basically an amiibo outsider: is it too simple to say they're restocking for the holidays, and the specific ones being restocked are due to demand?
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They've never done a restock simply for the Holidays unless it relates to a Holiday game. Zelda restocks in September 2019 for Links Awakening, Wedding Mario restock for Mario and Sonic 2020 in November 2019, Smash restocks for Smash Ultimate in June 2018 - January 2019. Mario and Zelda restocks in September 2020 for Age of Calamity and Mario's 35th anniversary. The list goes on.
 
Hocot8 said:
Eurogamer literally said that Nintendo is "keen to launch the system sooner [than H2] if possible." That is literally part of the "big drop." You're proving p4blo right.
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i mean "keen to launch the system sooner" doesnt prove H1 right either, because is an intention and not a fact as of right now, things could change and Nintendo doesnt have the opportunity to do so. I feel if people want to think is H1 will be the release is completely valid but a comment of a "possible" plan is not evidence people can hang off because it comes of a possibility and a lot of factors we dont know could impact the overall decision of when they will release it, is as much speculation as people thinking it could be a release H2
 
Neoxon said:
I’d imagine that Nintendo would want to put some space between the new system & Pokémon, plus there’s the presidential election in November that’ll take up all the news.
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They launched the Wii U in November 2012, which was an election year. I don't think Nintendo will care too much lol
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
As basically an amiibo outsider: is it too simple to say they're restocking for the holidays, and the specific ones being restocked are due to demand?
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That would make it the first time ever an amiibo restocking was not tied to announcement or event.

It's very well possible nothing will happen, but that would be breaking with what has been a consistent pattern.
 
Neoxon said:
It’s pretty much the common consensus everywhere else based on what was reported & Furukawa’s recent comments, at least the general idea of the second half of next year is.

On top of the reputable trades that I’ve discussed already, said Furukawa comments specifically mentioned the Switch 1 being the focus for this fiscal year. If they were going to pivot at the last month, they would’ve been a bit more coy about their wording.
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I think this can be taken in any way people want it to, though I don't think "focus" should be taken as "exclusively," considering they also say the same thing with their direct wording sometimes, and then the show ends up mostly having games dated for 2024 cough cough. Let's say it launches in March. The FY was still focused on Switch software releases since the probable launch game in a hypothetical March launch, being Prime 4, will also be for Switch anyway.

In fact, it's a bit weird they said "focus" and not something like "exclusively."

I am starting to think March is a little bit too soon, but I'll probably keep on flip-flopping until we reach early November. If we don't get anything before or on November 7th, I'll probably be convinced it'll be a September release.
 
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Neoxon said:
Mostly whispers from people here about production schedules & older reports that predate the big drops.
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The whispers have been saying production starts in December.

If we want to estimate based on Switch 1 timeline: the production for Switch 1 reportedly began October 2016, the same month Nintendo announced Switch. Switch released 5 months later.

So 5 months after rumored December production would make it a May release. So maybe March is the blowout month?

Here's my range - assuming March is relevant somehow with Switch 2's launch timeline:

OPTIMISTIC: November announcement, January blowout, March release
MIDDLE GROUND: November announcement, March blowout, May release
PESSIMISTIC: March announcement, Summer blowout, September launch

The announcement range: Between November to March
The blowout range: Between January to summer
The launch range: Between March to September
 
ItsukaKasuga said:
i mean "keen to launch the system sooner" doesnt prove H1 right either, because is an intention and not a fact as of right now, things could change and Nintendo doesnt have the opportunity to do so. I feel if people want to think is H1 will be the release is completely valid but a comment of a "possible" plan is not evidence people can hang off because it comes of a possibility and a lot of factors we dont know could impact the overall decision of when they will release it, is as much speculation as people thinking it could be a release H2
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I never said it was a fact. Lets not put words in my mouth lol.

Neoxon said that H1 chatter is simply whispers about production schedules here and old reports. I'm saying that's factually untrue with proof via Eurogamer. Nothing more than that. Don't twist it as if I didn't comprehend what the words meant in the article.
 
Paraspikey said:
I think this can be taken in any way people want it to, though I don't think "focus" should be taken as "exclusively," considering they also say the same thing with their direct wording sometimes, and then the show ends up mostly having games dated for 2024 cough cough. Let's say it launches in March. The FY was still focused on Switch software releases since the probable launch game in a hypothetical March launch, being Prime 4, will also be for Switch anyway.

In fact, it's a bit weird they said "focus" and not something like "exclusively."

I am starting to think March is a little bit too soon, but I'll probably keep on flip-flopping until we reach early November. If we don't get anything before or on November 7th, I'll probably be convinced it'll be a September release.
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Agreed. Even if the Switch 2 launches with a full exclusive in mid-March, the "focus" for 11.5 months of the fiscal year would still have been on Switch titles.
 
darthdiablo said:
The whispers have been saying production starts in December.

If we want to estimate based on Switch 1 timeline: the production for Switch 1 reportedly began October 2016, the same month Nintendo announced Switch. Switch released 5 months later.

So 5 months after rumored December production would make it a May release. So maybe March is the blowout month?

Here's my range - assuming March is relevant somehow with Switch 2's launch timeline:

OPTIMISTIC: November announcement, January blowout, March release
MIDDLE GROUND: November announcement, March blowout, May release
PESSIMISTIC: March announcement, Summer blowout, September launch

The announcement range: Between November to March
The blowout range: Between January to summer
The launch range: Between March to September
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I wouldn't really call anything "Pessimistic" or "Optimistic". It's such a short timeframe between one another that overlaps so much to the point where it doesn't really matter. It's just nice to know we will, at the very least, see this thing by March 2024, so we only have a 6-month wait at MOST.
 
I don't know where to ask but...

Do you think that if the current Switch outsells the PS2 and DS and becomes the most successful console of all time (in terms of sales) would be a selling point for the Switch 2?

Do you think it's something Nintendo is interested in?
 
FernandoRocker said:
I don't know where to ask but...

Do you think that if the current Switch outsells the PS2 and DS and becomes the most successful console of all time (in terms of sales) would be a selling point for the Switch 2?

Do you think it's something Nintendo is interested in?
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I doubt the Switch 2 will release PS2/DS levels by next year (2025 is very likely), Nintendo will very likely tweet "Nintendo Switch is now the best selling system ever released) But I think that's it.
 
lemonfresh said:
if the screen is lcd I wonder if people will wait until the oled model is out to upgrade and just stick with the oled switch 1 until then
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It’ll be tough, but the Switch’s LCD is still pretty good. Better than the Steam Deck’s anyway. Still, I hope they launch with an OLED so I don’t have to upgrade down the line.
 
FernandoRocker said:
I don't know where to ask but...

Do you think that if the current Switch outsells the PS2 and DS and becomes the most successful console of all time (in terms of sales) would be a selling point for the Switch 2?

Do you think it's something Nintendo is interested in?
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Sounds like a selling point for Switch 1.
 
Hocot8 said:
I never said it was a fact. Lets not put words in my mouth lol.

Neoxon said that H1 chatter is simply whispers about production schedules here and old reports. I'm saying that's factually untrue with proof via Eurogamer. Nothing more than that. Don't twist it as if I didn't comprehend what the words meant in the article.
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i dont say it is you, but i have seen a lot of argument of people going back and forth using the article as source to make one possibility more valid than the other when both are valid as right now, P4blo jump first when nexon said "exactly" when he was talking about his own opinion not saying it was a fact either, even what Eurogamer said is just a possibility because they never stated it was anything else than a consideration from Nintendo part, what Eurogamer said could be end up being true or not, but still not even themselves are sure of is what will end up happening so still everything is open to end up happening
 
ReyVGM said:
Poor NateDrake. No matter how many times admins say not to tag Nate, he probably still has to deal with dozens or hundreds of unnecessary tags every time he logs in.

I mean, you aren't even asking him a question, so why tag him?
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So he can correct me if I am putting words in his mouth that he never said.
 
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