you think all these PC handhelds cost as much as they do because they're greedy?...wait, do you all not want consoles to die?
you think all these PC handhelds cost as much as they do because they're greedy?...wait, do you all not want consoles to die?
steam went so far in keeping the price of the Steam Deck down that they described their pricing model as "painful"you think all these PC handhelds cost as much as they do because they're greedy?
This isn't really the place to talk about Sony/Xbox, and I know this isn't a popular take, but Gamepass is not here to stay. It has a ton of hurdles to overcome before it is truly profitable, hurdles that I don't think it can overcome. And that is on top of the subscription bubble that is going to pop eventually, which will hit gamepass hard.
I also think it is strange the concern here is for Sony when the PS5 is selling much, much more than Xbox Series, and PS5 is ahead of PS4 sales, but Xbox Series is behind the Xbone.
I don't really think any of them need to worry about Apple, for a lot of different reasons. But if any of them do, it certainly isn't Sony.
The main culprit for long loading times on Switch is decompression. The internal storage is already 6+ times faster than game cards, but the gap in loading time is quite small.So physical Switch 1 games would still be limited by cartridge speed, right? I hope there’s an option to install games then
Apple is about the marketing hype...we already have RE: Village running on Apple hardware natively and it's impressive with the m1 pro/max variants but base m1/M2 gaming is underwhelming.A17 is a neat chip. Apple could potentially be a player in the console space.
But if they wanted to do that, it would be more cost efficient to buy Ubisoft than to moneyhat AC:M
considering that game is also on PS4, definitelyCould we get visuals like Horizon: Forbidden West on the next-gen switch?
Apple is about the marketing hype...we already have RE: Village running on Apple hardware natively and it's impressive with the m1 pro/max variants but base m1/M2 gaming is underwhelming.
Unless the a17 chip is better than the m1 chip. Console equivalent in apple speech could mean it runs 1080p 30fps with metal FX on...
Apple is about the marketing hype...we already have RE: Village running on Apple hardware natively and it's impressive with the m1 pro/max variants but base m1/M2 gaming is underwhelming.
Unless the a17 chip is better than the m1 chip. Console equivalent in apple speech could mean it runs 1080p 30fps with metal FX on...
In theory something similar. It’ll be like Zero Dawn plus some at the very least compared to base model PS4.Could we get visuals like Horizon: Forbidden West on the next-gen switch?
Especially if it's running the Matrix demo without noticeable downgrades. If it can even run that, it can run everything with the exception of the highly CPU bound.In theory something similar. It’ll be like Zero Dawn plus some at the very least compared to base model PS4.
In general yes the next gen switch should finally be able to handle all of the open or semi open world games similar to stuff like GTA, Assassin’s Creed, Monster Hunter World, FFXIV, Forza Horizon, Horizon, Star Wars, Destiny, Division etc as examples.
Again, his commentary was speculative.This post was made after I heard Rich from DF suggesting that the game was running internally at 1080p on the target hardware. However, in an article that came up after this video was available in early access, he refrained from giving an internal resolution saying instead that it could be anywhere north of 720p.
So, the figures given here are moot.
It's also important to keep in mind that game was leaked to cost around 212 million... Even with the hardware being leaps and bounds over the PS4, Nintendo still has to fund the likes of those games (talking about first party, that is).Could we get visuals like Horizon: Forbidden West on the next-gen switch?
Didn't Breath of the Wild cost around $120 million?It's also important to keep in mind that game was leaked to cost around 212 million... Even with the hardware being leaps and bounds over the PS4, Nintendo still has to fund the likes of those games (talking about first party, that is).
And, like I said, Apple could be a very interesting player in the space. But that didn't change just because they launched a $1000 phone with a few ports.Not doing something today does not mean you won't do it tomorrow.
MetalFx is an API that does include upscaling features called MetalFx Upscaling or for short metalfx.considering that game is also on PS4, definitely
since it's using MetalFX, what's the internal resolution?
EDIT: watched the MetalFX segment of that video. holy fuck that's bad. that is not temporal upscaling, my dude (the person in the video seems to think so)
No. This is a strange meme that came from a misquote of something Miyamoto said.Didn't Breath of the Wild cost around $120 million?
I think Apple's thought process is that they don't want to make dedicated hardware. quite frankly, they don't have to. the Apple TV makes for a compelling console as is, same with their PCs. they just need to incentivize people to make games and buy them thereI think the biggest takeaway from the A17 Pro is that it highlights what we already knew - arm can do a lot at low power.
A 20% performance boost over last year for their Pro phones isn't that significant, i'm a bit more interested in how it's "more energy efficient for sustained performance while gaming" but they didn't provide figures.
Apple has historically had a very difficult time trying to break into the gaming market, and I think they would have to at least show tens of billions of dollars in investments to get a more compelling catalog of games, porting a few old AAA games and a prettier honkai star rail won't cut it.
Compared to REDACTED, iphone has these problems for gaming:
If they put serious investment into it and solve most of these problems, it could be a threat, but they'd be looking at timelines where they would be competing against the Switch 3 not 2.
- No physical media
- Storage is a premium and has to compete with other apps/media
- No thoughtful controller system - how do I play on a desk, couch, bus?
- Docking/connecting to TV
- Price of not just the device, but all the accessories you would want/need
- Fragmentation of different iphone models
- Metal vs RTX/DLSS
- GAMES
I have them all, and Xbox gets the absolute least usage. Both Nintendo and PS are equally good. Both give great value in 1st party, 3rd party and Indies. Xbox on the other hand has a lot to catch up to. They just came out with Starfield which looks like it's a banger, finally. But they're still a long way. They need a lot more consistency over time. Game pass is not unparalleled. It's ok, but I hardly even touch it. I play much more NSO and PS+ games in comparison.I kinda agree.
PS definitely has great games. If you're ONLY into over-the-shoulder-camera cinematic gaming twice a year, go for it. It also has a few 3rd-parties which you pay full price for.
In terms of ecosystem value, Nintendo, with their very diversified output and great indie ecosystem, and Xbox with Game Pass which is unparalleled in value and diversity, are just a few steps above, IMO.
Switch/Game Pass is best combination I ever had, and I tried them all.
I’ve never seen a post receive so many replies holy cowNintendo should be worried now, a phone can run very demading games natively
I've heard those "Game Pass is a money sink" comments over and over.
They don't make sense to me.
There are maybe around 25M subscribers. Between first subscriptions, deals and tricks, each pays maybe around $120 a year.
That's $3B every year.
(After Starfield, there probably a lot more subscribers right now)!
Considering maybe around 30% tax, around $2B remains.
They have to run services and maintain servers. I have no idea how much it costs, let's say $300M, which is a lot. $1.7B remains.
Do they spend $700M every year on 3rd-party deals? That seems like a fucking lot!!!! But let's assume it, $1B remains.
How much did Ragnarok cost to develop? $200M?
The money that's left is enough to fully pay for 5x Ragnarok ... every year ... plus $700M for other deals.
(And they get big sums from collector editions and early plays, despite being on Game Pass).
Let that sink in.
They also announced RE4 and Mirage.Apple is about the marketing hype...we already have RE: Village running on Apple hardware natively and it's impressive with the m1 pro/max variants but base m1/M2 gaming is underwhelming.
A17 Pro the Metal FX runs on the NPU, not the GPU like the M1/M2. It should be greatly impoved on the A17 Pro and later the M3.EDIT: watched the MetalFX segment of that video. holy fuck that's bad. that is not temporal upscaling, my dude (the person in the video seems to think so)
Did they confirm it for the lower end models or only the 1000 or up models?Yes, for 800 dollars, you can have it at home, one for each member of the family-
Or just one for the whole house as if it were a console bought exclusively to play for 800 dollars.
You will also have the incredible pace of third party game releases supporting the iPhone (note the irony).
...wait, do you all not want consoles to die?
unless these companies give actually numbers theses are just ancedotes though. Switch sells around what 60-70k a week in Japan atm. The queston is if these PC handhelds can do that or are they just stuck with hardcore enthusiats
I’m commenting twice I’m sorry, but GPU wise Drake is on Shader count better, having more. Cache, the Apple silicon is better having more, RT capabilities remain to be seen on the Apple silicon so I think it’s best to wait on that. API sophistication is probably a tie between them, Nvidia and Apple are no slouch when it comes to that. Memory Bandwidth Drake would or should be better unless Apple is doing a 128b interface. Memory Amount, Drake should be better. CPU wise Apple is significantly better.But spec wise, how does it compare to Switch 2? I imagine it's at least 2x better.
I think there was a digital foundry video a year or so back on why it might not be able to do it in handheld. Granted they were talking about a orin chip and not the T239No reason why it couldn't.
Wait, were you serious?...wait, do you all not want consoles to die?
This thread needs more . DK, Yiga Clan… Yeah, bananas! The official fruit of Nintendo.Can we stop derailing this thread with talk?
haha. evil of you to let the forum brew for quite a bit wondering if you were serious, till you finally said no...
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...no
Take a bite...Can we stop derailing this thread with talk?
MetalFX Quality is temporal while MetalFX Performance is spatial according to DFconsidering that game is also on PS4, definitely
since it's using MetalFX, what's the internal resolution?
EDIT: watched the MetalFX segment of that video. holy fuck that's bad. that is not temporal upscaling, my dude (the person in the video seems to think so)
Pretty sure that's mushrooms.This thread needs more . DK, Yiga Clan… Yeah, bananas! The official fruit of Nintendo.
Mushrooms aren't a fruit.Pretty sure that's mushrooms.
Pretty sure that's mushrooms.
Mushrooms are fruit?Pretty sure that's mushrooms.
team sour( as i stated severals times and many membre here too, anouncing next hardware soon, would impact Switch holiday sales heavily.It's the 13th now in Ireland which means the Direct announcement is only 13 hours away!
Just for the craic, should we weigh in on the likelihood of an NG Switch confirmation or an October 'join us for a very special event' message at the end of it?
(Team Spicy)
Yes:
(Team Sweet)
Maybe:
(Team Sour)
- Jafin
- Concernt
- Meself
No Chance:
the Resident Evil 4 Remake, Elder Ring, Devil May Cry 5, Kingdom Hearts 3,so if you guys had a top 10 prediction or even wanted list of what current/previous gen 3rd party games you guys would like to see on SW2, what would it be?
Psychonauts 2, KH3, Planet Coaster, (can this count?) Disney+.so if you guys had a top 10 prediction or even wanted list of what current/previous gen 3rd party games you guys would like to see on SW2, what would it be?
I don't think anyone has said it's "true" yet. It's nothing more than a rumor to my understanding.Was the rumour about FFVII Remake coming to next-gen switch true?
This has to be the most bizarre post in this thread and I’ve read many bizarre posts in here.I think you guys are REALLY underestimating Apple this time. Just rebutting some points I read on this page.
1- "Price". Yes, the iPhone 15 Pro will be at least 2x more expensive than the Switch 2, but that never stopped Apple from selling more iPhones in 1 YEAR than Nintendo has produced Switches since 2017. These phones are already ultra-popular playing mobile games, Having console-level games will only increase its appeal. It's 1200 dollars to take a portable video game + all the functions that iPhones already do today.
2- Smartphones have always been more powerful than the Switch. This is partly true, but until then this power had never been used to its full extent, now we are seeing games that are at console level running on these machines, at least 6 months before Nintendo launches its console that has the biggest selling point (outside the exclusives) would be exactly that.
3- "Controls": iPhone controls better than Joy-con are nothing new.
4- "Battery": perhaps the most dubious factor so far, however the A17 Pro will be produced on a node that we wouldn't even dream of having in Drake, that is, it will be more energy efficient, and with access to fast charging and perhaps even a bigger battery than the one present in the Switch 2.
5- "Temperature": this first interaction will certainly be the A17 Pro's Achilles heel, but what about in 2 or 3 years? We will have an even more powerful and efficient chip.
This will be just the first iteration of an iPhone with access to AAA games, and they still managed to deliver before the launch of the Switch 2. We will see more and more games and with each generation the distance to Nintendo's hardware will increase.
Great masterstroke by Apple that only continues to enrich its ecosystem. Mac, iPhone, iPad and Vision Pro all sharing the same software and same hardware, unfortunately this is not something Nintendo can compete with.