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Nate has already said earlier he's not addressing RAM in this video, but that 8GB does not apply from what he's heard
 
Cybergatuno said:
Not if it's Mediatek developing the chip using Nvidia's IP.

Mediatek has always been using ARM CPUs and ARM Mali or PowerVR GPUs, but recently they partnered with Nvidia to enter the infotainment market.
I don't think they would sign a deal without extensive R&D before-hand.

Some of their chips are already on TSMC's 4nm.
They're actually well ahead of Nvidia when it comes to mobile SoCs.

Nintendo "could have" cancelled t239 when they heard Mediatek had a better chip close to finalization.
I think Mediatek would be very happy to share some of those R&D costs and bring-in a new client.

It's all speculation of course and t239 is probably our guy, but those 5% of doubt keep nagging me.
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Mediatek isn’t using Nvidia GPU in their SoC, they are using a dGPU
 
Bonejack said:
I don't even want to imagine the black magic Nintendo's own teams would be able to do with tools like DLSS and a whooping amount of 16GB at their hands.

Like ... how hard can they go and school others?
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imagine smash bros on switch 2 really looking like their CG movies that are the ultimate/smash 4 trailers and the smash ultimate story cutscenes... 🤩
 
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I don't think 16GB vs 12GB would make all that much of a difference, RAM speed will always be a bigger concern than the overall amount.
 
Skittzo said:
I don't think 16GB vs 12GB would make all that much of a difference, RAM speed will always be a bigger concern than the overall amount.
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I would say both are equally important. With Series S amount is the biggest issue.

In a world where the Series S didn't exist I would say absolutely go for 16. A lot of devs had issues with the Switch having less ram than the other consoles.

But in a world with the Series S 12 is more than fine.
 
I think a lot of people have forgotten about Nvidia's texture neural upscaling tech that allows for compression of high res textures so that they don't use as much VRAM. This will very likely be a tool ready to use by the time Switch NG comes out. So even if the RAM usable by games is only about 10gb, the textures will be able to be compressed, leaving room for more VRAM and System RAM split.

www.techspot.com

Nvidia details Neural Texture Compression, claims significant improvements over traditional methods

One of the hottest topics at the moment is centered around modern AAA games and their system requirements. Both the minimum and recommended specs have increased, and...
www.techspot.com www.techspot.com
 
Dude_lookinatleak said:
I think a lot of people have forgotten about Nvidia's texture neural upscaling tech that allows for compression of high res textures so that they don't use as much VRAM. This will very likely be a tool ready to use by the time Switch NG comes out. So even if the RAM usable by games is only about 10gb, the textures will be able to be compressed, leaving room for more VRAM and System RAM split.

www.techspot.com

Nvidia details Neural Texture Compression, claims significant improvements over traditional methods

One of the hottest topics at the moment is centered around modern AAA games and their system requirements. Both the minimum and recommended specs have increased, and...
www.techspot.com www.techspot.com
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Sony Santa Monica talked about neural upscaling for God of War and they made it work for select texture maps. Expanding on that could make for some good savings if the upscale is fast enough
 
Dude_lookinatleak said:
I think a lot of people have forgotten about Nvidia's texture neural upscaling tech that allows for compression of high res textures so that they don't use as much VRAM. This will very likely be a tool ready to use by the time Switch NG comes out. So even if the RAM usable by games is only about 10gb, the textures will be able to be compressed, leaving room for more VRAM and System RAM split.

www.techspot.com

Nvidia details Neural Texture Compression, claims significant improvements over traditional methods

One of the hottest topics at the moment is centered around modern AAA games and their system requirements. Both the minimum and recommended specs have increased, and...
www.techspot.com www.techspot.com
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This article is extremely bad and completely misunderstands the paper.

This paper is about a hypothetical compression technique for saving storage space, it says nothing about saving RAM (because you still have to decompress it).

This compression and decompression technique is also extremely computationally expensive and is probably 15 years away from being viable.
 
Bonejack said:
The tech market should've reached this point before Wii times, imagine what we could've had.
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I have already imagined but home tech and mobile tech progress were not at the same level.
Nintendo did not sell well the GC and was really hesitant.
Mobile tech evolution was really fast especially IN COVID era ( During and more after )
 
lemonfresh said:
Could All Switch 1 games running on switch 2 have better framerates, or do they need to be patched in to do that?
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Only direct benefit without any outside dev work would be games with unlocked framerate being able to run a bit better due to more power avaiable.

For everything else, you need devs to work on it.
 
Discostew said:
But still, the price for how much space is on these Type A card is ridiculous for an all-age gaming system that you're also buying games for. Folks would probably rather stick with current microSD as non-runnable storage for Drake games where they'd need to copy to internal.
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Maybe that’s why they are giving 512GB to storage at most :p

So you can buy eventually
 
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Josh5890 said:
Why is everyone concerned about RAM? If Nintendo launches with only 6 or 8 GB, I'm sure we will have the option to download more RAM later on.
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The problem is that, like the knowledge needed to access OG Zelda's 8th dungeon, the download is exclusive for Nintendo Power subscribers. That's why we are concerned.
 
Josh5890 said:
Why is everyone concerned about RAM? If Nintendo launches with only 6 or 8 GB, I'm sure we will have the option to download more RAM later on.
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because 6/8GB of RAM memory, would make extremely hard to develop games on Switch sucessor, developers are already frustated due to Xbox Series S low memory, at least 12GB RAM, should be on Nintendo next hardware
 
You lot haven't tempered your expectations enough. It's not realistic to expect Nintendo and Nvidia to outperform 10 year old consoles with weak CPUS (even though they did with Switch 1), it's unfathomable to imagine them using upscaling tech to boost the system's visuals (even when they've been using upsampling techniques in their own games). They don't care about multiplatform ports (even though that's been a major boon to the Switch's library). Nintendo will go out of their way to design a weaker system even if it's more expensive to supply, because they hate you and love 24 hours of battery life. Ignore everything else suggesting otherwise.
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
Mediatek isn’t using Nvidia GPU in their SoC, they are using a dGPU
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They announced this year they would use Nvidia IP for automotive infotainment:
www.mediatek.com

MediaTek and NVIDIA Automotive Partnership | Computex 2023 Press…

At Computex 2023, MediaTek announced a partnership with NVIDIA to deliver a complete range of in-vehicle AI cabin solutions for the next generation of software-defined vehicles. MediaTek’s CEO Rick Tsai took the stage with NVIDIA’s founder and CEO Jensen Huang to announce the collaboration, which…
www.mediatek.com www.mediatek.com

Then there were claims that partnership could extend to smartphone and laptop chips:
finance.yahoo.com

Good news, gamers: Nvidia and MediaTek are teaming up for new mobile GPUs

MediaTek’s next processor might pack an Nvidia GPU, signaling that Team Green could be getting serious about mobile games.
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All of these announcements/rumors happened this year but they probably did a lot of research before-hand last year.
It kinda lines up with the rumors of devkits being recalled and a Nintendo project being canceled.

Mediatek being at the forefront of mobile tech:
www.mediatek.com

MediaTek successfully develops first chip using TSMC 3nm process

MediaTek has achieved a technological breakthrough by developing the first chip using TSMC's advanced 3nm process. Set for mass production in 2024, this marks a significant milestone in the long-standing strategic relationship between MediaTek and TSMC. This partnership combines the strengths of…
www.mediatek.com www.mediatek.com
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World's fastest LPDDR5T mobile DRAM is ready for MediaTek's next-gen…

MediaTek and SK hynix have collaborated to verify that SK hynix's new LPDDR5T (Low Power Double Data Rate 5 Turbo) is ready for MediaTek’s next-generation flagship mobile platform. LPDDR5T is the latest development in mobile DRAM technology and is currently capable of achieving record-breaking…
www.mediatek.com www.mediatek.com
And probably also 5G and Wifi, they would be a far better partners than Nvidia for Nintendo, if they integrate Nvidia's IP right.

Nvidia are focused on their datacenter/GPUs businesses, they may want to license their IP for mobile, that's also why they wanted to buy ARM.
Mediatek is investing in mobile AI and RT:
corp.mediatek.com

MediaTek and Unity China Collaborate on Raytracing and Generative AI…

MediaTek and Unity China Collaborate on Raytracing and Generative AI Solutions to Create a New Standard for Next-Generation Mobile Gaming Experiences
corp.mediatek.com corp.mediatek.com
A partnership with Nvidia makes a lot of sense.

Nvidia, Mediatek, Nintendo and others could be rallying behind a single software stack and framework, instead of each developing their own chips.
 
quelseydilla said:
We out here bois
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Concernt said:
Less than 1GB. Like 800MB?
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I can't quickly pull up the interviews, but early dev interviews gave conflicting figures, between 3.2GB to 3.5GB available to games IIRC. So your 800GB sounds right.

Maybe someone who has worked on Switch games can chime in and clarify

Edit: Found references of 800GB for OS in the comments section of this Nintendo Life article talking about Emily's report on Switch. There's references to the 3.2GB available for games.
www.nintendolife.com

Nintendo Switch to Reportedly Include 4GB of RAM

Interesting, but there are lots of provisos
www.nintendolife.com www.nintendolife.com
 
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