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There will not be a "TOTK Deluxe". There will be a next gen patch and a reprint.
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There will not be a "TOTK Deluxe". There will be a next gen patch and a reprint.
110% certain. Those texture units accelerate intersection testing, like thr RT cores on Intel and Nvidia. What they don't do is accelerate BVH traversal or ray sorting. That's handled by the shader cores and is why they are so down on RT performance.
ertaboy356b
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if the AR VR headset is true, Nintendo will probably make a simple but clever version of it (more akin to the 3DS) and not a bleeding edge one like what current exists in the market.
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But the texture units can't do their original job while doing this. That is why I made a difference to Nvidias Cores.
That hasn't been shown to be a detriment for AMD. The bottleneck for ray tracing is still bvh construction amd the time it takes to shade the pixels after ray hit tests. And there's nothing stopping accelerators from being multi-functional. Just like how Nvidia's tensor cores do non-tensor/machine learning work
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Props to you for posting this.
SoldierDelta
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You do not know how high i'd pile the bodies in order to achieve a series of next-gen patches for the Xenoblade games. Genuinely my biggest "This isn't needed, but goddamn i want it" for a potential Switch 2.
casualreader
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Aha. I take your point. Apologies that it sounded like that.
Was just giving my humble opinion that operating under the assumption that the ppl who write like that are unaware how they sound is flawed (again, in my view), and how to deal with it.
As far as the mods being wrong how to treat such issues, we'll see how things turn out: if we see no more message of that kind from the ppl under scrutiny, then they ll be right, otherwise means they ll have been wrong, whichever happens the problem will be solved. At the end of the day, think people need to understand that it s just videogames we re talking about, and respect should prevail over anything else. Good day !
TechnicalTip6578
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i mean hey same boat lol, adding in BOTW+TOTK, Splat 3 & other good first party games as well
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I've held off on the following for my Switch 2 über patches:
Xenoblade 3
ToTK
Bayonetta 3
Pikmin 4
Ajimi
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Nearly sixty yeahs, you're all crazyFollow-up on this since people seemed interested, here's a picture
Cheers Fami !
Edit: FORTY-FOUR YEAH for a photo of a packaging Arceusdammit
Small update : today we received Mario, Peach and Ganondorf (Smash series), all with the new back. We also received an Inkling (Splatoon series) with the old back, so it's not a generalized thing yet.
ShaunSwitch
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Question to you lovely people.
There has been accusations of AMD forcing devs to not adopt DLSS in AMD sponsored titles as per John Linneman Comments.
What impacts, if any, do you think this will have on Switch 2 games having DLSS support? For example AMD sponsors a new multiplat game, does not have DLSS on pc, do you think it will have DLSS on Redacted?
There is no excuse for games to not support all three up scaling technologies given the required inputs and implementation is similar. So it grinds my gears a little that this money hatting is still going on, could really suck for drake games.
There has been accusations of AMD forcing devs to not adopt DLSS in AMD sponsored titles as per John Linneman Comments.
What impacts, if any, do you think this will have on Switch 2 games having DLSS support? For example AMD sponsors a new multiplat game, does not have DLSS on pc, do you think it will have DLSS on Redacted?
There is no excuse for games to not support all three up scaling technologies given the required inputs and implementation is similar. So it grinds my gears a little that this money hatting is still going on, could really suck for drake games.
SoldierDelta
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I feel like Nintendo would have a contract with third parties saying "If you're going to put a game on our platform, you're going to have to use DLSS". If that isn't the case, there's a better than awful chance that some third parties will remain at 1080p or lower, or they'll attempt to use FSR and get mixed results on the device itself.
Regardless, this has the potential to really suck.
Stefan51278
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I don't think many games will be sponsored by AMD, in the past it was Nvidia, who used these tactics. On Switch NG it will be easy to implement DLSS and most studios will try this before investing more money than needed in optimizing the game for the Switch hardware. The feature will also be included in all big engines like Unreal and Unity.
This will have no impact on Drake. This is only a PC thing and AMD seems to be walking it back anyway
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Technically they don’t have dedicated hardware for RT, they have hardware that can do it but that’s not dedicated for it. Intel and Nvidia have cores dedicated solely for RT, AMD hasn’t made the area investment for that like nvidia and let alone Intel. They had extra logic for some of the TMUs to handle some aspects of RT but they don’t really have dedicated hardware. Still being ILRT.
I wonder if Nvidia gave Nintendo a BVH builder or something to offload the BVH to for Drake on the silicon
Or some other customization for making RT more feasible…. besides giving them MIMD which isn’t happening anytime soon.
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I don't have much insight about marketing and such, but compared to the actual name of the console, how important would the branding and logo be?
Like, let's say they go forthe better name "Super Nintendo Switch" and while it communicates quite clearly, it somehow isn't as effective as "Switch 2".
In this case, to how degree could they compensate with the logo and its color for instance?
There was a clear distinction between 3DS which kept the actual Nintendo red color, and Wii U with light blue.
Now the Switch has kept the Nintendo red all along, do you think the successor will go a very different direction in this regard?
Something that might send a clear, instant message of "this is a new generation Switch"?
You also have my permission to rate my profile pic that took me way too long to make for what it is, lol
Like, let's say they go for
In this case, to how degree could they compensate with the logo and its color for instance?
There was a clear distinction between 3DS which kept the actual Nintendo red color, and Wii U with light blue.
Now the Switch has kept the Nintendo red all along, do you think the successor will go a very different direction in this regard?
Something that might send a clear, instant message of "this is a new generation Switch"?
You also have my permission to rate my profile pic that took me way too long to make for what it is, lol
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Fourth: Xenoblade Chronicles X DE
I would say i'd sell my car for that, but I am selling my car for different seasons.
I'm honestly at this point where I don’t have a clue what Nintendo will end up doing. Hardware aside, we have damn near nothing known about the system. I do agree that “Switch 2” would be the easiest, and most straightforward solution to communicate effectively with consumers. But knowing Nintendo, they don't just do straightforward.
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Thats allways the scary and worrying part about Nintendo.Fourth: Xenoblade Chronicles X DE
I would say i'd sell my car for that, but I am selling my car for different seasons.
I'm honestly at this point where I don’t have a clue what Nintendo will end up doing. Hardware aside, we have damn near nothing known about the system. I do agree that “Switch 2” would be the easiest, and most straightforward solution to communicate effectively with consumers. But knowing Nintendo, they don't just do straightforward.
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Three months actually.
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I agree it looks bad. It meets the presumed goals of removing mention of Wii U and 3DS (confusing for many customers) and being super flexible in which platforms are supported (which could even include smartphones if they wanted, I guess?)
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Actually, there are more "straightforward" successors to Nintendo systems than outliers like the Wii. ^^
NES -> SNES -> N64 -> GCN were pretty straightforward.
GB -> GBC -> GBA were too.
Now, of course, every of those systems had it's unique points that other systems from that time didn't have, but generally Nintendo only said "fuck it" to the tech race starting with the Wii. ^^
kvetcha
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Mods should probably update the ban text.
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The bolded is a significant assumption with no evidence to confirm it. Meanwhile, we know from the last hardware transition that 3rd-parties absolutely dragged their feet on (a transition that also notably came with a massively larger labour investment in order to develop games) that the time from hardware launch to games being near-entirely PS4/XBO-only was 3 years. We are now approaching the end of PS5's 3rd year and the future release calendar that we know of is still absolutely littered with "AAA" cross-gen titles by comparison all the way into year 4, with the number of PS5/XBS-only titles being somewhere less than 10, well under half of all PS5 "AAA" 3rd-party software releases. PS4 had all but completed the phase-out of cross-gen by this moment, at a time when there was notable and confirmed reluctance towards the next generation at the time.
Making a game PS5-only, even if it started as a PS4 project, would make logical sense given the sales figures for PS4 software by 2020, as it would also significantly shorten development time to cut the dead weight of a PS4 SKU from a sales and development perspective. Games start development on hardware from the prior cycle and then get transitioned up to being made only for the new hardware cycle all the time; again, FFXVI is a prime example because the developers outright said that's what they chose to do.
One of AMD's hardware partners sure find their solution lacking compared to Nvidia's, or else they wouldn't be considering developing their own chip to do it better/more like Nvidia does.
PandaAndino
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3ds can run at x3 in actual switches so 2x for next switch will be disappointingShamelessly dropping my DS flipgrip + joycon concept from a few months back
The idea was adding a mic function to the the R joy-con since the Switch itself doesn't have one
Haven't made one for the 3DS but I can see a future where DS comes to Switch + Successor and 3DS is exclusive to successor (especially if the new console has a camera built in). Does anyone think 3DS games could be rendered in at least 2x resolution?
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Switch 2 Wahoo
AMD and ray tracing is a story I want a deep dive on. they were there when the standards were proposed but did nothing to really push it. either they were confident that no one was gonna go hardware like nvidia did or they were afraid their lack of research was really gonna show
Giancarlo
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first party games or also games funded by Nintendo like Bayonetta 3? it would be excelent if Bayonetta 3 got patched to run at a constant flawless 60fps
Invincible2020
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I am really starting to think that Switch 2 really could be something more unique! Not just more power. Maybe with niatic testing the AR route we could get AR/VR on this next gen and if not straight away what if that's something that's coming. How much power would be needed to make switch 2 work along the same scales as say the 1st Quest? Just imagine Nintendo games in VR or giving you an AR element. I think it truly speaks when all the Nintendo veterans including the president say that this next gen needs to let you play in another unique way that you never have on previous Nintendo consoles. Its as someone said, impressive!
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Do what they did for consoles like Super NES and GB Advance.
- Different console body e.g. shape, size, color
- Different controls e.g. layout, additional inputs, or changing the feel and color of the buttons
- Difference in cartridge shape, size, and color
- Distinct boxart and logos with emphasis on the new moniker (Super, Advance)
- Clear marketing highlighting the new console appearance, controls, and exclusive titles that couldn't run on the previous console, alongside whatever new features
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That isn't a reason to not go with Switch 2 though.
Super Nintendo Switch, or any other name, is just needlessly confusing compared to Switch 2.
And it's not like PlayStation invented putting a 2 on the second version of a product.
I really hope Nintendo doesn't feel like they have to do something "unique" or "creative" or "Nintendo-like" with the name and end up shooting themselves in the foot for no reason
If they have a new concept for the new console, of course they go with a new name that fits. But if it's a new Switch, it has to be Switch 2.
kvetcha
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Does any other console manufacturer use the sequential naming system? Nintendo suddenly adopting it feels like an implicit creative surrender, and that is very much not something their current market position demands.
BDGAME
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Agree. They can put a name that show something new that only that machine will have, like the incredible and totally new 64 GB game cards. But how name it?
Nintendo swUtch
And I'm out.
And I'm out.
Giancarlo
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the Switch sucessor will be named acording to the console main concept, like 3DS: dual 3D screen, or Switch itself meaning is a console you can switch/change between severals ways to play the games
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I get it, but if there isn't some new gimmick to center the marketing around, and the system is mainly just a new, better Switch, it makes sense that they'll want to lean on the existing strength of the brand with an iterative name. Which is why their going with something like Super Nintendo Switch or Nintendo Switch Advance or Nintendo Switch Next seems to track.
Of course, being Nintendo, they might just surprise us. Switch 2 just feels like both the least interesting and least Nintendo path they could take.
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Serious question:
Assuming Nintendo names the next Switch the Super Nintendo Switch, what would they name a third one? Ultra Nintendo Switch? Nintendo Switch 3?
Assuming Nintendo names the next Switch the Super Nintendo Switch, what would they name a third one? Ultra Nintendo Switch? Nintendo Switch 3?
Saturnman789
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I think my favorite path across the maze we call life for them to embark on would be to see them come up with a new name entirely. Not only would it be something creative and fun, but also gets the point across that its a new console just as well if not even better than "switch 2" does.
"Nintendo Infinity" "Nintendo Fusion" "Nintendo Hybrid" "Nintendo Centauri"
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"But...but...le switch branding???"
The giant NINTENDO on the box already does the job swimmingly! People bought the switch for the "nintendo" not the "switch"
"Nintendo Infinity" "Nintendo Fusion" "Nintendo Hybrid" "Nintendo Centauri"
etc
"But...but...le switch branding???"
The giant NINTENDO on the box already does the job swimmingly! People bought the switch for the "nintendo" not the "switch"
Kackle
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The problem with "Super Nintendo Switch" is that it isn't future proof. What if they want to continue the Switch branding for another generation after this? They'll have a difficult time making those transitions make sense.
Like it's easy to tell that "Super Nintendo Switch" is better than "Nintendo Switch"........but it's much harder to communicate that "Ultra Nintendo Switch" or "Nintendo Switch Advance" will be better than "Super Nintendo Switch". It it a new generation? A refresh? The name wont tell you
Calling it Nintendo Switch 2 is clear, it communicates exactly what it needs too, and there's no chance someone can get confused that it's the next thing they need to buy.
Look at the examples on the market right now. Microsoft trips everyone up with confusing names possible for every device, you get people asking "Whats the Series X vs One X vs the Series S?" whereas Sony can just slap the next number on the box and call it a day.
The reason it worked for previous generations were that they had drastic graphical and form factor updates. You can tell a GBA is better than a GBC just from looking at it, but that's not really possible anyone since graphics will hit dimishing returns at some point, if they havent already. A lot of folks already cant tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, and the hybrid factor makes it so that they all need to have roughly a similar form factor too.
Like it's easy to tell that "Super Nintendo Switch" is better than "Nintendo Switch"........but it's much harder to communicate that "Ultra Nintendo Switch" or "Nintendo Switch Advance" will be better than "Super Nintendo Switch". It it a new generation? A refresh? The name wont tell you
Calling it Nintendo Switch 2 is clear, it communicates exactly what it needs too, and there's no chance someone can get confused that it's the next thing they need to buy.
Look at the examples on the market right now. Microsoft trips everyone up with confusing names possible for every device, you get people asking "Whats the Series X vs One X vs the Series S?" whereas Sony can just slap the next number on the box and call it a day.
The reason it worked for previous generations were that they had drastic graphical and form factor updates. You can tell a GBA is better than a GBC just from looking at it, but that's not really possible anyone since graphics will hit dimishing returns at some point, if they havent already. A lot of folks already cant tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, and the hybrid factor makes it so that they all need to have roughly a similar form factor too.
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Switch Advanced? It is the same boat Microsoft is in with Xbox naming conventions. Put a list on the wall and throw a dart.
Sony and Apple have demonstrated that Name_Number works fine and Apple has demonstrated that Name (year/gen as a secondary name) is good enough too. Switch 2 would be fine.
I would argue that such branding is fine for most people; however it isn't clear for "blue ocean" customers like parents and that may matter. One would assume that Nintendo is absolutely focus group testing branding and messaging strategies.
I'm curious if we'll ever find out if there are games that truly consistently sell hardware other than Pokemon as opposed to being high attach rate software like Mario Kart.
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I doubt they would name it Super Switch or Super Nintendo Switch because of the abbreviations
SS = Nono
SNS = Social media in Japan
Unless it’s SNSW which makes it quite confusing, we either getting Switch X or a brand new name
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The Wii U stung so hard Nintendo is not going to risk a name that invites confusion. They could have named the OLED model something cute like the 'Nintendo Switch Vivid' but didn't. 'Switch 2' lets them easily name future Switch consoles '3', '4', etc. The Switch brand is defined by 'Switching' and having a myriad of hardware features, adding AR/VR or wireless streaming doesn't make it 'not a Switch'. It made sense to move on from brands like the Game Boy, DS, Wii, etc., while 'Switch' feels timeless and relevant.
If Nintendo wants some 'oomph' in their console title they are free to name it Super, Ultra, Advance like how TV streaming boxes and phones are named, and make it really obvious it is next-gen. I'm sure people were confused by the Game Boy Advance but they were vastly outnumbered by the folks who understood 'yes, this is the new Game Boy that I need to play the new Pokemon'. Give people a little bit more credit.
The most prominent elements on the front of the Switch box are the logo, the 'Switch' name in a larger font size, and a picture of the console. The brand is extremely strong, I never hear anyone calling it a 'Nintendo Switch' in real life, just 'Switch'. And I haven't heard a single suggestion in these past seven years that is as cute, concise, and clear.
If branding didn't matter 'Game Boy' wouldn't have stuck around for 15 years.
If Nintendo wants some 'oomph' in their console title they are free to name it Super, Ultra, Advance like how TV streaming boxes and phones are named, and make it really obvious it is next-gen. I'm sure people were confused by the Game Boy Advance but they were vastly outnumbered by the folks who understood 'yes, this is the new Game Boy that I need to play the new Pokemon'. Give people a little bit more credit.
If only that worked for the Wii U. People liked the Wii, right? Surely they would have bought anything with the Nintendo and Wii name on the box.
The most prominent elements on the front of the Switch box are the logo, the 'Switch' name in a larger font size, and a picture of the console. The brand is extremely strong, I never hear anyone calling it a 'Nintendo Switch' in real life, just 'Switch'. And I haven't heard a single suggestion in these past seven years that is as cute, concise, and clear.
If branding didn't matter 'Game Boy' wouldn't have stuck around for 15 years.
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I wouldn't bet on it that the console after the next switch will just be more of the same.
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