StarTopic Nintendo General Discussion |ST2 Nov. 2021| Are You Gonna Play Shin Megami Tensei V the Dub Way, or…

[ILikeFeet]

Okay so that Forza Horizon joke I made led me to a thumbnail of a YouTube video showing engine sound comparisons between all Horizon generations and I went ahead and clicked it because one of my major gripes of modern Forza games is how they stopped recording engines and began synthetically simulating their sounds (which drives me mad because I've owned several of the cars I like to snag in racing games so I know what they sound like and Horizon makes them sound like tinny, digital ass) but as this thread's resident car weeb™ I have to say, holy SHIT yall the cars in Horizon 5 sound so damn good. They actually sound like engines again, and they sound right. Supras sound like Supras, Vipers sound like Vipers, UGH. It's so nice. Finally. Everyone's been pointing out how good the game looks but the sound team deserves credit as well. Gonna have to pick this up in about 6-7 years when I finally buy a secondhand Series for cheap.

they even got the evs right

You make more sales if people buy both a Switch then a successor instead of just the successor.

then let people wait it out. if it's cheaper, they'll buy that as long as the games still come to it. then they can upgrade when the tap gets turned off or there are other games they want that's not on it

 

[Raccoon]

if Dane can come out close to Mariko's price (OLED or LCD), then people can just buy that. Mariko's momentum is sustained by the games, and if those games play on Dane and are even enhanced, it's an easy jump. I don't see the point in dragging out another x million at that point other than just wanting the title

Hahaha it can't by the way. This thing as rumored has got to be a $400+ device, at least to start.

 

[Raccoon]

Regardless of the numbers, I think that there is little reason to price the new model competitively to start. Supply will be extremely low and it will be an enthusiast-oriented product with functionally a soft launch. I could even see it being $500 to start, and every unit they make would still sell.

 

[curl-6]

then let people wait it out. if it's cheaper, they'll buy that as long as the games still come to it. then they can upgrade when the tap gets turned off or there are other games they want that's not on it

Eventually yes, I would agree, I just think 2022 is too soon for this transition when Switch is still selling so phenomenally well. Makes more sense to me to ride the Switch's still substantial momentum through 2022, then once it starts to reach saturation, start moving on to the next one.

 

[ika]

How would you all feel if 2022's lineup was:

• Pokémon Legends: Arceus
• Kirby and the Forgotten Land
• Splatoon 3
• Fire Emblem
• Mario + Rabbids 2
• Sequel to Casual game
• Triangle Strategy
• Bayonetta 3
• The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 2
• Xenoblade Chronicles 3
• Advance Wars 1 + 2
• Metroid Prime HD Remaster

Would you be satisfied with 2022 if this was the lineup?

Oh yeah, I would...

Along with that rumoured Resident Evil game, and other third party games.

...and maybe a completely new 2D Mario game (with its own Mario Maker 2 theme DLC), perhaps...

 

[ILikeFeet]

Eventually yes, I would agree, I just think 2022 is too soon for this transition when Switch is still selling so phenomenally well. Makes more sense to me to ride the Switch's still substantial momentum through 2022, then once it starts to reach saturation, start moving on to the next one.

I see this method of marketing and transition coming to an end now that consoles are embracing unified libraries (with their predecessors). as we see with mobile and, more similarly, PC, people can just upgrade when they feel like and their libraries will still be there. new games still work on old systems (until they either don't or performance isn't where people want). of course with consoles, there's a harder cutoff, but 1 year in, we still don't see that cut off yet

 

[Skittzo]

The Xbox Series S is the strongest point in your argument, but it's also the strongest in mine: the S has much weaker graphical power but it is the X's peer in processing. Processing is the divide, because graphics profiles can't overcome it.

Obviously software is scaleable, but the major appeal of consoles is that they're not. Everyone has the same (or close to the same) hardware, and games accordingly are reliable on it. That is an appealing factor for both developers and users, and it's the primary strength of dedicated "appliance" platforms over personal computers.

Speaking of computers, Microsoft has a monopoly in them. That's why Xbox as a brand is spreading to Windows, because they need to retain that monopoly more than they need to sell Xboxes. Valve continues investing in Linux gaming, so Microsoft is taking a new approach by acquiring countless key developers and locking down exclusivity, making any paradigm shift to Linux impossible via business as it becomes technologically viable.

Nintendo has no interest in the death of the console generation, because they do not own computing. Console generations let them sell sequels more easily, and it helps them sell hardware more easily. Generations may be dying for Xbox, but they remain key to the business model of Sony and especially Nintendo.

Returning to Sony, their late PC ports seem to me like a calculated sacrifice to get some additional revenue out of games that are by now established enough as part of their brand to not diminish it in their departure. I see nothing to suggest that generations are dead to Sony. COVID has simply resulted in some changed plans. Recall that many of the cross-platform first party games were announced as PS5 exclusives, only being reworked into cross-gen software when PS5 supply was so sharply restricted.

There is no hard evidence that the console industry is heading this way. Xbox may be expanding their horizons, but that isn't going to impact what is a highly effective model for Nintendo.

The problem here is that you're comparing this generational transition to the previous one, when I'd argue generations were more or less meaningless even then. I'm old, I remember seeing an SNES game for the first time and thinking holy crap, that looks nothing like NES. Same for N64, GameCube/PS2 and PS3/360. Those transitions were extremely hard lines, there was no room to muddy the picture and argue new machines weren't needed for these new games. They launched with exclusives, many of them. If you wanted to play any of the newest games you needed the newest hardware, there was no question.

Then the PS4/XB1 transition happened and there was a fairly long cross gen period. That wasn't something that was industry standard beforehand. It wasn't as apparent then that it is now but the difference between how it's done now and how it used to be done is stark. Yes, it's been exacerbated by the chip shortage but remember, PS5 is still selling ahead of PS4 launch aligned, it's not like they have no install base. They could absolutely have made plenty more games exclusive but they chose not to because there is simply no reason to miss out on that 100m+ base when there is really no fundamental technological change in how games are made or how they run.

That's really the crux of what I'm getting at. The technological leaps we're seeing between subsequent console generations are getting smaller and smaller so as to eventually diminish the generational distinctions all together. Sure, it's a useful as a marketing tool especially to entice your core audience but in reality there's really no hard cutoff between consoles like there used to be.


As for Nintendo, they've been more or less playing by their own rules since as far back as the GBC. Was that a new generation? Was the Wii a generational leap over the GC? Is the Switch in the same generation as the Wii U?

The answer to all of these questions is should be: who the hell cares, generations are meaningless constructs.

 

[Barely Able]

My damned OG blue joycon is drifting again. This will be the 5th time I have to send it in for repairs. At least it’s free in the US.

Let’s also hope Dane or whatever launches so it stops dominating the discussion, especially as the 2022 releases start coming.

 

[curl-6]

I see this method of marketing and transition coming to an end now that consoles are embracing unified libraries (with their predecessors). as we see with mobile and, more similarly, PC, people can just upgrade when they feel like and their libraries will still be there. new games still work on old systems (until they either don't or performance isn't where people want). of course with consoles, there's a harder cutoff, but 1 year in, we still don't see that cut off yet

In terms of software sure, but for example PS4 hardware sales very quickly slowed to a crawl post replacement. To do that to Switch while it's still selling at a vigorous pace seems ill conceived.

 

[Barely Able]

In terms of software sure, but for example PS4 hardware sales very quickly slowed to a crawl post replacement. To do that to Switch while it's still selling at a vigorous pace seems ill conceived.

Was part of that Sony ramping down production heavily? Couldn’t even find a PS4 the past year in most cases. I also think new hardware isn’t really necessary for switch and might be counter productive form a sales prospective, but maybe Nintendo doesn’t want to be caught with a fledgling console while the audience awaits the next model. Probably best to strike while the iron is hot.

 

[Mr_No_U]

Ever since I got my OLED I had only installed the games I was playing at the time. Then today I decided to take the time to look up and redownload most of the exclusives that I keep going back to and it hit me again just how overwhelming the Switch library is. Like holy shit so much great stuff.

 

[ILikeFeet]

In terms of software sure, but for example PS4 hardware sales very quickly slowed to a crawl post replacement. To do that to Switch while it's still selling at a vigorous pace seems ill conceived.

if there's no negative change in revenue then why does it matter where it comes from? as you mentioned, PS4 sales transferred immediately to the PS5 and there was no negative hit. sounds like a good reason to go ahead and move on with Dane

 

[curl-6]

if there's no negative change in revenue then why does it matter where it comes from? as you mentioned, PS4 sales transferred immediately to the PS5 and there was no negative hit. sounds like a good reason to go ahead and move on with Dane

Because again you make more money from selling someone a Switch and a Switch 2 than just a Switch 2.

 

[curl-6]

Anyway, I should bow out of this convo, and try to avoid it in future, the topic of the Switch's replacement just sets off my anxiety and stresses me out.

 

[chocolate_supra]

Anyway, I should bow out of this convo, and try to avoid it in future, the topic of the Switch's replacement just sets off my anxiety and stresses me out.

In case it helps:

 

[ILikeFeet]

Because again you make more money from selling someone a Switch and a Switch 2 than just a Switch 2.

Which is why you still have old product on shelves. Those folks can eventually upgrade

 

[NabiscoFelt]

Amazing idea

I'd do it myself if I'd played any of those games

 

[chocolate_supra]

Someone should do a comparison thread between each of the Big Three's Horizon games

Zero Dawn/Forbidden West vs Forza vs Animal Crossing

I'd do it myself if I'd played any of those games

How weird it is that, as a Nintendo fan, I've played two out of the three of those games and the one I didn't play is the Nintendo one.

 

[lemonfresh]

How weird it is that, as a Nintendo fan, I've played two out of the three of those games and the one I didn't play is the Nintendo one.

Fake Ninteno fan smh


Jk i barely played any animal crossing myself, and the bit I did play bored me

 

[lemonfresh]

My damned OG blue joycon is drifting again. This will be the 5th time I have to send it in for repairs. At least it’s free in the US.

Let’s also hope Dane or whatever launches so it stops dominating the discussion, especially as the 2022 releases start coming.

Hopefully they fix the drifting problem with the switch dane

 

[chocolate_supra]

Fake Ninteno fan smh


Jk i barely played any animal crossing myself, and the bit I did play bored me

Great thing about Nintendo is their offerings are diversified enough to cover a lot of different tastes. So weirdos like me who can't get into Animal Crossing or Pokemon can still drown in Nintendo stuff.

 

[Brawlz]

Playing Diamond/Pearl is giving me High School Nostalgia and I hate it >.>

 

[oese0]

Okay, that is probably the weirdest issue I‘ve seen so far. When I put the OLED in sleep mode with WiFi enabled the battery drains way too fast, when I turn on Airplane mode however it drains like usual… never seen that one before, as if the Switch is constantly looking for updates and such.

I suppose no one here had any experience with this issue? Can‘t really find anything online.

 

[frog]

There is a dedicated Nintendo hardware thread

 

[Imitatio]

Yes, you do pick it up.

Though the digital sale has me actually interested as well, lmao

 

[SammyJ9]

This is US-centric but Thanksgiving week always gives me massive gaming nostalgia, Zelda in particular. OoT and Twilight Princess both released right near it and I have lots of memories of playing both over the holiday break. Thanksgiving might be my favorite holiday, since you basically don’t do anything but cook, eat a lot of great food, watch football, and game.

 

[SammyJ9]

This sounds like solid advice in general:

 

[chocolate_supra]

This sounds like solid advice in general:

TIL @Raccoon has a blood feud with some rando pig

 

[SammyJ9]

TIL @Raccoon has a blood feud with some rando pig

Sounds like it’s a raccoon cafe! If you’re lucky the raccoon will sit on your head!

 

[SuperFakerBros]

Guess who's got two thumbs and managed to cop a PS5?

 

[DecoReturns]

The Swing Version of Dearly beloved is pretty good.

Kinda happy I got the Switch Version of Melody of Memory when it was 20 a while back. If I ever play smash again, I’ll happily take that free download.

 

[Dardan Sandiego]

Guess who's got two thumbs and managed to cop a PS5?

congrats!

but also

 

[SuperFakerBros]

congrats!

but also

I'd say trying out Walmart+ or Best Buy's TotalTech for a little bit would help you cop one. It's what made the difference for me

 

[Dardan Sandiego]

Even though Truck > Bots I agree with Jon that Nintendo should be in jail.

I'd say trying out Walmart+ or Best Buy's TotalTech for a little bit would help you cop one. It's what made the difference for me

I'm in Europe so that's no option for me but also... wouldn't fit in our living room setup anyway.

 

[SuperFakerBros]

I'm in Europe so that's no option for me but also... wouldn't fit in our living room setup anyway.

Ahh...from the land of socialism! /s

Well, damn, that's on me for assuming everyone else is in the US. There's gotta be something similar over across the ocean tho

Oh wouldn't you just replace whatever PS4 you have with a PS5?

 

[Sander RX]

I used to think it was counterproductive to discourse to embrace the Dane rumors, but at this point any continued effort to dispel the idea will only hold us back. Accepting that this is happening, even if it doesn't pan out again, is the best path forward towards a collective base understanding of the developing landscape

Raccoon embracing the Dane talk:

 

[Dardan Sandiego]

Ahh...from the land of socialism! /s

Well, damn, that's on me for assuming everyone else is in the US. There's gotta be something similar over across the ocean tho

Oh wouldn't you just replace whatever PS4 you have with a PS5?

Nah, I gave my PS4 away a while ago and only borrow it from my brother from time to time. The thing is, in the living room we don't have a TV but a projector screen that needs to be pulled down in front of a book shelf which doesn't have a ton of space. The PS5, if I ever got one, would have to go into the office. In any case, I already have a Series S for my next-gen needs for now. Hope you enjoy yours, though!

 

[Raccoon]

The problem here is that you're comparing this generational transition to the previous one, when I'd argue generations were more or less meaningless even then.

Hey, that's not fair, I was six years old in 2006!

(fair enough)

 

[Renmazuo]

Even though Truck > Bots I agree with Jon that Nintendo should be in jail.

List is lacking Pandora's Tower and Disaster: Day of Crisis

 

[Raccoon]

There is a dedicated Nintendo hardware thread

the gall of you guys to send someone to video games us

 

[SuperFakerBros]

Nah, I gave my PS4 away a while ago and only borrow it from my brother from time to time. The thing is, in the living room we don't have a TV but a projector screen that needs to be pulled down in front of a book shelf which doesn't have a ton of space. The PS5, if I ever got one, would have to go into the office. In any case, I already have a Series S for my next-gen needs for now. Hope you enjoy yours, though!

Ahh I see. Yeah, I can't deny that the PS5 and XSX are outright behemoths, something I don't remember folk saying as often with the PS4 or XB1. I'll basically have to move it to a different part in my TV table than where my PS4 Pro currently is

Oh yeah, then you're more or less set then if you're fine with 1080p and, yeah, I'll definitely be enjoying mine! I'll finally be getting back into playing on PlayStation proper

 

[Intoxicate]

Looking at Nintendo with their Switch revisions so far:

2017 - OG
2019 - lite (and V2)
2021 - OLED model
2023 - Dane ?

I'm still hoping for an iOS/Android situation where more potential hardware will still support the same software.
Then a more powerful Switch can't come soon enough. With NVidia as a partner there should be a solution despite the older games are finetuned to the Tegra X1.
Wii U told them a lesson that backwards compatibility can hurt 3rd party support (due to the limitations for the new hardware), but with the ARM/NVidia design and looking to iOS there are ways to support older software and having the latest hardware benefits fully utilized.

I don't get people who would be angry if a new Switch with better hardware would launch already 2022. Sell your old Switch (which is still in high demand) and upgrade for a few bucks.

 

[Vantell]

Shin Megami Tensei V is still good. Such a great RPG. I havent played the other ones so I am not sure how it compares to the other two . Also yesterday got Mario Party Superstars as I sold Super Mario Party.

 

[Ozzie]

So I saw bravely default 2 is 26.99 on Amazon. Do I pick it up as a fan of jrpgs? I don’t think it will get that price again and I am not sure when exactly I’ll get to it.

Especially considering I just bought Origami King at that price

Bravely Default 2 is a good RPG with a 11/10 soundtrack and a very good turn base combat.

 

[Amadeus]

Do you think we could get any DLC for Dread ? Like an announcement at TGA ?
It seems they cut half the bosses, so maybe a boss rush with new ennemies ?

 

[Dardan Sandiego]

Do you think we could get any DLC for Dread ? Like an announcement at TGA ?
It seems they cut half the bosses, so maybe a boss rush with new ennemies ?

I think we were told a while ago that the team moved on to the next project already. If there is DLC, I wouldn't expect anything big.

 

[xghost777]

I started writing a huge wall of text to respond to this thread's discussion yesterday of Dane talk and realized I should make the post it's own thread. Check it out if you haven't

Why Are We Seemingly Afraid 2022 Will Be The Hard End Of Support For The Switch? We Shouldn't Be.

I was catching up on the main Nintendo thread today and I'm confused why there is such concern over the Dane cutting off all Switch games in 2022. I'm a big fan of generations lasting as long as possible, especially when they are going as strong as the Switch is. I know we have had mostly hard...

famiboards.com

 

[Marce-chan]

Personally, I want at least one more full, great year from it. Once 2023 hits, then I'll be fine with them replacing it.

It's so close to claiming the #1 system of all time in my book, it'd be such a shame if it was cut short prematurely, and for me 2022 is just too soon. It'd be like replacing the PS4 in 2018.

Don't worry. We know that at least Metroid Prime 4 is coming in 2023. That year should also see a new Pokémon generation and that will surely come to current Switch. Dane can indeed be a full successor but there's no way we don't see a good cross gen period like PS4-PS5 or a iterative route like Xbox is doing.
Mario Kart is rumored to be coming and that thing is probably 2023 and "cross gen". Next 3D Mario should be too.

PS: I bought my Switch this month so I hope that it doesn't get replaced too soon lol.

 

[Marce-chan]

You have absolutely no basis to continue asserting this as fact

I mean, Xbox One, S, X, Series S and X definitely point that affirmation as a fact imo.
Also Switch being both an eighth and ninth gen console. And Gameboy and Gameboy color being a thing.

 

[Dardan Sandiego]

I regret not getting Clubhouse games when it was on sale a while ago.