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StarTopic Nintendo General Discussion |ST2 Nov. 2021| Are You Gonna Play Shin Megami Tensei V the Dub Way, or…

Which TGA nomination snub upset you the most?

  • Animal Crossing New Horizons for Best Ongoing Game

    Votes: 41 17.1%

  • ADAM (Metroid Dread) for Best Performance

    Votes: 20 8.3%

  • Bravely Default 2 for Best Role Playing Game

    Votes: 23 9.6%

  • Metroid Dread for Best Family Game

    Votes: 23 9.6%

  • FamiBoards User Derachi for Content Creator of the Year (for his "Sub Megami TensWay V" image in OP)

    Votes: 23 9.6%

  • Emily's "Stinker Horseman Game" for Most Anticipated Game

    Votes: 46 19.2%

  • Cruis'n Blast for Literally Every Category

    Votes: 64 26.7%
  • Total voters
    240
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chocolate_supra said:
Whoa whoa wait, do people actually think the base Switch is gonna lose support when Dane comes around? I thought the reason Dane was gonna work as an iterative successor (rather than a clean-break new generation) was the fact that the Switch and its games are already built with multiple hardware profiles in mind.. so games will have the handheld profile, the docked profile, and soon simply a new Dane-specific profile, rather than having to be made for the Dane only. I mean yeah, I remember Nate said he knows of a handful of third-party Dane exclusives for which the base Switch just isn't powerful enough, but do we really expect Nintendo to start building games so graphics-heavy that they'll ditch the rest of the Switch family almost immediately? Even their stuff that is intense like Xenoblade and Bayonetta I'd figure would still have 720p/30fps profiles on Switch and Lite (okay more like 540p/20fps on Lite but still 😅)
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Do you think people will be buying the base switches as much in 2024 though? next 2 years maybe but games are going to get more graphically intensive. I think people would want the model which can actually play games more smoothly and also nintendo will probably promote and almost solely focus on the new model and it will be front of the shelves in stores and at the front page on websites so people will most likely see it and get it over the base model. Obviously the switch will still sell for maybe the next 2 years tho. But by year 2 or 3 of the dane I feel the base models sales with taper out by a ton.
 
Leo said:
I just hope old switch games will get patches to run at better resolutions. This is my most wanted feature.
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It is bc most likely, I think being on better hardware alone will cause the games not to have as much framerate problems at least like with some parts of botw. AS for better resolutions I think that should be an easy patch to do
 
lemonfresh said:
It is bc most likely, I think being on better hardware alone with cause the games not to have as much framerate problems at least like with some parts of botw. AS for better resolutions I think that should be an easy patch to do
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I'm sure most first party games would get patches to make them run at 4k, which will probably be a big marketing point for Nintendo, but I'm not so sure about third party games.
 
I still wish Nintendo hadn't sold me a premium model in the last year of their system's life but y'know it's my fault for not waiting. Worth it if only to give my sister my old one
 
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lemonfresh said:
Do you think people will be buying the base switches as much in 2024 though? next 2 years maybe but games are going to get more graphically intensive. I think people would want the model which can actually play games more smoothly and also nintendo will probably promote and almost solely focus on the new model and it will be front of the shelves in stores and at the front page on websites so people will most likely see it and get it over the base model. Obviously the switch will still sell for maybe the next 2 years tho. But by year 2 or 3 of the dane I feel the base models sales with taper out by a ton.
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I think gaming enthusiasts will want the more powerful model, yeah, but aren't a massive chunk of Nintendo's sales coming from families and.. like I dunno how to put it, but like the households that buy it for Mario Kart and stuff like that? Especially if Dane's going to be $50-100 more expensive, I definitely see the base Switch continuing to have legs alongside it. Also think of the massive number of households that now have Switches because of how well it has sold, imagine if Nintendo just up and said "oh btw our newest games aren't gonna work on your Switch anymore, you gotta buy not just another Switch but one that's even more expensive in order to play the new Mario." That would ruffle a lot of non-enthusiast feathers (god I'm trying so hard not to use the term "gamers" 😅). So I definitely see Nintendo and third parties (especially retro and indie developers that don't need massive power) supporting the base and Lite for a good while after Dane is out. Will they taper? Yeah eventually, but "Dane=Switch EOL" is a situation I just don't see happening.
jesus christ yall actually got me debating video game stuff instead of making snarky comments and posting memes wtf
 
Whoa whoa whoa, it’s too feisty in here. You all should take a page from my book and do some heavy Monday night drinking, attempt to play 3D world and then fall asleep
 
Raccoon said:
You have absolutely no basis to continue asserting this as fact
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XBO and PS4 are still getting exclusives a year+ after launch, with Sony actually backtracking and making former PS5 exclusives available on PS4. If the Dane really is Switch 2, it'll be the same situation.
 
Skittzo said:
I mean, the PS5 and XSes have been out for a year now right? How many games have released on those but not the previous gen? A handful?

XSS existing should be proof enough of this tbh.
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You surely recognize that this strategy evolved due to the shortages stunting the growth of the new platforms, and that we would have seen these first party games be exclusive if not for COVID.

If you'd like to suggest that the next Switch will be subject to the same circumstance and strategic response I certainly won't refute that, but I disagree with this notion of some sort of cosmic shift that has made generations irrelevant. Generations are integral to dedicated hardware conceptually, and if that changes too drastically their appeal will be diminished.
 
Skittzo said:
I mean, the PS5 and XSes have been out for a year now right? How many games have released on those but not the previous gen? A handful?

XSS existing should be proof enough of this tbh.
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The fact that Halo Infinite is coming to Xbox One, even though it's capped at 30fps and youtube says it looks shit, is also a good example.

Red Monster said:
Whoa whoa whoa, it’s too feisty in here. You all should take a page from my book and do some heavy Monday night drinking, attempt to play 3D world and then fall asleep
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Oh I am drinking.
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Consider for a moment why the Switch can't run many games that are outwardly comparable to ones that it does: memory bus. The Switch simply isn't fast enough to load big games, and rendering settings can't solve that. A new system is needed. If the new hardware is treated as though generations don't exist, its potential benefits will be curtailed severely, and it will hold no value.

Even if there are cross-gen games, a system with substantial changes in the areas that the Switch really needs them (CPU, memory, memory speed, memory bandwidth) needs to be a new system, with first party games designed to leverage the less obvious capabilities that these improvements could provide.
 
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Raccoon said:
You surely recognize that this strategy evolved due to the shortages stunting the growth of the new platforms, and that we would have seen these first party games be exclusive if not for COVID.

If you'd like to suggest that the next Switch will be subject to the same circumstance and strategic response I certainly won't refute that, but I disagree with this notion of some sort of cosmic shift that has made generations irrelevant. Generations are integral to dedicated hardware conceptually, and if that changes too drastically their appeal will be diminished.
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Again, the XSS exists. As far as I'm aware that was happening before COVID ever happened.

Not to mention gamepass, XCloud and Sony first party games on PC... Nobody is strictly adhering to making new games exclusive to new generation consoles like they used to. That's an irrefutable fact.

New more powerful consoles will of course come out in regular intervals but the idea of "new games exclusive to new consoles" is becoming less and less accurate.
 
I feel like I aughta make clear that I'm not trying to really argue or blast anybody's position or anything, I just believe Nintendo is going to consider the very large number of people who are continuing to buy Switches this year (and next year) and won't just dump them out in the cold without games once the Dane is out. I see Dane as an enhanced model, not a replacement, as I think Nintendo knows a straight-up replacement with an exclusive first-party lineup at this point will piss off a lot of people who came in during the pandemic boom or who just bought OLEDs (like @Raccoon. I refuse to believe Nintendo will betray Raccoon).
 
People take Nintendo's word on the Switch's lifespan/generation length way too seriously.
 
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here's how I see it
  • Dane announced for Fall 2022/Winter 2023
  • Mariko Switch production sunsets, get one while they're still on shelves
  • Nintendo will still support Mariko with games, they'll have higher fidelity modes
  • third parties will jump ship as soon as Dane is public
 
I gotta admit, now that I’ve got a PS5, I’m really tempted to get some third party games I’ve bought for switch on this new current gen console simply because of the visual upgrade.
 
ILikeFeet said:
here's how I see it
  • Dane announced for Fall 2022/Winter 2023
  • Mariko Switch production sunsets, get one while they're still on shelves
  • Nintendo will still support Mariko with games, they'll have higher fidelity modes
  • third parties will jump ship as soon as Dane is public
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This is how I see it too, yes. Though Mariko production will probably last another year after that simply because Dane supply will be so tight.

Also most third parties will not jump ship, just the biggest AAA publishers (not that they're currently on the ship really).
 
I own this.

This is how I got Jirachi back in the day.

Also owned another bonus disc meant for Fire Emblem 7 where you got some extras. Think it was Mario Kart Double dash (weird little thing). But I believe it was due to IS doing the GBA Mario Kart

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To be clear, I'd be totally cool with Dane being a New 3DS/DSi type situation.
I just think 2022 (so a 5-5.5 year lifespan) is too soon to cut short a system that's on track to outsell the PS4.
 
DecoReturns said:
I own this.

This is how I got Jirachi back in the day.

Also owned another bonus disc meant for Fire Emblem 7 where you got some extras. Think it was Mario Kart Double dash (weird little thing). But I believe it was due to IS doing the GBA Mario Kart

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I loved this Bonus Disk. Back when the Gen IV GTS was a thing, I'd get sets of Jirachi from here and trade them out for other legendary Pokemon and stuff. Good times.
 
Skittzo said:
Again, the XSS exists. As far as I'm aware that was happening before COVID ever happened.

Not to mention gamepass, XCloud and Sony first party games on PC... Nobody is strictly adhering to making new games exclusive to new generation consoles like they used to. That's an irrefutable fact.

New more powerful consoles will of course come out in regular intervals but the idea of "new games exclusive to new consoles" is becoming less and less accurate.
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The Xbox Series S is the strongest point in your argument, but it's also the strongest in mine: the S has much weaker graphical power but it is the X's peer in processing. Processing is the divide, because graphics profiles can't overcome it.

Obviously software is scaleable, but the major appeal of consoles is that they're not. Everyone has the same (or close to the same) hardware, and games accordingly are reliable on it. That is an appealing factor for both developers and users, and it's the primary strength of dedicated "appliance" platforms over personal computers.

Speaking of computers, Microsoft has a monopoly in them. That's why Xbox as a brand is spreading to Windows, because they need to retain that monopoly more than they need to sell Xboxes. Valve continues investing in Linux gaming, so Microsoft is taking a new approach by acquiring countless key developers and locking down exclusivity, making any paradigm shift to Linux impossible via business as it becomes technologically viable.

Nintendo has no interest in the death of the console generation, because they do not own computing. Console generations let them sell sequels more easily, and it helps them sell hardware more easily. Generations may be dying for Xbox, but they remain key to the business model of Sony and especially Nintendo.

Returning to Sony, their late PC ports seem to me like a calculated sacrifice to get some additional revenue out of games that are by now established enough as part of their brand to not diminish it in their departure. I see nothing to suggest that generations are dead to Sony. COVID has simply resulted in some changed plans. Recall that many of the cross-platform first party games were announced as PS5 exclusives, only being reworked into cross-gen software when PS5 supply was so sharply restricted.

There is no hard evidence that the console industry is heading this way. Xbox may be expanding their horizons, but that isn't going to impact what is a highly effective model for Nintendo.
 
I still don't see how PS5/XSX getting cross-gen games in its first years differs from how it went down when PS4/XB1 was the new gen and many games were still releasing on PS3/360 and why this time everyone is declaring the death of the generation.
 
Isn’t Nintendo’s last year of any console usually pretty sparse? Like the Wii’s 2012, the Wii U’s 2016, the Gamecube’s 2006, N64 2001, etc. Since they have to shift development focus to the next console.

I’m saying that if 2022 was the last year before Switch got replaced/sidelined then it would hugely buck the trend with stuff like a brand new Splatoon and Zelda.
 
What I find interesting, as well as substantially beyond any of our proverbial pay-grades, is the divide between graphical power, which is very scaleable, and main processing, which ostensibly presents harder lines in the console space. In some respects it could be argued that cross-gen games have always been last gen games with better IQ, and that the more fundamental technical advantages of new hardware are not really seen until this period ends.
 
MondoMega said:
Why wouldn't the Switch's 2024 successor eventually have exclusives? Of course first-party games will mostly be cross-gen for some time, but they'll abandon Switch 1 eventually; maybe in 2026 or 2027.
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Because its not a sucessor and will come out in 2022
 
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curl-6 said:
To be clear, I'd be totally cool with Dane being a New 3DS/DSi type situation.
I just think 2022 (so a 5-5.5 year lifespan) is too soon to cut short a system that's on track to outsell the PS4.
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it's not "cutting it short" if it's still getting games by Nintendo
 
Catalyst said:
Isn’t Nintendo’s last year of any console usually pretty sparse? Like the Wii’s 2012, the Wii U’s 2016, the Gamecube’s 2006, N64 2001, etc. Since they have to shift development focus to the next console.

I’m saying that if 2022 was the last year before Switch got replaced/sidelined then it would hugely buck the trend with stuff like a brand new Splatoon and Zelda.
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If Dane weren't rumored for next year, I wouldn't even imagine that it was time for new hardware. The Switch is simply doing too well.

Honestly, the peculiarity of the juxtaposition of such a strong year with replacement hardware is in my opinion the strongest indicator that the new hardware will be something unusual, rather than any cosmic trends.
 
I used to think it was counterproductive to discourse to embrace the Dane rumors, but at this point any continued effort to dispel the idea will only hold us back. Accepting that this is happening, even if it doesn't pan out again, is the best path forward towards a collective base understanding of the developing landscape
 
Raccoon said:
I still can't believe how fucking good this game looks

I would label myself as perhaps deontologically opposed to xbox but with games looking like this and the incredible industrial design of the series hardware I can't help but carry some admiration
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Yeah I give them a ton of credit for the design of the Series X where they finally just said "ya know what fuck it this is literally an X-Box now"

NabiscoFelt said:
Someone should do a comparison thread between each of the Big Three's Horizon games

Zero Dawn/Forbidden West vs Forza vs Animal Crossing
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Dammit I nearly spat out my Arizona Black & White Tea 🤣
 
Okay so that Forza Horizon joke I made led me to a thumbnail of a YouTube video showing engine sound comparisons between all Horizon generations and I went ahead and clicked it because one of my major gripes of modern Forza games is how they stopped recording engines and began synthetically simulating their sounds (which drives me mad because I've owned several of the cars I like to snag in racing games so I know what they sound like and Horizon makes them sound like tinny, digital ass) but as this thread's resident car weeb™ I have to say, holy SHIT yall the cars in Horizon 5 sound so damn good. They actually sound like engines again, and they sound right. Supras sound like Supras, Vipers sound like Vipers, UGH. It's so nice. Finally. Everyone's been pointing out how good the game looks but the sound team deserves credit as well. Gonna have to pick this up in about 6-7 years when I finally buy a secondhand Series for cheap.
 
curl-6 said:
Wouldn't having a successor out tank its sales though? Seems like a waste when it's still selling so well and could potentially do another 50-60 million.
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if Dane can come out close to Mariko's price (OLED or LCD), then people can just buy that. Mariko's momentum is sustained by the games, and if those games play on Dane and are even enhanced, it's an easy jump. I don't see the point in dragging out another x million at that point other than just wanting the title
 
ILikeFeet said:
if Dane can come out close to Mariko's price (OLED or LCD), then people can just buy that. Mariko's momentum is sustained by the games, and if those games play on Dane and are even enhanced, it's an easy jump. I don't see the point in dragging out another x million at that point other than just wanting the title
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You make more sales if people buy both a Switch then a successor instead of just the successor.
 
curl-6 said:
Wouldn't having a successor out tank its sales though? Seems like a waste when it's still selling so well and could potentially do another 50-60 million.
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I think it is best to accept that the new hardware is coming, and try to consider what form it will take to maximize the circumstances in which it is coming.

I think it is undeniable that even to start it will be the flagship, even if it has a soft launch. Consider that the OLED is now the default model in marketing, even if it isn't really in practice. I think we'll get some compare and contrast shots of Zelda 2 at E3 (and yes, I think if this thing exists as rumored it will be announced at or prior to E3).

The new model will most likely have (or perhaps suffer from) a soft launch, and its primary function initially will be to drive enthusiast software sales. As we've seen with the PS5, the new hardware cannot become the main platform right away, if that is even its intended function (for the record, I think it is absolutely the successor).
 
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