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ReddDreadtheLead said:
I’m going to be very honest and very blunt (but I’m not trying to be mean!), process node is something you should worry about the least if you know the clock speed of the device. It can be cool to find out but really it’s not really relevant if you know the clock speed. If you know the process node you have an idea of the ceiling, but once you know the clock speeds, you should pretty much forget about the process node because it becomes just an extra factoid.

I mean it from the position that we are as more enthusiastic consumers, if we know clocks you can pretty much go about your day. Node wouldn’t really tell you that much as it narrows it down to a range, but the final clocks are what matter.

no.


i mean I think everyone should just assume switch clocks, and be pleasantly surprised by anything greater than. As a bonus.
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I'm super offended! 😝

But doesn't process node also help determine how "sexy" a device is? Lower heat and less power consumption from those aforementioned clocks could equate to a smaller, sleeker device, no?
 
Cuzizkool said:
I'm super offended! 😝

But doesn't process node also help determine how "sexy" a device is? Lower heat and less power consumption from those aforementioned clocks could equate to a smaller, sleeker device, no?
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I mean, if it looks sexy, is sexy, acts sexy, does it matter what’s on the inside at its core?

Like if they achieve that and it’s not 4N, does it matter if it’s 4N at that point? ;)
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
Me doubting RDR2 on switch and you say my pessimism is unrealistic?

Well well, is RDR2 switch in the room with us?
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Witcher 3 exists on Switch, no ifs no buts no cloud.

Could RDR2 do it? Sure, why not. The reason it's unlikely is because it would be difficult and costly, and now Switch is well into its twilight years, not because it's out impossible, because it isn't. I'm not going to relitigate the raw capabilities of Nintendo Switch, but to be clear, if Xbox One can get a full fat release of a game, Nintendo Switch can get the same game with appropriate nips and tucks. It's half an Xbox One, not a fifth, not a tenth.

I would also ask one not to employ gaslighting in any sense, even as a joke, thank you.

The next generation system, of course, will be capable of RDR2 without breaking a sweat, and that's not exactly controversial.
 
Lelouch0612 said:
Plus, Switch2 3rd party support will be magnitudes stronger than what the Switch got.
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Yea, I'm not concerned about 3rd Party support this time. All of the publishers know that Nintendo has a winner on their hands with the hybrid method. They aren't going to play the wait and see game or "let's throw out a game to feel things out". As long as Nintendo doesn't pull a.... well Nintendo move, it will be the best 3rd party support since the SNES.
 
Skittzo said:
The issue with 8nm I thought is that Switch clocks aren't even really feasible.
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I believe Switch clocks were considered about right if its 8nm, but the question was why go with so many GPU cores when they could have simply used less cores at a higher clock speed for the same performance. Plus, 8nm would be a large SOC, physically much larger than the Tegra X1.
 
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ReddDreadtheLead said:
I mean, if it looks sexy, is sexy, acts sexy, does it matter what’s on the inside at its core?

Like if they achieve that and it’s not 4N, does it matter if it’s 4N at that point? ;)
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Hey if it can push 4k and/or 60fps I'll be happy. I just wanna know if I should expect something akin to a DS phat or a DS Lite.
 
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Skittzo said:
That's not even the right picture, I messed up. That's for 6.2" vs 7.8".

This one is 6.2" vs 8":

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Did not expect it to be this large. Feels like a mistake. This thing better not come close to Deck dimensions.

Raccoon is seething out there somewhere
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
I mean, if it looks sexy, is sexy, acts sexy, does it matter what’s on the inside at its core?

Like if they achieve that and it’s not 4N, does it matter if it’s 4N at that point? ;)
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A process node is a means to an end (lower power consumption, higher clocks). If Nvidia has conjured up some magic to reach the same end on a worse node, then no it doesn't matter.
 
karmitt said:
Did not expect it to be this large. Feels like a mistake. This thing better not come close to Deck dimensions.

Raccoon is seething out there somewhere
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It's more or less a screen the size of the entire front of the OLED. That means that you basically just need to put a plastic frame around that, and that's the size. An extra 0.4 inches on each left and right, and an extra 0.23 inches each top and bottom. It wouldn't be a problem.

If that's what they went with, it would be noticeably bigger, certainly. People would hold it up next to their Switch and go, "yup, it's bigger." It wouldn't have a notable impact on anyone's ability to hold, transport, or enjoy it.
 
If it has 1080p it makes me hopeful DLSS will be enabled in portable mode. I personally prefer 720p to ensure all games, not just the first party stuff, are native
 
Lelouch0612 said:
Serious question: Would RDR2 be more difficult to port than HL ?
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Half Life vs RDR2? I’d hope Half Life isn’t hard to port compared to RDR2 :p . RDR2 is one of the most technically ambitious open world games of the last generation, if it were to come to the switch the amount of cuts made would be beyond immense and you’d be better off A) making a new one from the ground up taking into account the more limited CPU and bandwidth of the switch or B) just go cloud.

But as is, doing cuts? I have a hard time seeing that, or seeing it even be enjoyable to be worth it.
Concernt said:
I would also ask one not to employ gaslighting in any sense, even as a joke, thank you.
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Are you trying to gaslight me into believing the RDR2 is actually technically feasible on a Nintendo switch. Be so serious right now. The usage of Witcher 3 has deluded the conversation on what people define as feasible, using it as a barometer for using other games to come to the system or not is being dishonest. Grossly dishonest.

You might as well say that Cyberpunk 2077 is possible because the Witcher 3 happened.

Same difference.
 
Dark Cloud said:
Nintendo could have a new Wave Race for launch window on the next system. How about a new Star Fox? IP's that didn't make this gen could show up early on the next gen too. Star Fox though, I don't see releasing in the launch window.
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Raccoon isn't here, so I'll carry on in his stead.

Ray-Traced Wave Race!!!!!!!
 
LiC said:
It's more or less a screen the size of the entire front of the OLED. That means that you basically just need to put a plastic frame around that, and that's the size. An extra 0.4 inches on each left and right, and an extra 0.23 inches each top and bottom. It wouldn't be a problem.

If that's what they went with, it would be noticeably bigger, certainly. People would hold it up next to their Switch and go, "yup, it's bigger." It wouldn't have a notable impact on anyone's ability to hold, transport, or enjoy it.
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Let’s just say I hope they’re trying damn hard to keep the bezel to a minimum. I know they put forth a ton of effort around this for the OLED model, so it’d make sense to reuse those learnings.
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
Half Life vs RDR2? I’d hope Half Life isn’t hard to port compared to RDR2 :p . RDR2 is one of the most technically ambitious open world games of the last generation, if it were to come to the switch the amount of cuts made would be beyond immense and you’d be better off A) making a new one from the ground up taking into account the more limited CPU and bandwidth of the switch or B) just go cloud.

But as is, doing cuts? I have a hard time seeing that, or seeing it even be enjoyable to be worth it.

Are you trying to gaslight me into believing the RDR2 is actually technically feasible on a Nintendo switch. Be so serious right now. The usage of Witcher 3 has deluded the conversation on what people define as feasible, using it as a barometer for using other games to come to the system or not is being dishonest. Grossly dishonest.

You might as well say that Cyberpunk 2077 is possible because the Witcher 3 happened.

Same difference.
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Grossly dishonest? Facts like "the Witcher 3 is on Switch" are grossly dishonest now?

To quote you:

what
 
Cuzizkool said:
Quick question now that we're contemplating a bigger form factor: Is 8nm back on the table? Bigger = bigger fan, bigger battery, so bigger SoC? Please tell me I'm wrong.
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If it means having a fatter successor, so be it.
"Nintendo Switch Plump" comes to mind but that doesn't quite roll off the tongue so well.
 
MP! said:
a little late but I did a quick model of the 7.9 inch screen compared to the other two switches for fun
It's a little rough but is approximately the right sizes
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the bigger one is assuming similar bezels as the OLED.
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awesome, the bigger the better. Looking at this now Im mad I didnt get oled instead of v2 xd
 
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MP! said:
a little late but I did a quick model of the 7.9 inch screen compared to the other two switches for fun
It's a little rough but is approximately the right sizes
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the bigger one is assuming similar bezels as the OLED.
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Hahaha. That looks disgusting. I love it.

On a serious note, a 7.91" 16:9 display would actually fit in the footprint of the OLED Model body with 1-2mm to spare on each side, so I don't think it's infeasible for the console to stay the same size. That said, I don't expect it to. My expectations would probably be that it gets a little wider, but doesn't get much, if any bit, taller. Much like how OLED Model got a little wider.
 
MP! said:
a little late but I did a quick model of the 7.9 inch screen compared to the other two switches for fun
It's a little rough but is approximately the right sizes
II1uA2xv5gSK.png

the bigger one is assuming similar bezels as the OLED.
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I remember my first impression of playing on my Switch OLED wasn't so much about the quality of the screen, but how much bigger the screen seemed compared to my OG Switch. Not even an inch bigger but it seemed significant. I would imagine the jump to 8" screen would seem like another significant increase in size. As much as I dont want to go back from OLED, if we are getting an 8" quality 1080p LCD display, that would be a fair trade off.
 
Concernt said:
Hahaha. That looks disgusting. I love it.

On a serious note, a 7.91" 16:9 display would actually fit in the footprint of the OLED Model body with 1-2mm to spare on each side, so I don't think it's infeasible for the console to stay the same size. That said, I don't expect it to. My expectations would probably be that it gets a little wider, but doesn't get much, if any bit, taller. Much like how OLED Model got a little wider.
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If they did that I would assume more of a flat design like an iphone since the curvature of the casing wouldn't really allow the screen to fit
Maybe a flat case would... end to end screen like a phone

another thing to remember is the sides of the unit are basically just joycon rail space... if they change that they could shave off nearly all the grey part to the bezel on the sides


Edit: Here's a comparison of that screen size on a body the same height as the OLED but longer
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Doesn't leave a lot of room for bezels but ... it could happen I suppose
 
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Ugh, really hope this isn't true
The switch is already big enough, does it really need another inch? And at the cost of OLED? Probably will have to wait for the revision in this case.
Storage is good on paper but I hope it didn't cause them to skimp out on other components.
 
neon said:
Ugh, really hope this isn't true
The switch is already big enough, does it really need another inch? And at the cost of OLED? Probably will have to wait for the revision in this case.
Storage is good on paper but I hope it didn't cause them to skimp out on other components.
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I think if anything has caused them to downgrade something, it would be inflation.
 
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MP! said:
If they did that I would assume more of a flat design like an iphone since the curvature of the casing wouldn't really allow the screen to fit
Maybe a flat case would... end to end screen like a phone

another thing to remember is the sides of the unit are basically just joycon rail space... if they change that they could shave off nearly all the grey part to the bezel on the sides
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I don't think they HAVE to change the rail, nor do I think they should! Instead, the screen should overlap the Joy-Con rail!
 
D36 said:
Raccoon isn't here, so I'll carry on in his stead.

Ray-Traced Wave Race!!!!!!!
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In all seriousness, I do think a new Wave Race is on the way, but I expect it to be developed by Forever Entertainment, as per their deal with Nintendo. They...... don't have the best track record and I don't expect them to take advantage of ray-tracing in a way that would make that particular game stand out. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't know what other developer could take on such a hypothetical project.
 
Skittzo said:
The issue with 8nm I thought is that Switch clocks aren't even really feasible.
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Not with anything resembling the current Switch power draw, certainly, which I think isn't just a battery life limit, but heat as well.

Ojoloco said:
Hey guys anyone know the difference between 3d nand and the current switchs cartridges?
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Totally different tech. Short version - 3D NAND would make bigger cartridges cheaper and faster. NAND has 3 problems that the current tech does not have. It doesn't have as long a shelf life (usually NAND is rated for like 5 years), it is easily rewritable, and it doesn't have built in DRM.

One of the reasons NAND isn't rated for long is because it can be written too. So if Nintendo builds in some kind of chip that blocks rewrites, and implements DRM (along with decrypt on console, presumably), they might get the shelf life back as well.
 
MP! said:
a little late but I did a quick model of the 7.9 inch screen compared to the other two switches for fun
It's a little rough but is approximately the right sizes
II1uA2xv5gSK.png

the bigger one is assuming similar bezels as the OLED.
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this is really not that bad, bit of a selfish ask but could you do a transparent overlap to compare the footprints better?
 
Concernt said:
I don't think they HAVE to change the rail, nor do I think they should! Instead, the screen should overlap the Joy-Con rail!
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I updated my post with a new pic of a longer but not taller body
Overlapping the rail might make it thicker by a mm or two
 
Xaltmas said:
The possibility of much more internal storage is exciting but I'd also really love to see the ability to hook up an external drive to the dock. I'm expecting the file sizes for games to increase by a pretty fair bit given the jump in specs (like going form PS3-PS4). I'd also love a second microSD card slot but that feels even more unlikely.

When it comes to backwards compatibility I try not to get too worked up because it really would be a disaster to tell 120+ million users "womp womp" when it comes to their libraries (I personally have nearly 200 digital Switch games and I'd be turbo pissed if they were stuck). A few publishers whining about it hurting potential sales of up-scaled ports isn't worth throwing away trust in the ecosystem. It would be an Xbox One reveal level of a shit show.
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Do developers on iOS for example complain all the time because their apps work on a variety of devices (not including iPadOS specific apps) rather than having to pay for an app on each separate device when a new iPhone comes out?

Because that’s how the game developers look in this case.
 
Dekuman said:
If it has 1080p it makes me hopeful DLSS will be enabled in portable mode. I personally prefer 720p to ensure all games, not just the first party stuff, are native
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Developers be crazy. If you want every game to max out the screen we're gonna have to set the ceiling very low, maybe get a PSP screen going on but with a lower refresh rate. But I'd rather let the better developers produce a better image, and at a high enough resolution that any scaling artifacts from arbitrary subnative resolutions will be minimized.
 
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