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9-Volt said:
That's where I am. Nintendo needs to hype this thing up for a whole year long, starting with early in the year, launching in late fall. In 2024. Everyone's forgetting about how Nintendo started teasing Switch with NX mention years ago. The upcoming console was confirmed and Nintendo kept teasing it. For the successor, Nintendo might need a whole year to ramp up some hype in the mainstream crowd.
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I guess technically saying "We're making a new thing" and then repeatedly "We're not talking about it" for a year counts as teasing, but it wasn't exactly marketing.
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Does it? They still have strong software, no need for a successor, and even in 2024 it isn’t going to decline to zero.
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Ideally you don't wait until there's an obvious decline before something is done about it. One device's slope down can match with the next device's slope up, keeping numbers high. Sony seems to have done a good job of this with PS4 to PS5, though it's kind of hard to see the specifics of each system's performance since they are only reporting combined PS4+PS5 software.
 
D36 said:
NX was only "revealed" a year in advance in order to quell any concerns that Nintendo was leaving the console space. There's really no need for that sort of press cycle anymore, Nintendo can properly reveal and release Drake within 6 months at minimum.
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It's release window was announced a year in advance because it was materially impacting their FY forecasts for the upcoming FY.
 
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NX was only "revealed" a year in advance in order to quell any concerns that Nintendo was leaving the console space. There's really no need for that sort of press cycle anymore, Nintendo can properly reveal and release Drake within 6 months at minimum.
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I don't expect a long cycle like Switch but 6 months is just too short.

11-12 month cycle is perfect for the successor. That's what 3DS had:

March, 2010 - Initial reveal. Just what it is, when it's coming etc.
June 2010 - E3 Blowout. First time we saw the console. Lots of games, including launch software, were announced.
March 2011 - Launch. Just 1 year after the first reveal. (Feb in Japan)

For successor, 11 months should be better, Let the Switch have its final holiday season. January - June - November is my guess.
 
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I guess technically saying "We're making a new thing" and then repeatedly "We're not talking about it" for a year counts as teasing, but it wasn't exactly marketing.

Ideally you don't wait until there's an obvious decline before something is done about it. One device's slope down can match with the next device's slope up, keeping numbers high. Sony seems to have done a good job of this with PS4 to PS5, though it's kind of hard to see the specifics of each system's performance since they are only reporting combined PS4+PS5 software.
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Right but the switch isn’t falling off a cliff or declining fast enough to which that becomes a major concern. It is having soft declines from what I can tell, aging “gracefully” especially relative to past Nintendo systems. Even if the system has a sharper decline next year over this year, they can still tide over into the following year and release a successor for that holiday (even after a further decline) as they are starting relatively high. Even assuming a crossgen does happen does ensure engagement with those games are kept.

Thought would mean combining the sales between Switch and Switch-NeXt until a point like with PS4 and 5. They aren’t going to drop it cold Turkey yet until it is safe enough to do so, which could probably mean another year or 2 of support for the system. Ending 2026/2027.
 
9-Volt said:
I don't expect a long cycle like Switch but 6 months is just too short.

11-12 month cycle is perfect for the successor. That's what 3DS had:

March, 2010 - Initial reveal. Just what it is, when it's coming etc.
June 2010 - E3 Blowout. First time we saw the console. Lots of games, including launch software, were announced.
March 2011 - Launch. Just 1 year after the first reveal. (Feb in Japan)

For successor, 11 months should be better, Let the Switch have its final holiday season. January - June - November is my guess.
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there's no reason to have a year long cycle now that information travels much quicker. the year long cycle didn't do shit for the 3DS, so I don't see why they needed it. not like it gave time for games to be ready
 
9-Volt said:
I don't expect a long cycle like Switch but 6 months is just too short.

11-12 month cycle is perfect for the successor. That's what 3DS had:

March, 2010 - Initial reveal. Just what it is, when it's coming etc.
June 2010 - E3 Blowout. First time we saw the console. Lots of games, including launch software, were announced.
March 2011 - Launch. Just 1 year after the first reveal. (Feb in Japan)

For successor, 11 months should be better, Let the Switch have its final holiday season. January - June - November is my guess.
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Anything close to a year is already excessive imo. Discounting that fiscal report announcement, the Switch had less than a 6 month reveal cycle. A successor can and should do the same without a hitch, especially with the prospect of cross-gen.
 
ILikeFeet said:
there's no reason to have a year long cycle. there's no reason for it now that information travels much quicker. the year long cycle didn't do shit for the 3DS, so I don't see why they needed it for the 3DS. not like it gave time for games to be ready
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+ the 3DS was apparently supposed to release in Q4 2010 so the cycle would've been even shorter 😌
 
At the risk of being ridiculed, has anybody here toyed with Judder Reduction on modern TVs? Was testing some settings out on the S95B and I was honestly very surprised at how it impacted content.

I read comments on the topic from 2017/18 mocking it for adding tons of input lag and artifacts, but in the very brief time I toyed with Breath of the Wild actually had me convinced to keep using it.
 
I mean, consoles are the only one that apparently seem to need a year or more for advertising, but everything else (and I mean everything else that’s a mass marketed electronic these days) does get less than a year, and they seemingly do fine.

Or maybe I missed some that do long cycles… I’m being honest here as I’m only coming from what I know
 
D36 said:
Anything close to a year is already excessive imo. Discounting that fiscal report announcement, the Switch had less than a 6 month reveal cycle. A successor can and should do the same without a hitch, especially with the prospect of cross-gen.
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Well, they can have both the initial reveal and the blowout at the same time in June, with the system launching 5 months later. What I'm sure of is a holiday season won't come in between, as, unlike 3DS and Wii U, Switch still has some juice in it. This holiday season should belong to it. I expect a one final sku to spice things up this year.
 
karmitt said:
At the risk of being ridiculed, has anybody here toyed with Judder Reduction on modern TVs? Was testing some settings out on the S95B and I was honestly very surprised at how it impacted content.

I read comments on the topic from 2017/18 mocking it for adding tons of input lag and artifacts, but in the very brief time I toyed with Breath of the Wild actually had me convinced to keep using it.
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What does it do? I don't think my TV has that since it's over a decade old.
 
D36 said:
What does it do? I don't think my TV has that since it's over a decade old.
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I believe it’s motion interpolation. Without knowing much more about it, it looks like it’s attempting to create the frames from 30 fps to 60 fps.

Apparently it falls apart with busier scenes, something I didn’t test at all.
 
jaycie said:
+ the 3DS was apparently supposed to release in Q4 2010 so the cycle would've been even shorter 😌
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And the initial "what it is and when it's coming" was pushed forward because of leaks. The intent was the summer reveal, holiday release some neophytes here say is "impossible" or "unprecedented".

That was their plan... In 2010.
 
karmitt said:
At the risk of being ridiculed, has anybody here toyed with Judder Reduction on modern TVs? Was testing some settings out on the S95B and I was honestly very surprised at how it impacted content.

I read comments on the topic from 2017/18 mocking it for adding tons of input lag and artifacts, but in the very brief time I toyed with Breath of the Wild actually had me convinced to keep using it.
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I haven't tried it on my current TV, so it's possible that the tech has updated, but if you dig it, that's all the matters. What did you notice in terms of improvements?

It seems some modern TVs do black frame insertion when also doing judder reduction, so you may be getting a suite of related settings turned on.
 
D36 said:
Me when the Persona 3 Remake comes out right after I beat P3P.
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JAHAJAJJAJAA I personally can’t wait for it! Hopefully it’s on REDACTED as well!

karmitt said:
Apparently it falls apart with busier scenes, something I didn’t test at all.
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Try Pokemon 🤭

Concernt said:
And the initial "what it is and when it's coming" was pushed forward because of leaks. The intent was the summer reveal, holiday release some neophytes here say is "impossible" or "unprecedented".

That was their plan... In 2010.
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True 🥴
 
ILikeFeet said:
good news, allegedly it won't even feature the FemC, so Atlus makes you pay for a game twice!
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Afaik, there isn't really anything that suggests that, all we really have to go off of is a 5 second clip from two years ago. I personally see no point in not having her route there, as well as The Answer epilogue (though the latter might be DLC). Hoping Atlus doesn't disappoint me yet again.
 
oldpuck said:
I haven't tried it on my current TV, so it's possible that the tech has updated, but if you dig it, that's all the matters. What did you notice in terms of improvements?

It seems some modern TVs do black frame insertion when also doing judder reduction, so you may be getting a suite of related settings turned on.
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I can see a separate setting that looks like it’s doing black frame insertion - “noise reduction”.

Main improvements were that the game felt like it was running closer to 60fps. Shimmering was also a lot less bothersome. I need to test it out more later as we only played around for a few minutes on Zelda.
 
Instro said:
It's release window was announced a year in advance because it was materially impacting their FY forecasts for the upcoming FY.
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That was only after they had already publicly acknowledged it due to the smartphone thing. Nintendo rarely speaks on things that they've yet to publicly acknowledge at these investor briefings.
 
D36 said:
Afaik, there isn't really anything that suggests that, all we really have to go off of is a 5 second clip from two years ago. I personally see no point in not having her route there, as well as The Answer epilogue (though the latter might be DLC). Hoping Atlus doesn't disappoint me yet again.
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I think it was an insider on era who leaked a bunch of atlus stuff that said that the P3 remake won't have P3P stuff, just Fes
 
9-Volt said:
I don't expect a long cycle like Switch but 6 months is just too short.
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But the Switch’s actual cycle wasn’t long. We officially knew nothing about the system until the October 2016 reveal trailer, and the launch was in March 2017.

What you describe as hype was just reassurance in the face of atrocious Wii U sales and a quickly declining 3DS, mostly directed at investors.
 
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I can play Nintendo Switch games until 2025.

What I can't do is deal with the "540p 25 FPS" discourse until 2025. For that reason - and that reason alone - Nintendo needs to hurry tf up 🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm still coping my way to an H2 2023 launch
 
Even if the Hawk stuff was just made up i do still think nintendo is going take advantage of fact that everyone has a smart phone and lots of people already have switches by letting people use their switch or smartphone as WiiU style gamepads for docked and tabletop modes. We already know from that patent nintendo was considering letting people use their smart phones with consoles as a form of AR and have been talking about wanting more cross promotion between console stuff, mobile stuff, and other media stuff.
 
ExoticSpice said:
I think a camera and a mic will be added and new OS apps will be made because of it. Games can also use them as well.
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It might not have a camera as they seem to have removed the camera aspect of T239 and made it more streamlined for gaming purposes

It also might not have a mic.

Emphasis on might.
 
PandaAndino said:
well not posted it here, but the other place has such anti nintendo propanganda than they think my videos are fake. For noone surprise TOKT can run at 60fps 720p open areas in portable mode on switch oled hardware.

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Curious to see how it runs on a sky island. Seems from what I’ve read online, those are the places that struggle the most?
 
PandaAndino said:
well not posted it here, but the other place has such anti nintendo propanganda than they think my videos are fake. For noone surprise TOKT can run at 60fps 720p open areas in portable mode on switch oled hardware.

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Overclocked for sure to hit that number. What mod are you using for the fps counter/history?
 
ezidro3 said:
Curious to see how it runs on a sky island. Seems from what I’ve read online, those are the places that struggle the most?
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54 to 60( it vary for the amount of clouds rendered) not video for the moment cuz im on my bed now.

Discostew said:
Overclocked for sure to hit that number. What mod are you using for the fps counter/history?
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Last version of status monitor with tesla overlay.
 
PandaAndino said:
Last version of status monitor with tesla overlay.
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Ah. I'm on 0.8.0, but the latest version is 0.9.0 from what I see. Forgot that there was also extra for the FPS counter/graph via SaltyNX + NX-FPS. Will look into that, but I'm still on the prior FW + Atmosphere releases.
 
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PandaAndino said:
well not posted it here, but the other place has such anti nintendo propanganda than they think my videos are fake. For noone surprise TOKT can run at 60fps 720p open areas in portable mode on switch oled hardware.

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So, am I to understand that it can only go to 60fps through modding or overclocking the Switch?
 
Z-Z0 said:
All the PS5 Pro information comes from Tom Henderson. A single person out of many who are in the know. If not for him all those other people would just stay tight lipped and we wouldn't know anything about it.
The fact that such a single person hasn't turned up yet for Switch Drake doesn't prove anything about it's release timing.
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Sony don't hire shinobis for such acts like Nintendo does.
 
karmitt said:
At the risk of being ridiculed, has anybody here toyed with Judder Reduction on modern TVs? Was testing some settings out on the S95B and I was honestly very surprised at how it impacted content.

I read comments on the topic from 2017/18 mocking it for adding tons of input lag and artifacts, but in the very brief time I toyed with Breath of the Wild actually had me convinced to keep using it.
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I don't recommend it for games that struggle maintaining a stable 30fps like Monster Hunter Rise, because when you get just below 30fps, the Judder Reduction falls apart. It's alright i guess for truly stable 30fps content, but any quick movements will have very noticeable artifacting and input lag is at least doubled from what i was able to tell while using it. Though i do have to say, if your TV has black frame insertion, (I'm on Samsung QN90B QLED which supports it) it does absolute wonders for 60fps content like Metroid Prime Remastered. The motion clarity is outstanding but you lose some brightness. Though it's not really usable for 30fps because then you have to deal with a slight flicker because the black frames persists for double the time compared to 60fps.
 
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Thombias said:
I don't recommend it for games that struggle maintaining a stable 30fps like Monster Hunter Rise, because when you get just below 30fps, the Judder Reduction falls apart. It's alright i guess for truly stable 30fps content, but any quick movements will have very noticeable artifacting and input lag is at least doubled from what i was able to tell while using it. Though i do have to say, if your TV has black frame insertion, (I'm on Samsung QN90B QLED which supports it) it does absolute wonders for 60fps content like Metroid Prime Remastered. The motion clarity is outstanding but you lose some brightness. Though it's not really usable for 30fps because then you have to deal with a slight flicker because the black frames persists for double the time compared to 60fps.
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Thanks! I’ll be testing things out after Tears drops.

I was kind of put off by the brightness reduction when I tried the black frame insertion, as the S95Bs brightness is one of my favorite aspects, but I’ll give it a go next time I play a 60fps title.
 
9-Volt said:
That's where I am. Nintendo needs to hype this thing up for a whole year long, starting with early in the year, launching in late fall. In 2024. Everyone's forgetting about how Nintendo started teasing Switch with NX mention years ago. The upcoming console was confirmed and Nintendo kept teasing it. For the successor, Nintendo might need a whole year to ramp up some hype in the mainstream crowd.
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We're not in 1996 anymore. Nor 2000s.

This is 2023. All you need is a 10 second teaser on twitter and watch the hype blow out of proportion.
 
9-Volt said:
Well, they can have both the initial reveal and the blowout at the same time in June, with the system launching 5 months later. What I'm sure of is a holiday season won't come in between, as, unlike 3DS and Wii U, Switch still has some juice in it. This holiday season should belong to it. I expect a one final sku to spice things up this year.
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its generally a terrible idea to launch a successor product once the old one is completely dead and dry
 
neon said:
its generally a terrible idea to launch a successor product once the old one is completely dead and dry
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The ideal is probably to launch a BC system before the old one is dry, and have plenty of cross gen titles so theres still a lot to play if you dont upgrade straight away.
 
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