StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

[Bosintang]

I've said for a while now that TotK suited a Switch Pro but was insufficient for a Switch 2

Something that the Wii and Switch had in common was that their power increases relative to their predecessors were negligible and their main appeal lied elsewhere (motion controls and portability). If they're going to sell something on power it needs software that uses it

I'm going to keep it real with you, forum enjoyers. I've never believed in a Switch Pro and there's nothing that I like more than being right on the internet. Especially on the internet.

With that being said, 2021-me would have very much enjoyed a 400 bucks OLED switch with a better cooling system allowing to overclock Mariko and a faster RAM. If they wanted to limit the number of performance profiles, they could have made handheld mode running with docked performances, and docked mode being an almost Xbox1. I don't think that having 3 performance profiles would have been such a hassle. It's unfortunate that they didn't go this route.

 

[Concernt]

It will use a Switch branding but it won't be called Switch 2. Also not Super Nintendo Switch since SNS in Japan is refered to social media. Don't quote me.

NSW is the official Nintendo Switch abbreviation in Japan, so, SNSW wouldn't be too out of the ordinary. Or SNW.

I'm not sure what the name will be, but this always seems like a silly reason to disregard Super Switch, especially when it could be "Nintendo Super Switch", etc.

 

[Bosintang]

thats...not the same at all?
The jump between N64 and GC was so huge, we will never have that jump again, AND the change in tech/architecture is bigger then if you would jump now from platform to platform.

switch 2 will be backwards compatible, will play the same games.
Lets see...what could we compare it to...
maybe some of sonys BIGGEST RELEASES.
Horizon? GoW? Cross gen, and heavily used to promote PS5.

There's diminishing returns but it's certainly the same thing: the main argument for the GameCube was being more powerful than the n64. Same as Drake, which main argument will I'm all likelihood to be more powerful than the switch. The differential in power may be a bit different, but that's second order considerations in that context.

Sony has indeed reached a point where diminishing returns are such that it becomes very hard to make a PS5 game that can't run on PS4.

Anyway, that conversation is pointless as we now know that Nintendo agrees that TOTK isn't the game to showcase the Switch 2. My guess is Mario. Always has been.

 

[LukasManak22]

NSW is the official Nintendo Switch abbreviation in Japan, so, SNSW wouldn't be too out of the ordinary. Or SNW.

I'm not sure what the name will be, but this always seems like a silly reason to disregard Super Switch, especially when it could be "Nintendo Super Switch", etc.

Oh yeah I forgot about NSW. Still, I feel like Super just sounds too cheap, Super Famicon exists yeah. But I don't know. Nintendo will probably once again do something weird but it will work.

 

[Simba1]

They will absolutely market Switch Advance with a TotK patch and make that exact statement (this is the best way to play Switch games), but I don't think it should be or needs to be the headliner. They could have a big game in the form of a Bowser's Fury style 3D Mario that demonstrates a graphical leap and really leverages 4K resolution. We are anticipating Switch 2 to have the same form factor as Switch 1, so I think power and exclusive games will be the biggest differences to highlight in marketing. I don't think they should undersell this console, they need to make it obvious Day 0 "this is a much more powerful hybrid console that is capable of 4K and can produce next-gen visuals".

Yes, but effect would be much weaker because game was already around 5-6 months on market (if count that Switch 2 is releasing this year),
its much stronger market effect when you can buy right away that hardware and that big great new games. I mean it would similar Zelda BotW situation in that case.
There will not be that big graphical leap outside higher resolution because they will be all cross gen games, but if you want to talk about specifik games, than exclusive Switch 2 games will have biggest impact, and we talking about 3rd party games (I dont think Nintendo will have exclusive Switch 2 games right a way).

TotK is big, but it's not so big that it absolutely demands new hardware release alongside it. Especially when Nintendo's other big launch title series, Mario (both in 2D and 3D forms), has been conspicuously absent for so long.

Off Course, not one saying that TotK need to be launched with Switch, but if new hardware is releasing same year like TotK, than Nintendo wouldn't want to miss opportunity to launch Switch 2 alongside Zelda TotK. I mean last year over 50% people here expected that new Switch hardware will be launched alongside TotK.

 

[Skittzo]

Switch: The Next Generation

Spoiler: There were 11 devkits!

 

[kvetcha]

Fits right in with the pitched Wii names

Extreme Switch

 

[Dizzle]

They were filming something on the second floor of the Nintendo store. No idea what.

 

[Skittzo]

They were filming something on the second floor of the Nintendo store. No idea what.

Probably Mario movie related.

 

[Dizzle]

Probably Mario movie related.

Yeah, good guess. There's already a Mario day sign in the window, too.

 

[Aether]

There's diminishing returns but it's certainly the same thing: the main argument for the GameCube was being more powerful than the n64. Same as Drake, which main argument will I'm all likelihood to be more powerful than the switch. The differential in power may be a bit different, but that's second order considerations in that context.

Sony has indeed reached a point where diminishing returns are such that it becomes very hard to make a PS5 game that can't run on PS4.

Anyway, that conversation is pointless as we now know that Nintendo agrees that TOTK isn't the game to showcase the Switch 2. My guess is Mario. Always has been.

Its not just about diminishing returns. Its that how computer graphics changed between mid 90ties and early 00 was so radical, that you could not compare N64. It would not be possible to just have the same base, and tweak parameters so that it takes the increased power into account.
You literary would have to rewrite a huge part of the engine.

From a technical perspective its the difference between a full on port to a different platform and a patch.
You really cant say its the same. )from a technical perspective)

From a business perspective you could have a point...but even then i would argue you don't have one.
The market changed so much between 2001 and 2023, that the prepositions are not the same.
people are buying new hardware in the smartphone space even if it does not support new "exclusive" software. Every platform that launches is sold out for a while. marketing is as direct as it never was possible back then, and patching a game after its release to use the increased power of the next platform is possible. back then you literary had to print different cartridges.

Then we have cases where it was clear that a Zelda game, developed for the prior platform sold huge on the start of the next (TP, BotW) and helped push the next platform. (i know, here can be argued because the platforms prior where such flops). But just look at the sales of the OLED, it was sold out for a while and it only had a better screen. Not a single exclusive or software side feature.

 

[ILikeFeet]

I like the name Next Generation Machine

Next Generation Portable

Surely that hasn't been used for an underperforming handheld before. It's perfect!

 

[Hermii]

No matter how much bells and whistles you add, it will still be at core the same visuals. Those are great of course, and would be magnified by the more powerful hardware. We can already see that on emulators.

But you would also have day 1 third party games which would technically stomp TOTK just by virtue of being developed with a higher baseline.

I dont understand this argument. A game doesn't need to be exclusive to be a showpiece. Excluding the SSD stuff, are ratchet and the Dark Souls remake heads and shoulders above the rest of the ps5 library?

 

[ceejay]

Part of the Wii U’s failure was in its name. The next Switch will have to have a name that clearly establishes it as a next generation machine. Switch 2 or Super Nintendo Switch make sense, but Switch 2 would be the smartest if Nintendo plans on iterating on the Switch for the next 10-20 years. (When I say iterating on the Switch, I mean like Sony’s approach with the PlayStation).

Also, revealing the new console at the end of this year isn’t necessarily a death sentence for the Switch’s holiday sales. Nintendo can drop the price of the current models and offer some killer Black Friday bundles. I think this approach is much more likely than Nintendo announcing a new console in January or February.

 

[Goodtwin]

We are anticipating Switch 2 to have the same form factor as Switch 1, so I think power and exclusive games will be the biggest differences to highlight in marketing. I don't think they should undersell this console, they need to make it obvious Day 0 "this is a much more powerful hybrid console that is capable of 4K and can produce next-gen visuals".

This will be the first time in a long time where power/performance is a big piece of what they are selling the consumer. People understand what 4K is and that will be a big part of the messaging. We are likely looking at most if not all first party games being cross gen for the first year or two, but as soon as that new Switch model is on the market, games will primarily be advertised and shown off for the new Switch.

After the Wii U messaging fiasco, Nintendo became extremely to the point with their names, making sure the name describes what it is. "New" 3DS and Switch OLED are very to the point. I feel that as nostalgic as works like Super and Advance would be for those of us that have fond memories of those old consoles, its not very likely to jive with the current marketing leaders. Switch 2 or Switch 4K are front runners for me.

 

[palemire]

New! Nintendo SWiiTCH

 

[Simba1]

Part of the Wii U’s failure was in its name. The next Switch will have to have a name that clearly establishes it as a next generation machine. Switch 2 or Super Nintendo Switch make sense, but Switch 2 would be the smartest if Nintendo plans on iterating on the Switch for the next 10-20 years. (When I say iterating on the Switch, I mean like Sony’s approach with the PlayStation).

Also, revealing the new console at the end of this year isn’t necessarily a death sentence for the Switch’s holiday sales. Nintendo can drop the price of the current models and offer some killer Black Friday bundles. I think this approach is much more likely than Nintendo announcing a new console in January or February.

Yeah, Switch 2 is very simple i clear naming.
Sony with it Playstation naming (not counting handhelds) had easily best namings with out any troubles, while Nintendo and Microsoft very offten struggle with namining of its consoles.


Talking about reveal, I dont see point of revealing console this year if its not releasing this year, it deffinatly effect holiday sales and there not really gain compared to January-February reveal.

 

[Concernt]

This will be the first time in a long time where power/performance is a big piece of what they are selling the consumer. People understand what 4K is and that will be a big part of the messaging. We are likely looking at most if not all first party games being cross gen for the first year or two, but as soon as that new Switch model is on the market, games will primarily be advertised and shown off for the new Switch.

After the Wii U messaging fiasco, Nintendo became extremely to the point with their names, making sure the name describes what it is. "New" 3DS and Switch OLED are very to the point. I feel that as nostalgic as works like Super and Advance would be for those of us that have fond memories of those old consoles, its not very likely to jive with the current marketing leaders. Switch 2 or Switch 4K are front runners for me.

I actually think Advance works in that context.

It's an ADVANCED Nintendo Switch.

 

[Anatole]

I lived in Japan for a pretty long time. You didn't.

Also, you should know better than taking such hyperbolic and outrageous statement at face value.
But well, you just wanted to clash so I won't entertain this further.

And the tea from Shizuoka is really better than the one from Uji.

To answer you seriously*, there are two biases which I can think of which can give this impression:

1. Foreigners visiting or in my case living in Japan are often more invested in the local culture/country than those immigrating other countries. I was fluent in Japanese before moving there. I didn't know shit about Spanish when moving to Barcelona, and I'm honestly still not that great. Therefore, immigrants arrive in the country with an already broad knowledge of what to expect, probably broader than for people moving to another place.

2. Japanese people, from what I've seen, are often deeply invested in 1 or 2 hobbies, or at least a more limited number than in the west. They will be unbeatable at the said hobby and will dedicate a lot of time to it. It can be mountaineering, fishing, kickboxing, French classic ballet etc. But since it takes time to acquire such knowledge, the same person will in return have a more limited knowledge of things that just don't interest them. And since the favorite activity of an immigrant like me in Japan was to talk about what he knew in Japan, it often gave the impression that locals knew very little about their own country, and I'm far from being the only one who got that impression.

*Obviously, everything I'm saying here stems from my own impression.

These posts made me realize, your Era username was Zakatana/Babouk, right?

 

[Dekuman]

Part of the Wii U’s failure was in its name. The next Switch will have to have a name that clearly establishes it as a next generation machine. Switch 2 or Super Nintendo Switch make sense, but Switch 2 would be the smartest if Nintendo plans on iterating on the Switch for the next 10-20 years. (When I say iterating on the Switch, I mean like Sony’s approach with the PlayStation).

Also, revealing the new console at the end of this year isn’t necessarily a death sentence for the Switch’s holiday sales. Nintendo can drop the price of the current models and offer some killer Black Friday bundles. I think this approach is much more likely than Nintendo announcing a new console in January or February.

Name is part of it but it was compounded by Nintendos emphasis on the tablet which confused people as to whether it was a new console or a tablet Wii

A brand new console with its own wiimote called the Wii U would not be as confusing

I do agree they need to stop being too fancy with their names. Just go with what works

 

[Aether]

Part of the Wii U’s failure was in its name. The next Switch will have to have a name that clearly establishes it as a next generation machine. Switch 2 or Super Nintendo Switch make sense, but Switch 2 would be the smartest if Nintendo plans on iterating on the Switch for the next 10-20 years. (When I say iterating on the Switch, I mean like Sony’s approach with the PlayStation).

Also, revealing the new console at the end of this year isn’t necessarily a death sentence for the Switch’s holiday sales. Nintendo can drop the price of the current models and offer some killer Black Friday bundles. I think this approach is much more likely than Nintendo announcing a new console in January or February.

back then: yeah.
Now? eh.
we have phones that are called "pro x" or "nord 2T" or "6a" or to look at iphone:
14 Pro, 14, 13, SE, 12, all running IOS 16.
They sell the macbooks by M1 and M2 designation based on the processor.

People are more used to those naming schemes,
information online is easy to find and compare,
the audience for wii was full with causals, while switch audiences are more "aware" about gaming. (just look at software adoption).
They literary can advertise the new one on the home screen of the switch.

Wii U was a bad product, it was not just the name that was the problem, the timing, the marketing, the available software... all of it was bad.

For switch, if the price is okay (in times where PS5 still costs 600 here),
it has nintendo games in better visuals and does not get less snappy with the OS and the marketing is not cringe, i don't see the name being a problem.

 

[Bosintang]

I dont understand this argument. A game doesn't need to be exclusive to be a showpiece. Excluding the SSD stuff, are ratchet and the Dark Souls remake heads and shoulders above the rest of the ps5 library?

When considering a machine like Drake compared to the Switch, kinda yeah. If it's not clear on release that Drake can do what the Switch can't, I see a lot of people being confused about what that new console is.

The case of the PlayStation is different for 3 reasons:
1. It's playstation 5 against 4. Like it was playstation 4 against 3 before, and 3 against 2 and so on. People know what they're buying. More of the same. They know it's a new console generation, they know that with a PS5, they're good for the next 7 years of the PlayStation experience TM.

2. Sony has reached a point where indeed, it becomes hard to make games visually better than the previous generation. While I love the Switch and find it still impressive after 6 years, Nintendo isn't on that level and the gap between the switch and Drake will be much larger than between the two PlayStations. As Drake's main argument is to be on a level somehow comparable with the big boy consoles, you need big boy visuals.

3. "Excluding the SSD stuff". Well, don't exclude it then. When buying a PS5, you also buy the "SSD stuff" and whatever it permits.

 

[Bosintang]

These posts made me realize, your Era username was Zakatana/Babouk, right?

I don't have a resetera account, I was just lurking.

 

[Anatole]

I don't have a resetera account, I was just lurking.

 

[Hermii]

When considering a machine like Drake compared to the Switch, kinda yeah. If it's not clear on release that Drake can do what the Switch can't, I see a lot of people being confused about what that new console is.

The case of the PlayStation is different for 3 reasons:
1. It's playstation 5 against 4. Like it was playstation 4 against 3 before, and 3 against 2 and so on. People know what they're buying. More of the same. They know it's a new console generation, they know that with a PS5, they're good for the next 7 years of the PlayStation experience TM.

2. Sony has reached a point where indeed, it becomes hard to make games visually better than the previous generation. While I love the Switch and find it still impressive after 6 years, Nintendo isn't on that level and the gap between the switch and Drake will be much larger than between the two PlayStations. As Drake's main argument is to be on a level somehow comparable with the big boy consoles, you need big boy visuals.

3. "Excluding the SSD stuff". Well, don't exclude it then. When buying a PS5, you also buy the "SSD stuff" and whatever it permits.

Nothing will shake me in the idea that 4k60fps TotK with higher settings, will show off That Drake is orders of magnitude more powerful.it would be considered one of the most gorgeous games for the system, even if they do the bare minimum.

So it's a wasted conversation.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I think the guy simply meant that.. It's a next generation machine.

I know that. I’m joking around lol

 

[Goodtwin]

I actually think Advance works in that context.

It's an ADVANCED Nintendo Switch.

I don't hate it or anything, but I just don't see that as a modern way of advertising a new console. Switch 2 is far and away the easier way to make sure consumers understand its a brand new console, and Switch 4K works if Nintendo is looking for a soft transition with it being primarily marketed as a part of the Switch family. Regardless, it will be important for the less informed consumer to understand what this new model offers them that their current Switch doesn't.

 

[LoneRanger]

Announcement at late 2023, releasing early 2024.

But, if this all true, we should really get some reports from Nikkei/Bloomberg sources around late April, very near FY2022/23 results presentation.

Software lineup I think is an interesting topic of discussion.

 

[LinkURL]

Thinking about it, I think Prime 4 would be a perfect launch title, likely a technical showcase, and would put the Prime series in the spotlight. Switch 2 will be sold out for months, so there's no real need to launch with Mario 3D, especially when its new hardware is the successor to the last big hit in the industry.
Imagine all buyers taking MP4s home with their console, and a series that was once considered niche can now be introduced to new audiences for convenience, I believe that would be perfect Marketing.

 

[Raccoon]

y'all ever think about how zakatana was probably telling the truth about his students getting scooped up for splatoon 3

I think about it almost every day

 

[Serif]

I don't hate it or anything, but I just don't see that as a modern way of advertising a new console. Switch 2 is far and away the easier way to make sure consumers understand its a brand new console, and Switch 4K works if Nintendo is looking for a soft transition with it being primarily marketed as a part of the Switch family. Regardless, it will be important for the less informed consumer to understand what this new model offers them that their current Switch doesn't.

I don't Switch 4K immediately communicates the power differential. Makes it seem like an existing Switch with 4K output enabled. Similar devices like set-top boxes (Roku, Fire TV) make a distinction between 'power/more features' (Max,Ultra) and '4K output enabled' e.g. Fire TV 4K, Fire TV 4K Max. 4K also doesn't reflect handheld mode.

 

[stodesign12]

Both Lite and OLED were announced in July. I can see it happen again.

 

[Dark Cloud]

y'all ever think about how zakatana was probably telling the truth about his students getting scooped up for splatoon 3

I think about it almost every day

There’s a name I haven’t heard in forever lmao

 

[Mirev]

Every name that is not Switch 2 is automatically a bad choice.

 

[Pokemaniac]

Off Course, not one saying that TotK need to be launched with Switch, but if new hardware is releasing same year like TotK, than Nintendo wouldn't want to miss opportunity to launch Switch 2 alongside Zelda TotK. I mean last year over 50% people here expected that new Switch hardware will be launched alongside TotK.

People expected TotK to be the launch game because that's what Nintendo did last time, but that's just recency bias speaking. Historically, Mario platformers and tech demo games are more closely associated with being the launch titles of Nintendo consoles. 3D Zelda is an option they added recently, but that doesn't mean the other options aren't still on the table.

Also, looking at the development history of TotK, launching it this close to hardware doesn't really seem to have been the original intent. We know it was delayed out of 2022, but previous internal delays seem likely with the original announcement so close to the start of the pandemic.

 

[Raccoon]

Every name that is not Switch 2 is automatically a bad choice.

switch 2 is actually the worst choice. it communicates that nintendo has no interest in creativity or progress in their hardware

"the old thing but again, please buy it" is the antithesis of nintendo and I'll be very nervous about the company if that's the direction they go in communicating the device. even a simple power upgrade should be conveyed in a way that doesn't condemn their future

 

[Bosintang]

Nothing will shake me in the idea that 4k60fps TotK with higher settings, will show off That Drake is orders of magnitude more powerful.

Can you imagine what an exclusive Mario 3D could do then?

But indeed, we can stop here since Nintendo clearly didn't believe that their next console needs Zelda. We will see if they believe that it needs Mario 3D as I'm thinking. I'm just biased towards Mario.

 

[Dekuman]

I do strongly believe they will launch with a Mario in the launch window, likely 3D mario..

It could be a flipped script from theor 2017 launch. Launch with a 3D sandbox Mario , throw in 4K patches for select Switch titles including recently released TotK, Pikmin and Metroid Prime 4. Have a new (2D) Zelda title out within 6-9 months to round out the same one-two punch. In between will be a series of smaller releases and exclusives.

I just hope they don't make the same mistake as with the 3DS and Wii U and have like 20+ titles launch near day 1. They will all fail expect for 1 or 2 first party times and generate resentment from 3rd parties. if they do get a strong series of launch games, they should space those out over the first year.

 

[kalosmani]

switch 2 is actually the worst choice. it communicates that nintendo has no interest in creativity or progress in their hardware

"the old thing but again, please buy it" is the antithesis of nintendo and I'll be very nervous about the company if that's the direction they go in communicating the device. even a simple power upgrade should be conveyed in a way that doesn't condemn their future

Exactly this is why Wii U destroyed the PS4 in sales. Apple and Samsung have also failed with their numbered naming conventions.

 

[Klax0nKlax0ff]

I know the name of this thing is a tired topic but let me pose a question. Has a successor Nintendo device of the same “family” (Famicom/NES, Gameboy, DS, Wii) ever outsold or generated more revenue than its predecessor? I don’t think so but I could be wrong. With the last Wii/WiiU debacle, maybe Nintendo is better off ditching the Switch moniker all together. It could still be backwards compatible with Switch and Nintendo could still market that. As long as they are clear in the reveal that’s the case, maybe psychologically having a brand new name would be more effective at selling it as a new generation?

 

[Concernt]

I don't hate it or anything, but I just don't see that as a modern way of advertising a new console. Switch 2 is far and away the easier way to make sure consumers understand its a brand new console, and Switch 4K works if Nintendo is looking for a soft transition with it being primarily marketed as a part of the Switch family. Regardless, it will be important for the less informed consumer to understand what this new model offers them that their current Switch doesn't.

I really can't see any ounce of logic in those names. 4K? Then what do you call the Lite?

2? And now you have uninformed consumers thinking 5>2 therefore PS5! Yeah, it won't be Switch 2.

Do I think Switch Advance is more LIKELY than these names? I don't know. Is it better? Absolutely. And their marketing department knows it.

Advance at least avoids those problems, while communicating things super simply.

It's just I can't be 100% certain Nintendo won't go against their OWN better judgement.

y'all ever think about how zakatana was probably telling the truth about his students getting scooped up for splatoon 3

I think about it almost every day

What... What on EARTH does this mean, Racc

 

[Stinky Horse]

Launching a console with Mario was normal until Luigi came along and ruined everything

 

[Skittzo]

I know the name of this thing is a tired topic but let me pose a question. Has a successor Nintendo device of the same “family” (Famicom/NES, Gameboy, DS, Wii) ever outsold or generated more revenue than its predecessor? I don’t think so but I could be wrong. With the last Wii/WiiU debacle, maybe Nintendo is better off ditching the Switch moniker all together. It could still be backwards compatible with Switch and Nintendo could still market that. As long as they are clear in the reveal that’s the case, maybe psychologically having a brand new name would be more effective at selling it as a new generation?

GBA was massively outselling GB/GBC on a YoY basis but they cut its life short so the total numbers don't reflect that.

 

[Truno]

switch 2 is actually the worst choice. it communicates that nintendo has no interest in creativity or progress in their hardware

"the old thing but again, please buy it" is the antithesis of nintendo and I'll be very nervous about the company if that's the direction they go in communicating the device. even a simple power upgrade should be conveyed in a way that doesn't condemn their future

Omg the, "Iwata and Reggie would never..." posts that'll ensue if the console is called Switch 2

 

[Sol]

Part of the Wii U’s failure was in its name. The next Switch will have to have a name that clearly establishes it as a next generation machine. Switch 2 or Super Nintendo Switch make sense, but Switch 2 would be the smartest if Nintendo plans on iterating on the Switch for the next 10-20 years. (When I say iterating on the Switch, I mean like Sony’s approach with the PlayStation).

100% agree with this. The name is critical. I worry that it's either going to be a new platform name altogether ("Nintendo Go, Nintendo Flip" etc), which would be foolish given that it will be the same form factor and type of device - or, that it will be something like "Switch 4K" or "Switch Max" which doesn't really clearly convey a successor system.

The clear and simple naming scheme for Playstation over the last 25+ years has been one of the brand's strengths.

 

[Raccoon]

Omg the, "Iwata and Reggie would never..." posts that'll ensue if the console is called Switch 2

hate myself for saying it but I'm actually pretty confident that iwata wouldn't go for it. he is said to have cared a great deal about communicative names

Exactly this is why Wii U destroyed the PS4 in sales. Apple and Samsung have also failed with their numbered naming conventions.

I care far more about nintendo's creative direction than their commercial success. I play their systems, not media create threads

 

[Kevin]

Switch: The Next Generation

Spoiler: There were 11 devkits!

They were all red shirts.

 

[Serif]

switch 2 is actually the worst choice. it communicates that nintendo has no interest in creativity or progress in their hardware

"the old thing but again, please buy it" is the antithesis of nintendo and I'll be very nervous about the company if that's the direction they go in communicating the device. even a simple power upgrade should be conveyed in a way that doesn't condemn their future

Why frame it as "the old thing but again" rather "the old thing but better", like what "Super Nintendo" and "Game Boy Advance" did? People gladly eat up "old thing but better". I don't see much of a functional difference between those names and 'NES 2 / GB 2', other than sounding more 'oomphy'.

For what it's worth I'm unsure if Nintendo even likes using "2", When they named the Super Game Boy 2 it was a minor upgrade that didn't even play GBC games. And in that list of proposed names for the Wii, I don't see a single sequential numbering suggestion among the many that are there, though I'll need to see the full spreadsheet.

 

[Raccoon]

obviously a system called switch 2 isn't inherently worse than one with a name but it would communicate a shift within the company that would make me very concerned

 

[Eclissi]

Edit.