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Raccoon said:
yep. regardless of how we split the hairs, 2023 is dead

pikmin 4 my beloved...
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No, it isn't. One statement from a journalist does not definitive evidence make. Once again I'll point you to the following:

This chip seems to already have entered manufacturing.
This chip was customised for Nintendo.
It's not financially advisable to sit on billions worth of stock for upwards of 18 months.
Nintendo is a for-profit enterprise.
 
I mean, if the mid-gen refresh is canned, and suddenly talks of moving onwards from the SoC being 8nm to something like 7nm or even 5nm, maybe it is a definitive successor coming in 2023 instead?

Regardless of successor/revision, I've never doubted for an instance that the current Switch is precisely in the middle of its lifecycle like Furukawa said and will see crossgen support for a long time after the release of Switch 2. He also said “ready to break a pattern of our past consoles” (Bloomberg). Mobile tablet gaming emulating the mobile phone release schedule - just because the shiny new tech is out doesn't mean the old is immediately obsolete. They don't plan on resetting the player base every console moving forward. Switch and Switch 2 will coexist, until Switch 3 comes out and Switch 2/3 coexist...until Switch 4 comes out and Switch 3/4 coexist...so on and so forth.

At least backwards compatibility is all but guaranteed for a decade+ at a time.

fake edit: or are we focusing now where the quote says no new hardware for 2023?
 
Raccoon said:
yep. regardless of how we split the hairs, 2023 is dead

pikmin 4 my beloved...
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Nah, sadly digital foundry just doesn't have the info this time. Listen to their podcasts about the topic, they know nothing about Drake outside of the same info we know. Drake news keeps coming from Linux and production of the chip has already begun.
 
I think we should just wait until next year, this new Switch model is being kept in quite a large amount of secrecy, so I would wait for more concrete info at the moment. Go play some games.
 
Z0m3le said:
Nah, sadly digital foundry just doesn't have the info this time. Listen to their podcasts about the topic, they know nothing about Drake outside of the same info we know. Drake news keeps coming from Linux and production of the chip has already begun.
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True, if I remember , there were limited quantity back in September / October ?
 
Z0m3le said:
Nah, sadly digital foundry just doesn't have the info this time. Listen to their podcasts about the topic, they know nothing about Drake outside of the same info we know. Drake news keeps coming from Linux and production of the chip has already begun.
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but they've talked to developers and should, right? it's weird for their response to "2023 Switch?" to be "something got canned and I don't think 2023 is happening"
 
Hermii said:
@John_DF Do you have anything to elaborate about this canned model? Is it the one that was meant for late 2022/early 23? Is it the diss model? Or could it be something like an upclocked Mariko.
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I usually just lurk the thread but I don't think that's actually DF's John Linneman ahah
 
Thugstas said:
True, if I remember , there were limited quantity back in September / October ?
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From the documentation we do have, it appears this thing was in a state ready to finalise drivers between May and September, which strongly implies final production.
 
Ho god why haven't I just bought an OLED one year ago, I was like "ho no, the new model is probably a few months away"
Now my joy cons are dead and it seems this thing won't release until 2035 FFS
 
Concernt said:
...What a valuable contribution.

PCIe lane testing on non-final hardware is not something that would be expected, to put it mildly.
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oh shit, really? yeah my bad that actually sounds pretty definitive

there's still always an explanation for weirdness though and I won't concede that
 
Raccoon said:
but they've talked to developers and should, right? it's weird for their response to "2023 Switch?" to be "something got canned and I don't think 2023 is happening"
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The Linux updates are weeks old and still happening, there is testing going on right now.

Heck just last week, there was an update from the Splatoon 3 oled model leaker, saying that he saw a new Switch model casing, and that full production is starting in January. Then he deleted his posts.

Software also could be delayed outside of the launch window, this is not a new platform, just a much more powerful new model with next gen performance.
 
Just for reference, their podcast from three months ago:




Paraphrasing Rich:
If there are Linux submissions being made, the chip may be out of pre-production and entering fabrication. We may be looking at the Switch next year tied with Tears of the Kingdom. Nintendo is all about power-efficiency and don't expect it to be clocked high but it will obviously be a generational leap over Tegra X1.
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Raccoon said:
oh shit, really? yeah my bad that actually sounds pretty definitive

there's still always an explanation for weirdness though and I won't concede that
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Yes, absolutely. Anything could happen, last minute changes are always possible. The GameBoy was nearly killed just before assembly due to the screen being terrible, until they got STN panel samples and decided to go ahead with it. For my money I think this thing is still barrelling ahead, as we have nothing concrete to suggest it isn't. Even Digital Foundry themselves have said fabrication done so long ago Linux drivers can be made and released in September could mean a Tears of the Kingdom-timeframe release.
 
Concernt said:
Yes, absolutely. Anything could happen, last minute changes are always possible. The GameBoy was nearly killed just before assembly due to the screen being terrible, until they got STN panel samples and decided to go ahead with it.
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I'm kind of seeing your side because something like that would be a bigger story than we've gotten

nothing about any of this has ever made sense
 
Raccoon said:
I'm kind of seeing your side because something like that would be a bigger story than we've gotten

nothing about any of this has ever made sense
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As I forgot to add before pressing send, DF have also said things much in line with what I've been saying about final fabrication. Sorry about that. 😆
 
HankyPanky said:
i wouldn't take anything as definitive. but also anything is possible.

5nm Samsung Drake for 2024? wait a while to bring the cost down for cheap Nintendo, Mario Kart DLC was prophetic all along.
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if cost was the biggest issue, Drake would have never been as big as it is then. rather than wait and hope nodes get cheaper (because cost scaling has pretty much died), you'd just make a smaller product
 
Sidenote: Richs comment about Nintendo without exception being for battery life. Imo disagree with that. The original Erista, is an example where then pushed clocks.

Probably because 20nm is a shitty node for handhelds though.
 
The big thing to remember is that John is talking to a developer, and software has no baring on how early the hardware could launch, I expect a year and a half of cross gen at least, until exclusives start to come.
 
Z0m3le said:
The Linux updates are weeks old and still happening, there is testing going on right now.

Heck just last week, there was an update from the Splatoon 3 oled model leaker, saying that he saw a new Switch model casing, and that full production is starting in January. Then he deleted his posts.

Software also could be delayed outside of the launch window, this is not a new platform, just a much more powerful new model with next gen performance.
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Damn, I missed this. I do remember the time when we were in a heated discussion about that model.



I know its a lot of work: But could you tell me/us, when you were discussing this stuff? I mean the deleted posts. Would be awesome to link!!!
 
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Z0m3le said:
The big thing to remember is that John is talking to a developer, and software has no baring on how early the hardware could launch, I expect a year and a half of cross gen at least, until exclusives start to come.
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I agree when it comes to first party. But they would let third parties do whatever they want imo. And either way, John said nothing about exclusivity, he just talked about canned hardware.
 
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Z0m3le said:
Should wait a week or two, thing is, exclusive software isn't likely to launch alongside of it, so software leakers are not very reliable here. It's launching as a cross gen product.
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I more mean sitting out from this thread, I feel like it's about to become hostile and frustrating.
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
I’ll wait for Nate Drake before I drown in my own tears.
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NateDrake:

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