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What have I missed? Will the reveal be coming next year for the successor?
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Nothing new to report unless you've not looked since, like, August. And no one knows for sure.
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Thanks, I Seen the amount of new pages and assumed something happened…
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Thank you for the monthly check-in and reassurance. You don't have to do it, but it helps. Hope you have a happy holidays and a good new year.
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Go where? I don't exactly see AMD or Intel developing hardware that suits a hybrid gaming device, nor hardware that offers the same trickery that can be achieved at low power like Tensor or RT cores. Nvidia has been and (if AMD or Intel don't get something in the pipe Nintendo could transition to) will continue to be the right partner for what Nintendo wants to achieve, much like IBM and ATi were the right partners for them at the time of the GameCube's release, because good alternative solutions weren't exactly presenting themselves back then, either.
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MIPS announces its first RISC-V chip designs are now available for licensing - Liliputing
MIPS announces its first RISC-V chip designs are now available for licensing
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Imagination Technologies claims to prioritise interoperability between different CPU cores and IPs. So perhaps Imagination Technologies could be Nintendo's option in the future?MIPS
MIPS announces its first RISC-V chip designs are now available for licensing - Liliputing
MIPS announces its first RISC-V chip designs are now available for licensing
I think Imagination Technologies currently has been nothing, but completely full of shit, if the emoji didn't make that clear.
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Wait, I thought Intel has been working on their own dedicated hardware for RT and matrix math. Like I'm pretty sure that the Alchemist cards have RT and XMX units. Not saying that they're on par with Nvidia, but I don't think that Intel's ignoring those areas.
Edit: One more quick thought on Intel as a prospective partner...
It's funny, but as much as I'm intrigued by the possibility of Intel as a possible partner for the bigger set top box systems, I also think that Atom may be evolving in a direction away from competing with ARM's Cortex-A cores. That is, I think that Intel could theoretically eventually make a nice partner for a 15-25 or mid-high double digit watt gaming devices, but not so much for the 15 watt and under like the Switch.
Edit: One more quick thought on Intel as a prospective partner...
It's funny, but as much as I'm intrigued by the possibility of Intel as a possible partner for the bigger set top box systems, I also think that Atom may be evolving in a direction away from competing with ARM's Cortex-A cores. That is, I think that Intel could theoretically eventually make a nice partner for a 15-25 or mid-high double digit watt gaming devices, but not so much for the 15 watt and under like the Switch.
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Intel’s RT in alchemist is ahead of Ampere and on par with their Ada, aka it isn’t a slouch. It is just hurt by software at the current time and lack of scaled up hardware.
Their XMX units are unknown afaik, but Intel has the potential to rival nvidia with proper software support, they have been the lead in enterprise in other markets over AMD for quite some time.
Speaking of, NVidia’s biggest competitor will be Intel at some point, not so much AMD.
And as evident with the competitive RT of Alchemist, Intel sees nVidia as the main rival already.
(For GPUs)
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I think Terrell's talking about APUs with respect to Intel. In that case, Meteor Lake's iGPU is rumoured to have dedicated ray tracing hardware, but not dedicated XMX hardware. So assuming the rumour is accurate, Intel is currently only half way there in terms of providing the complete package, iGPU wise.
Considering the recent news from IEDM 2022 about how TSMC's N3E process node's high density (HD) SRAM cell being the same size as TSMC's N5 process node's HD SRAM cell at 0.021 µm², and TSMC's N3B process node's HD SRAM cell being only ~5.24% smaller than TSMC's N5 process node's HD SRAM cell at 0.0199 µm², the fact that Nintendo using eDRAM for the Wii could be considered forward thinking feels a little surreal to me (at least that's my interpretation).
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Even Sony doesn't custom CPU designs, CELL was mostly wasted and gaming consoles would be more likely to do custom GPUs instead and even that hasn't happened since the PS2 era. Nintendo will stay with ARM because it's ubiquitous, well understood and well supported with gaming centric variants.
They will move to a new design when there's a good alternative ecosystem to move to and or the alternative offered massive advantages in terms of power or efficiency not found on ARM. They won't be a piorneer. In fact, I would think they could be one of the last companies to move out of ARM for their hybrid/portables should RISCV somehow surpass ARM CPUs as the preferred design for mobile devices.
They will move to a new design when there's a good alternative ecosystem to move to and or the alternative offered massive advantages in terms of power or efficiency not found on ARM. They won't be a piorneer. In fact, I would think they could be one of the last companies to move out of ARM for their hybrid/portables should RISCV somehow surpass ARM CPUs as the preferred design for mobile devices.
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There’s a demo?! I check this site and Era multiple times a day, how did I miss this haha.
But yeah for that game, since I won’t get to it for a while anyway, I’m gonna wait to see if/when it gets patched when Drake comes out next summer. If Drake’s a phantom somehow or the patched version still looks below par I’ll go for the PS5 version.
There are more players in the mobile space, than those though. Qualcom, imagination, powerVR, Mediatek, Mali to name a few.Go where? I don't exactly see AMD or Intel developing hardware that suits a hybrid gaming device, nor hardware that offers the same trickery that can be achieved at low power like Tensor or RT cores. Nvidia has been and (if AMD or Intel don't get something in the pipe Nintendo could transition to) will continue to be the right partner for what Nintendo wants to achieve, much like IBM and ATi were the right partners for them at the time of the GameCube's release, because good alternative solutions weren't exactly presenting themselves back then, either.
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I played the entire thing on my Switch. I liked the game. But yeah, it's pretty ugly :/
I really want a more powerful hardware asap.
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OK, can they match what Nvidia has on offer? Because it's not a solution if the product offering isn't up to snuff, even if they can provide a similar-ish SoC product.
I don't know. The only way you can find out is if you are Nintendo and shops around for offers to design the soc for their next platform.
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From what I've seen of the technology developments elsewhere of the companies previously mentioned, Qualcomm comes the closest and I don't think they compare well to Nvidia. Perhaps one of them could surprise me, but in this moment, I doubt it.
Your best bet is Intel or AMD, but they have to start designing SoCs that fit the use case and thermal profile before I'd say they're a good pairing. Nvidia already lays the foundation with the Tegra line, so they're not starting from zero.
the biggest problem with Qualcomm and ARM is that they don't have any large gpu designs. in theory, they can add more cores, but they don't have anything like that. the closest Qualcomm has are their Windows Box
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$600 Windows Dev Kit 2023 is powered by Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 processor - CNX Software
Microsoft has just introduced the Windows Dev Kit 2023, that's basically a Windows 11 Arm mini PC powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 processor
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In hindsight, nvidia's value is the NVN API paired with a fairly beefy mobile SoC design for 2016. I honestly don't think anyone back at Switch announcement had any inkling the kind of games it will eventually run. Maybe some guys inside nvidia and Nintendo knew but the conversation at the time did not revolve around that because our frame of reference was ShieldTV using the same chip.
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And without the Android overhead, games run great compared to their Shield counterparts.
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There was the also the rumor that NX ran a modified Android, which didn't help matters.
The weirdest rumor of them all, was the one that portable mode would have entirely different versions of the games.
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Reviews for this were kinda...rough, though a lot of that is probably to do with flaws in the Windows on Arm implementation rather than the hardware itself. But it still gets its teeth kicked in my an M1.the biggest problem with Qualcomm and ARM is that they don't have any large gpu designs. in theory, they can add more cores, but they don't have anything like that. the closest Qualcomm has are their Windows Box
$600 Windows Dev Kit 2023 is powered by Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 processor - CNX Software
Microsoft has just introduced the Windows Dev Kit 2023, that's basically a Windows 11 Arm mini PC powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 processor
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Omg really??
That sounds absolutely ridiculous!
Like in what alternate universe could this had ever been a thing??
When you make it.
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Here are mine's:
1. Launching May 12th, 2023
2. Nintendo Presents event (not a Direct), in January 27th, 2023 - formarly announces Nintendo Switch Next ("SNX", as a callback to SNES), priced at $449
3. Event shows gameplay footage of Pikmin 4, ToTK, AC Mirage and Kid Icarus Uprising remaster, ends with a new DK game and a teaser of MP4
4. Nvidia posts a video showcasing the tech inside SNX, focusing on DLSS and the power draw differences between typical home consoles - some of their footage shows Cyberpunk 2077 on SNX before it's formarly announced (because this always happens)
5. Digital Foundry milks the shit out of every second of SNX footage
6. I milk the shit out of each second of Digital Foundry's SNX footage
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About new hardware?
1. Switch OLED Zelda Edition
2. No Switch Pro
3. No Switch 2
4. It's coming in 2024
5. People will still complain all year
6. I will lose my mind
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Early NX rumors had the Hybrid Console part right, but imagined a Wii U 2, with a smart dock and a dumb portable console that mostly streamed games from the dock. You could take it with you "anywhere" and connect to your dock at home via the internet, or in "offline mode" run stripped down miniversions of the games that played just on the second screen.Omg really??
That sounds absolutely ridiculous!
Like in what alternate universe could this had ever been a thing??
Almost every rumor and leak about the NX was wrong, even the ones that seemed right. The "hybrid console" bit got right out of the gate, but even things that seem legit in retrospect weren't.
There was a rumor about modular controllers that sounds like Joy-Cons... except it was based on a Nintendo patent that is obviously not the Joy-Cons. It was a Wii U like Gamepad where the button units and joysticks could be swapped out individually allowing you to have four joysticks, or all buttons, or all D-pads, or some wild, personalized combination. Clearly not Joy-Cons.
There was a rumor that the NX would use cartridges... also based on two patents that weren't the Switch. One patent was for syncing cartridge media with a spinning plates disk drive that had higher storage but lower speed, obviously not anything the Switch has or does. The other was a patent for installing games from a digital store to an SD card and a specific method of keeping them patched.
There was a rumor that the NX would have enhanced force feedback that sounds like HD rumble... but again, it was based on a patent that isn't HD rumble. HD rumble is just Nintendo's brand name for the small third part actuators in the joy-cons. The joy-cons are too small for traditional rumble, the actuators are the only small enough solution, the "HD" parts of it are just a nice bonus that comes along for the ride. The patent was for using the speaker on a device - like a smartphone - in pairing with traditional rumble hardware. Not HD Rumble.
Remember, these are the rumors that are now regarded as retrospectively legit because they matched what we got. But it is, at best, abandoned ideas that Nintendo happened along while experimenting with the Switch, and at worst, random coincidences that matched up. The Force Feedback patent seems to target smartphones, for goodness sake.
The feeling that the NX era was a leaky ship came from the fact that the NX was announced well before it launched, so there were years of fake leaks and speculation that all seemed like they could be legit. And because fakers are constantly copying each other and the primary narrative, they all seemed in sync.
The best info we have on NuSwitch says that Nintendo aren't experimenting with a wildly new form factor. If not, you wouldn't expect patents on new control schemes to be leaking anyway, but we also don't have an announced device, and a fan community mostly burnt out from 2021 on Pro rumors. So there isn't as fertile ground for inadvertently correct bullshit to take root.
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1) out same day as zelda
2) they absolutely obfuscate the heck out of the answer to the “is this a successor or iteration” question
3) it costs 500 USD/650 CAD at retail
4) they sell an “upgrade kit” on their online store that knocks like 100 bucks off the price and JUST comes with the console bit (no controllers, no dock, etc) but you’ve gotta like, put in your serial number of your current console to buy it because they want to make sure you have all the accoutrements
5) barely any evergreen games get 4K support (maybe mario kart)
6) the unit is extremely hard to find for like 2 years
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I buy this
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Wow I didn’t know about any of these rumours back then, even though I remember digging through message boards for any morsel of info on NX. The fact that we know so much more about Drake sorta dampens the excitement for me compared to back then.
at least your expectations won't burn you this time
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I remember that big rumor about AMD doing the SoC and it was x86 based and was going to be as powerful as the PS4 docked.
Scott the Woz did a great video summarizing all the rumors and leaks. Yeah, a lot of them where shite.
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Aside from playing games that look as good as PS4 games, I have no expectations..which sucks cuz I want a gimmick damnit.
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The gimmick is the friends we made a long the way, and a more powerful switch!
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1. Nintendo Switch Advance
2. Metroid Prime Ultra HD as launch window title
3. $450 128GB, $500-$550 256 GB + Nintendo Switch Online 3 months
4. A third theme is added to the Switch OS
5. HDR support, docked and handheld
6. The NSO borders are now a solid white to spite me and my family
1) Switch 2 (need to make sure people know this is a successor console lol and avoid the Wii U problem)
2) $400 4k console using DLSS comes with RT support in docked mode with a 900p 120hz touch screen when undocked
3) Launces May 6th 2023 with Tears of a Kingdom as the launch title
4) 3rd parties release Rdr2, witcher 3 4k update, Warzone 2, and other 3rd party games
5) Better online connectivity and remove the friend code crap and allow us to play and add friends normally like how microsoft does it
6) wake up and realize it's all a dream...
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It’s only on the Japan eShop right now but it does translate to English so probably sometime soon™
Here's mine.
1) Zelda will release with an OLED special edition. The game will be great though I will be a bit underwhelmed by the lack of new locations. A large DLC with an entire new kingdom will be announced. Boner intensifies.
2) The next switch will be teased and discussed around September.
3) Metroid Prime 4 will be the big game of October 2023. Donkey Kong might be there too. Metroid Prime trilogy, or whatever, is still nowhere to be seen. We've been lied to.
4) Nintendo will tease the next Mario and/or Mario Kart towards the end of 2023. The latter will be a big departure from the mk8dx, though certainly not "smash kart" because that would be incredibly creatively bankrupt and we can't have that.
5) January 2024 will be the big Switch 2 reveal, with several modern games showcasing a much improved hardware. 400-450 doubloons will be the price, and that'll be worth it for something competitive with the Steam Deck 2 when factoring DLSS.
6) The New Nintendo Switch will release early April 2024, alongside a new Mario game and a very chunky Zelda DLC. The latter will look gorgeous, and completely redeem the base game in my eyes. The former will be great but neckbeards will complain that the game is held back by the og switch, on which the game will also release.
6bis) The New Nintendo switch is hard to find, but nothing compared to the PS5 and Xbox Series.
7) Mario Kart 9/10 releases during summer 2024. It's awesome and exclusive to the new system. Zero overlap with mk8dx.
8) new monolith game in September/October 2024. And it's not fucking Xenoblade.
9) This post gets 50+ quotes and I start a Twitter account with a Patreon. Nothing I say after that ever comes to fruition, but people keep believing because of "that time I was right".
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I wonder if it's possible to ship a screen that can support 30Hz, 40Hz and 60Hz refresh rate, without having to resort to making a 120Hz panel. Unless I'm horribly mistaken, would that high a refresh rate affect the overall battery life?
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I was completely unaware that the difficulty of ensuring backward compatibility could vary that much from game to game, it's very interesting. Does this mean that some games are particularly demanding in terms of RAM and power, or is that irrelevant?
I really wonder if the job offers posted by NERD about emulation are aimed at NSO or directly at backward compatibility of the current Switch with future hardware.
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I believe so, with one example being the Steam Deck's display.
The only reason to use a 120 Hz OLED display is for VRR support, albeit not the seamless variety.
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