My phone has a 6.8 inch 1440p display, and I use a 49" 4K monitor alongside a 21" 1080p monitor at my desk. My Nintendo Switch has a 7" 720p display. I also happen to use it further away from my face than my phone. Phones have anamolously high resolutions for their size, due to their function as multimedia devices that need to display sharp text, HD video, and very high resolution images all at the same time. The Nintendo Switch doesn't.
This is a little chewy to quantify, as Sony and Microsoft are using amd gpu's which use AMD Graphics Core Next streaming multiprocessors for their shaders while Nintendo is using Nvidia, which use Cuda Cores for their shaders.
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True this, true that. My display is a 4K display.
Well yes and no. It's more that there's no DEMAND for 120hz 720p panels, but, reeaaally, that's more a limitation of the controller than the panel. OLED panels of any decent quality have the requisite low refresh time. 720p120 is an achievable goal, even if they don't change panels.
TOTALLY with you there! It's been a real blast and a fantastic console to own! Can't wait to see what's next!I can’t remember being so hyped for a new console. I absolutely love my Switch, I’ve never bought so many games or had so much fun with a console. A new one with a big power bump is going to be just awesome. And this thread is totally feeding my hype
Haha, it will be a big upgrade from the hand cranked version though!
I like the look of OLED screens a lot, but there is a different sensation to looking at one! Are there any rumblings of mini-LED screens making their way to any handheld devices? Or, are they pretty much LCD/LED or OLED with handhelds? I really like the look of the new mini-LED TVs recently, really impressive brights and nearly black blacks to them!
I'm not saying that a 720p 120 Hz OLED displays are impossible. But is Nintendo willing to pay extra money for custom 720p 120 Hz OLED displays? That's the question that needs to be asked.
The closest mobile device rumoured to have a mini LED display is the 14.1" iPad Pro targeting an early 2023 release.
well this ain't that, it's better
The mini-Led option was discussed pretty extensively in the past, because there were some rumors about Nintendo talking with a Taiwanese mini-LED panel manufacturer. The short answer is that mini-LED has the cost advantage over OLED when the panel is large, but much pricier than OLED for the handheld sizes. Only Apple can afford to use mini-LED on tablets (and charge you for the privilege).
Lol, my nose is bleeding , you killed me
Aaah, and now I'm not, haha!
Seems like OLED is kind of the go-to option! Interesting how size makes that much a difference. Also, great tips on the mini-LED TV, because I'm looking at buying one in about a year to replace a 10 year old budget smart TV, haha! Finally ready to upgrade! Thanks again!
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Probably this.
I can't lie, I would definitely be disappointed, but, yeah, not angry or anything. One can dream, though. One can dream.
GTX 1050 is not much more, so that's a good, more modern comparison. hell, the upcoming 1630 is probably better. that's actually closer to what I expected from Dane at the top end
I think the only way you improve pixel density without increasing resolution is by shrinking the screen, so...
Probably should have been more clear, but I was advocating for increasing resolution.
Oh, I see now. I definitely misinterpreted.
Depends on the resolution. 4K120 would have a restricted (very restricted) color space unless they introduced a new dock (which they have no reason to unless 4K120HDR is super important to them, but I doubt it).
According to Nate and others: Nintendo announced Lite and OLED the moment these did go in production , so in July.
Indeed it seems there’s some smoke growing by the hour... Maybe this is the start of some flow of rumours about production, dev kits and other plans (the kind of buzz we were expecting shortly after the GDC…). Next week can’t get here soon enough.
The launch timing would very likely have been nailed down by now, yes. I'm unsure what else you are asking. A July reveal for a 2022 launch is perfectly reasonable considering both of the previous revisions did just that.
Ugh yeah, in particular 720p pixel art games that look wonderful on native panels would look inferior if force upscaled to 1080p. And I don't accept the 3DS solution of just having the original 720p image letterboxed. Maybe forcing 1080p docked mode profiles could correct for a 1080p screen?
People have been dreaming of a more capable Switch since November 2016
Remember the first factory leak of the Red and Blue Joy-Con? Same leak also said there was a 4K dev kit being tested. In 2016. Before the Neon Red and Blue Joy-Con were revealed.
It's been a long time coming. Heck, it's been rumoured for LONGER than the Switch, whose rumours began in 2014 about being a hybrid.
This is the reason people rightly or wrongly use Floating Point Operations for a quick, rough idea of what a GPU can do versus others. If Nintendo can hit 1TFLOP when handheld and 2TFLOPs when docked for the next Switch then they will be able to make some crazy good looking games and get a lot of great PS4/XBO ports the original Switch missed out on.This is a little chewy to quantify, as Sony and Microsoft are using amd gpu's which use AMD Graphics Core Next streaming multiprocessors for their shaders while Nintendo is using Nvidia, which use Cuda Cores for their shaders.
These are actually two fundamentally different ways of providing highly parallelized computing power, and are as such difficult to directly compare using hardware metrics without matching benchmarks.
To make things even more confusing Nvidia and AMD like to advertise differently, Nvidia likes to state the Cuda shader cores numbers (which are contained in a block called a streaming multiprocessor, or sm) while amd likes to state their number of compute units (which contain the shaders inside).
Checking the PS4 amd Liverpool GPU it has 18 compute units with 64 shaders for each unit and a total of 1,152 shaders. It's clocked at 800 Mhz.
This took longer than I was planning, but I tried to find a comparable Nvidia GPU benchmark to Liverpool around the same time of release, on around the same fabrication node (28nm) that would run roughly comparably in resolution, performance and graphic settings, and I landed on a GTX 660. (If anyone has a better matchup already handy, please feel free lol)
AMD Liverpool GPU (PS4) vs Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 - GadgetVersus
Comparison between AMD Liverpool GPU (PS4) and Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 with the specifications of the graphics cards, the number of execution units, shading units, cache memory, also the performance in benchmark platforms such as Geekbench or Antutu.
So here we can see that Nvidias cuda architecture is running with about two hundred less cores, at about 200 Mhz lower frequency. (We don't know drake's clock frequencies yet).
Cool right? But then we see the Cuda shader architecture is keppler. Which is like a generation before maxwell (switch) and like 4 generations before Ampere (Drake/Switch whatever you wanna call it), and can not be directly compared to THOSE architectures.
It's really quite a load of shenanigans.
Speaking of, can’t wait to play Sea of Stars. Looks very gorgeous.
The missing piece for you seems to be the assumption that the planned timing would immediately leak.
GTX 1050 is not much more, so that's a good, more modern comparison. hell, the upcoming 1630 is probably better. that's actually closer to what I expected from Dane at the top end
Yeah that’s pretty much all I’m asking, thanks
And it was pretty clear that he didn't hear that from Nintendo. He said (something along the lines of) third parties with devkits were told to aim to finish their games for that time period.
