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Thugstas said:
I’m here like Mr Ouija… 😉Winckman incoming !
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Crusters said:
Mr..... Ouija.......?

OMG!!!! Thugstas just confirmed Geist 2 for drake!!!!
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Skittzo said:
Not Eternal Darkness 2? 😢
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Why not both?!

EDIT: Of all the dumb posts that could be at the top of the new page, why this one, haha! :ROFLMAO:
 
If Nintendo announced a Switch Pro tomorrow; what can we realistic expect from the performance boost?
Just an improvement on resolution and frame-rate is what I assume but I have very limited knowledge on the technical side of things.
 
WolfKiva said:
If Nintendo announced a Switch Pro tomorrow; what can we realistic expect from the performance boost?
Just an improvement on resolution and frame-rate is what I assume but I have very limited knowledge on the technical side of things.
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Well, from the leaks, we have a decent idea that DLSS will be involved. Nintendo has also patented 720p to 4K AI upscaling. So the bare minimum I'd expect is 1080p+ resolutions in docked mode and a solid 720p60 in most games that are optimised for it when handheld.

There may also be more, faster RAM which could reduce pop-in, better texture filtering and anti-aliasing, so overall games SHOULD look sharper.

Beyond that goes from speculation to guesswork.
 
WolfKiva said:
If Nintendo announced a Switch Pro tomorrow; what can we realistic expect from the performance boost?
Just an improvement on resolution and frame-rate is what I assume but I have very limited knowledge on the technical side of things.
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Nvidia was attacked by ransomists a little while back and they leaked many if the specifications of the GPU.

The GPU is, component wise, a 6x increase over the gpu in the switch. The rest of the system will be built to match that, in support and data feeding of that processor.

Whether it is released tomorrow, next year or the year after, the hardware is, what it is.
 
Concernt said:
Well, from the leaks, we have a decent idea that DLSS will be involved. Nintendo has also patented 720p to 4K AI upscaling. So the bare minimum I'd expect is 1080p+ resolutions in docked mode and a solid 720p60 in most games that are optimised for it when handheld.

There may also be more, faster RAM which could reduce pop-in, better texture filtering and anti-aliasing, so overall games SHOULD look sharper.

Beyond that goes from speculation to guesswork.
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Well, if that’s the case then I now understand why so many people suspect a Pro rather than a full successor. That sounds more powerful than what I expected.

Crusters said:
Nvidia was attacked by ransomists a little while back and they leaked many if the specifications of the GPU.

The GPU is, component wise, a 6x increase over the gpu in the switch. The rest of the system will be built to match that, in support and data feeding of that processor.

Whether it is released tomorrow, next year or the year after, the hardware is, what it is.
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Excuse my ignorance. A 6x GPU increase, I know that this stuff is much more complicated than a simple comparison but I have to ask.
Does that put the system around the level of a base PS4/Xbox One just with more modern hardware?
 
WolfKiva said:
Well, if that’s the case then I now understand why so many people suspect a Pro rather than a full successor. That sounds more powerful than what I expected.



Excuse my ignorance. A 6x GPU increase, I know that this stuff is much more complicated than a simple comparison but I have to ask.
Does that put the system around the level of a base PS4/Xbox One just with more modern hardware?
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Probably a base PS4 but with DLSS possibly getting games up to 4K. For example maybe a Zelda game with Horizon Forbidden West (ps4 version) but using DLSS to get graphics to reach up to 4K. Basically taking a PS4 calibur game and adding the ability to upscale. Should be a huge leap over the current Switch. At least in theory. Also potential raytracing but very limited usage.
 
Kevin said:
Probably a base PS4 but with DLSS possibly getting games up to 4K. For example maybe a Zelda game with Horizon Forbidden West (ps4 version) but using DLSS to get graphics to reach up to 4K. Basically taking a PS4 calibur game and adding the ability to upscale. Should be a huge leap over the current Switch. At least in theory. Also potential raytracing but very limited usage.
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Man, that would be a huge jump. Forbidden West on the base PS4 is nothing short of impressive, so Nintendo with that level of tech would produce some insane visuals.
 
WolfKiva said:
Well, if that’s the case then I now understand why so many people suspect a Pro rather than a full successor. That sounds more powerful than what I expected.



Excuse my ignorance. A 6x GPU increase, I know that this stuff is much more complicated than a simple comparison but I have to ask.
Does that put the system around the level of a base PS4/Xbox One just with more modern hardware?
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That would place it at approximately twice the power of Steam Deck, closer to Xbox Series S than Xbox One. Add DLSS, and while it would "only" be as powerful as a kneecapped next gen console, the image quality would be closer to PS5 than Xbox Series S.
 
If they saw the inflation coming they’d want to stockpile shit while prices are still low and stuff is still constrained.

I work for a brick making company and we went through a phase where there was shortage of raw materials during covid so we were mandated to have 3 months of material on hand at all times. We had to stockpile tons of raw materials just to run business as normal. Doesn’t mean new stuff is coming.

There’s also a shortage of voltage controllers and stuff so maybe they want to stockpile all the components they can so as soon as they get shipments of those controllers they can produce current models quickly.
 
10k said:
If they saw the inflation coming they’d want to stockpile shit while prices are still low and stuff is still constrained.

I work for a brick making company and we went through a phase where there was shortage of raw materials during covid so we were mandated to have 3 months of material on hand at all times. We had to stockpile tons of raw materials just to run business as normal. Doesn’t mean new stuff is coming.

There’s also a shortage of voltage controllers and stuff so maybe they want to stockpile all the components they can so as soon as they get shipments of those controllers they can produce current models quickly.
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There's a difference between three months of supply and what Nintendo appears to have: 7-10 months.

Furthermore, this is a shortage of ALL components, not just high performance silicon. If anything it would make more sense to sell fewer, more expensive devices to make more profit rather than simply soak up all the stock you can to continue making meagre returns.

It costs money to store things. Keeping prices down isn't helped by what looks to be a whole year's worth of supplies.
 
Nintendojitsu said:
The Future takes shape.
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This is a repost of your OWN comment. We're ALL calling the Switch 4K coming soon, posting this doesn't make you more reliable unless this ends up being the tagline.

If so, if that is the case.

A+ leak. I'll keep an eye out for it.
 
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Concernt said:
There's a difference between three months of supply and what Nintendo appears to have: 7-10 months.

Furthermore, this is a shortage of ALL components, not just high performance silicon. If anything it would make more sense to sell fewer, more expensive devices to make more profit rather than simply soak up all the stock you can to continue making meagre returns.

It costs money to store things. Keeping prices down isn't helped by what looks to be a whole year's worth of supplies.
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There’s not enough component storage there for a new generational model I don’t think.

This is at best nothing and at worst a Nintendo Switch Lite OLED. Which defeats the purpose of the lite being an entry model. OLED’s are expensive.
 
10k said:
There’s not enough component storage there for a new generational model I don’t think.
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Which is why I don't think it's a new generation, but a premium form of the current gen. The Switch 4K, not the Switch 2.

Also of note the New 3DS slipped out without making nearly as much of an impact on stockkeeping, while previous revisions like the Lite only had 3* normal supply of raw materials leading up to launch.
 
WolfKiva said:
Well, if that’s the case then I now understand why so many people suspect a Pro rather than a full successor. That sounds more powerful than what I expected.



Excuse my ignorance. A 6x GPU increase, I know that this stuff is much more complicated than a simple comparison but I have to ask.
Does that put the system around the level of a base PS4/Xbox One just with more modern hardware?
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It's unclear until we know the clock speeds of the GPU basically. The surprise from the Nvidia hacks was the GPU having substantially more cores than expected. A 6x increase over the Switch, but without the clock speeds we'd only be guessing as to how powerful it could really be. Either way that's well into generational leap/successor territory.

If it was clocked similarly to the current Switch, it would come out ahead of the PS4 in basic GPU flops(docked) by a fair amount, with a more modern architecture. Potentially it could be clocked a lot higher than that based on the chip being used, particularly depending what node it's, but we don't really know at this time.
 
Lite OLED? Nah. Mark my words, they will announce the Switch AAA, the ultimate AAA gaming console, MRSP $169.99*.

*AAA batteries are not included.

Ultimate because nobody will buy another one after how fast the AAA batteries will be drained.
 
Starphanluke said:
So if the Switch Pro/4K is real... it's gonna have OLED right? Cause I don't want to go back.
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I'd say the exact same OLED panel, maybe with a new driver for higher frame rates and/or HDR, but I wouldn't bet on either. I think the target for handheld mode will stay 720p60SDR, just. More consistent than the V1/2/O/L.
 
A Switch (even if it's a Lite) capable of playing Genshin Impact or Final Fantasy XIV may be too good to pass up for some. Maybe if we're lucky we'll get two pieces of hardware.
 
Concernt said:
I'd say the exact same OLED panel, maybe with a new driver for higher frame rates and/or HDR, but I wouldn't bet on either. I think the target for handheld mode will stay 720p60SDR, just. More consistent than the V1/2/O/L.
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@ 720p which is more than reasonable at the screen size the sky is pretty much the limit for what games will be able to run on this thing. pretty damn exciting for third party support.
 
Nintendojitsu said:
A Switch (even if it's a Lite) capable of playing Genshin Impact or Final Fantasy XIV may be too good too pass up for some. Maybe if we're lucky we'll get two pieces of hardware.
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The Nintendo Switch V1 is capable of playing Genshin Impact, it is a mobile game. Final Fantasy XIV has console exclusivity outside of Japan and in Japan it could have a cloud version for Switch. Given it's an MMO, not much point in it being native. Like, Dragon Quest Online got a 3DS port in the form of a cloud version.
 
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Concernt said:
metro.co.uk

Nintendo plans to support Switch for 7 to 10 years

The head of Nintendo has said he wants to support the Switch for much longer than the usual five or six-year console life.
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https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/05/nintendo_switch_is_barely_in_the_middle_of_its_life_cycle (Barely in the middle at 4 years would imply in the middle at 5)
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Kimishima did not say that they would support the Switch "for 7 to 10 years". A NintendoSoup reporter made that up, and the other outlets copied his homework without changing it up a bit. What Kimishima said was:

"センサーやコントローラーは様々な機能がある。遊び方をさらに進化させることで5～6年以上販売を伸ばしたい。販売期間は長ければ長いほどいい。" ---> "The Switch has sensors and controllers with various functions. By further evolving the way people play, we would like to extend Switch sales beyond 5 to 6 years . The longer the sales period, the better."

Note that the Nikkei journalist was asking Kimishima whether the Switch could sustain its success from the first year to the second. So the answer really is about Nintendo's aspirational sales goal, and not a reveal of their product development roadmap. More importantly, Kimishima never said anything about support Switch for 7 or more years.

Furukawa, however, did address the "life cycle" subject a few times publicly. In this instance, NintendoLife ran the article based on nothing but a David Gibson tweet, whose translation differed from the official transcript ("has just entered the middle" instead of "barely in the middle").

Regardless, the last time Furukawa declared the Switch being "at the mid-point of its life cycle" was on Nov. 5, 2021 (4.5 years after the Switch launch). After repeating this talking point a few times in 2020 and 2021, he has not mentioned it even once this year. It might suggest that the Switch is now in the second half of its life cycle.
 
HankyPanky said:
@ 720p which is more than reasonable at the screen size the sky is pretty much the limit for what games will be able to run on this thing. pretty damn exciting for third party support.
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They have to go 1080p Minimum. With that SoC it will work very good.

The Pixel density of the new OLED version is terrible compared to the OG Switch and Lite…
 
CypressFX said:
They have to go 1080p Minimum. With that SoC it will work very good.

The Pixel density of the new OLED version is terrible compared to the OG Switch and Lite…
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It's less than an inch bigger. It's not terrible. It's literally the best screen on a handheld console ever.
 
CypressFX said:
They have to go 1080p Minimum. With that SoC it will work very good.

The Pixel density of the new OLED version is terrible compared to the OG Switch and Lite…
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agree that 1080p would be nice but at that point they're sacrificing a lot of battery life, heat etc to hit that in all games 60fps. DLSS is there but ideally it won't be needed in handheld for the same reasons.
 
ILikeFeet said:
if Drake isn't enough to be considered a Switch 2, then your expectations are probably the biggest performance jump in a console ever
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Not exactly. Drake has enough power to run current Switch games smoothly at 4K with a little headroom. Nothing spectacular. Remember, Xbox One X was a bigger jump from Xbox One than Xbox Series X was from Xbox One X. 4K is just expensive.
 
Concernt said:
Not exactly. Drake has enough power to run current Switch games smoothly at 4K with a little headroom. Nothing spectacular. Remember, Xbox One X was a bigger jump from Xbox One than Xbox Series X was from Xbox One X. 4K is just expensive.
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pretty sure if the leaks are true then current titles @ 4k (lets say DLSS from 1080p) gives loads of headroom. the hardware is a big upgrade.
 
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Concernt said:
No, they don't. However, I wouldn't be surprised if some games in handheld mode rendered at above 720p and supersampled for better image quality. Sharp 720p looks better than blurry 1080p anyway.
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They have to if they sell it as a premium variant of the Switch. 720p is not a suitable resolution for that size nowadays…
 
CypressFX said:
Come on, you and @byDoS please just chill. I had not any bad intention to get info from him.

We know Nate and he knows us. This the whole foundation of this community by a large part.
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I understand, and I didn't mean for my comment to come across as aggressive if it did and I mean no disrespect; just a gentle reminder. Unfortunately, it is just the nature of online forums is that it's not always clear if it's a joke or not.

I think our insider friends get more than enough unironic requests for more info and I personally don't want to see it replicated here if it annoys them to the point they don't feel welcome on this site, that's all. I'm more than willing to drop the issue either way; it's just my two cents.
 
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