I think all 3 of your factors probably came into play, but I sincerely doubt it was demonstrated side by side. That would only have made the differences more apparent, because then the viewer could compare the actual demo on both platforms, as opposed to their memory of the demo on PS5/ Series X.
What I can't understand is simply that DF really believes that switch2 in docking mode with an 8nm process can really reach 3tflops?I think they do know a lot about hardware but the above expression makes me wonder.
Nintendo could be using new battery technology like Graphene batteries, which can pack a bigger charge and charges now evenly compared to Lithium, yes that is a thing. There are those micro jet blowers for small form factors announced recently at a tech trade show.
I mean it's entirely possible Switch 2 in docked mode will go higher on power consumption than Switch did. Its portable mode that will suffer the most.
I hadn't learned about the technology and was wondering how the size and cost of that cell compares to what it would take to upgrade from 8nm to other more advanced processes?
if i was Nintendo i would keep the pricing of my software at $40 to $60, and would charge my next console at $300/350, Nintendo cant charge Switch sucessor software and the console itself too much.
graphene batteries is still too expensive compared to ion lithuim battery.
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I don't doubt that, but how much higher is higher?How Nintendo manages to keep power consumption under 15w in docking mode and reach over 3tflops of floating point with the current physics rules is something I think is very difficult to do
Same with MLID. He is expecting the same performance on 8nm that we are expecting on 4nm.
If Deck is comparable to Switch 2 in any way, it will be in portable because Switch 2 will have explicit portable modes while Deck allows you to push the hardware as hard as you want at any time, even if it drops battery life to an hour. Even in such a case, DLSS will make taking advantage of the 1080p screen easier for Switch 2, and the boost of docked mode will make even higher resolutions feasible. And both Deck's and Switch 2's CPUs are running circles around PS4s.
They can't get away with changing things too little while their own expenses increase at the speed of inflation as everyone else's does. A $300 machine and $60 game today would be like the equivalent of GameCube launching at $172 with $34 games. Or launching Switch with $236 hardware and $47 games.
Realistic
Here's the original post which is written by him, also from his website.
Artigo Técnico – Quais configurações poderíamos ter no próximo hardware Nintendo?
Dá pra esperar por algo que vá além do que temos no Steam Deck, segundo insidersuniversonintendo.com
Meanwhile here's the english translation from reddit r/gamingleaksandrumor
You are getting tiring at this point
Weren’t there speculation that the switch 2 will be about 30% more powerful then the steam deck in portable.
Several Wii U owners did have a 3DS, just as several Switch owners have a Lite for portability, or upgraded to OLED (although I admit that this also affects the 3DS).
WiiU and 3DS having completely distinct libraries would imo make it more likely that there is a larger overlap than between Switch and Switch Lite. Switch is already portable, it requires a bit (a lot) of purism to replace your Switch by a Lite for portability.
WiiU was an unmitigated disaster. 3DS was a problematic system because they made it too expensive for its market appreciation and had to slash the system price and eat the cost. That's an important thing to consider as well, and furthermore 3DS ended up being quite a successful system all things considered. If Switch 2 sells 90M-100M without such troubles, it will be a lot better than those two systems.
In the defense of the Steam Deck, FSR isn't all that bad on the small screen it has...
Realistic
Here's the original post which is written by him, also from his website.
Artigo Técnico – Quais configurações poderíamos ter no próximo hardware Nintendo?
Dá pra esperar por algo que vá além do que temos no Steam Deck, segundo insiders
Meanwhile here's the english translation from reddit r/gamingleaksandrumor
There's no point in using inflation on old consoles, by now consoles should cost over $700, $70 for indie games and $100 for triple-A games.
FSR compares less favorably to DLSS the lower the input and output resolutions are. DLSS is going to have a bigger advantage at 800-1080p than it will on a 4K screen.
Without a doubt yeah. Keep in mind, it was the lightest of defenses, and for what it is... it's pretty good... just not as good as DLSS, on a smaller screen, and also on hardware that absolutely wouldn't use it the best.
I disagree. FSR is terrible at low resolutions.
At the end of the day Switch 2 isn’t going to be near a Series S in terms of it’s CPU or SSD performance so it’s best to expect a DOOM/Witcher 3 like downgrade on most AAA third party games. Although personally I think it will be better for the sole reason of getting at least 1080p like image quality when docked due to DLSS instead of 600p…
I don't think that's necessarily the case. I think that the industry wasn't ready to leave behind the older graphics cards and gen 8 consoles.
Didn't someone here said that the perf boost won't be that big? Like 20%? Maybe I am doing the math wrong isn't 20% more than 3 troops would be 3.6 tflops?
I know I'm trying to will it into general use.graphene batteries is still too expensive compared to ion lithuim battery.
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Genuine question: Does this account for inflation?
I think a better argument against Nintendo and Nvidia using Samsung's 8N process node to fabricate T239 is that although Samsung probably only requires Nvidia to pay for working dies when using Samsung's 8N process node for fabrication, lower binned dies are still technically considered working dies.
I don't think that can be said definitively. I don't believe any process node, practically speaking, can achieve 100% yields.
I can see Nintendo's new hardware being comparable to the Steam Deck in handheld mode in terms of raw performance, which is not taking into account DLSS, etc., and the fact that taking full advantage of the hardware is much easier to do in a video game console than in a PC.
Well, rumours say that Nintendo's new hardware uses a LCD display (here, here, and here).
Yeah, weird tho for me, with the people I work with, 5 have the Xbox. One has switch but mostly uses xbox. And everyone I mention my switch to thinks it's underpowered and not a great system lol.
For me, I casually see people consistently using their switch on public transport, where I am.
That'd be the case if many of these games were still arriving to PS4, they're not. Rebirth, DD2, AW2, Avatar, etc are current gen titles, one of those runs in the dated UE4 and another of those shipped with absolutely terrible NPC pathfinding... These developers either fumbled their tools or pipeline regardless of limitations, and it shows.
Paraphrasing: "If I just knew 8nm vs 4nm, I'd say there'd be a big difference due to how the design would differ to be optimal for each. But given we already know things like the shader core count, that's no longer in question and the end result for how fast they run it either way probably won't be huge."
The problem is really inflation. $299 in 2017 is pretty close to $399 today. Inflation has been brutal. It's getting back to acceptable levels again, but deflation isn't going to happen.
yep. Either Nvidia engineers made the most efficient 8nm ampere chip ever by far, and we're getting something a bit weaker, or we're getting 4nm and we're dead on with our performance per watt calculations.
Deflation is a very bad thing, it means an economic crisis usually
Don't take this personally, my intention is not to mock at all, but this type of post is perfectly representative of the form of parallel reality constructed by the discourse around the Steam Deck, and I can't help but find it very amusing. I think well of the Steam Deck, it's an interesting and cool console. However, the vast majority of people are unaware of its existence, and even among those who do know about it and think well of it, it remains a console positioned as a niche product.
How fortunate that "preservation" allows us to access very old games like Pikmin 4, released on a console that is no longer on the market.
Because you want to... play games? As said above, I'm always amused to see people decoupling software from hardware. The reason the Switch 2 is exciting is that it has improved or new gaming experiences to offer. It's always about the games, not just being able to look at your new console and say "my teraflops are bigger than yours".
I really appreciate DF's technical analyses, which are interesting, didactic and demonstrate real expertise. When you analyze data, that implies by definition that you...own the data you're analyzing. Speculation is a rather different exercise, as we well know here, since it involves, by definition, relying on information we don't have. Here, for example, the entire premise of the discussion is essentially based on the "because Nintendo" bias.
High launch prices hurt both the 3DS and Wii U. Of course, there were other problems, not least the lack of games initially available, but when you're aiming for a wide audience, price is very important. Naturally, I expect the launch price of the Switch 2 to be higher than that of the Switch. Not out of "arrogance" or anything, but because inflation also affects Nintendo, which has to pass on higher costs unless it sells hardware at a loss, which won't happen. Some expected and necessary improvements will also undoubtedly increase manufacturing costs, such as a bigger screen, more RAM or even more internal storage space.
A certain audience will probably even consider the Switch 2 underpoweredfrom day one since you know, the "T-239 will be obsolete". Once again, it'll be "Nintendon't, but please let me pirate your games anyway".
Well Drake is 2 years old ish, will be 3 by the time it releases. But yea. Due to custom hardware and software (nvn2), and arm it will punch above its weight compared to handheld pcs.
Would seem kind of odd for Nvidia to use lower binned chips for something like the a new Shield TV when with the TX1, they had used higher binned chips to hit the max clocks. I'm still under the assumption that Nintendo purposefully went with lower binned tX1 chips in their favor. But even assuming other devices could use the T239 SoC, higher or lower binned, might that pose a risk in security? What gave hackers an easy means to access Switch was from public documentation of the Shield TV's ReCovery Mode for potential bricked devices. I imagine Nintendo would NOT want anything remotely similar happen here with a custom SoC they were designing.
Well that's basically what high inflation means. High inflation tend to mean prices are rising faster than wages are.
I say that deflation is a very bad thing. That's literally the first sentence of the post you're quoting. And you answer "no, deflation is very bad".
Sorry, for some reason I read that as "deflation in itself isn't a bad thing". My apologies. I'll edit
Hope it isn’t delayed again.
