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Fuck everything, I stand right behind Shareholder Chad. If he is wrong, one Switch 2 dissappointment more cannot harm me at this point. But if he is right, it will be the most epic victory I could imagine.
 
It’s fucking over. Reveal in March would definitely soften the blow, but since this delay seems to be new news as of this week, I’m not going to assume the reveal plans remained as-is until someone talks about.

Hopefully Necro or Nate or someone can clarify if reveal timing remains the same…

If the reveal moved it does the beg the question of when they reveal more first party software after Peach. Surely they won’t wait till the summer direct? Guess they revealed new games on Twitter in 2020, so that’s always an avenue
 
Ok, if that thing will release only in 2025 I hope that all the most optimistic expectations, on realistic side, come to be true and we get:

  • T239 with 4.+ Tflops
  • 16 GB of fast RAM
  • 512 internal with at least 1+ GB/s
  • 1080p screen with a good LCD or mini LED
  • CPU closer to current gen machines as possible for a portable.
  • DLSS 3.5 with the best portable ray tracing we ever see

The later it release the best the hardware need to be to not give a "wii u vibe" of selling outdated hardware as a new product.
 
LuckyLuke said:
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I'm only confused by this because, how the fuck announcement chatter around the Switch 2 start rumbling up, implying a March reveal, only to then be reported a delay to MARCH 2025?
 
At what point do we look at the internal specs for this thing and classify it as outdated on day one?

If T239 really is still the chip, it's going to have 5 year old tech in it by the time this console releases.

This thing better be made on the TSMC 3nm node with a NVME SSD and 16 GB of LPDDR5X.
 
BDGAME said:
Ok, if that thing will release only in 2025 I hope that all the most optimistic expectations, on realistic side, come to be true and we get:

  • T239 with 4.+ Tflops
  • 16 GB of fast RAM
  • 512 internal with at least 1+ GB/s
  • 1080p screen with a good LCD or mini LED
  • CPU closer to current gen machines as possible for a portable.
  • DLSS 3.5 with the best portable ray tracing we ever see

The later it release the best the hardware need to be to not give a "wii u vibe" of selling outdated hardware as a new product.
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Idk how much they can change in 1 year time, but I hope they could cram a better cooling solution in an effort to raise (at least docked) clock speeds.
 
Instro said:
Just remember that COVID delayed a lot of software production by 12-24 months, industry wide. Nintendo was no exception. There's a lot of downstream impacts to that.
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True, although I thought we were coming out of those effects. Evidently not based on Sony's output this year as well.
 
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Now that I sit on it, launching your console in a year where it won't be the biggest gaming event of the year doesn't seem like the best idea. But what do I know
 
Jbone916 said:
Is a delay from November 2024 to March 2025 really enough to make hardware “outdated?”
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Kinda? Perception is reality for many. Something coming in 2025, 2 years prior to when newer gen machines will allegedly come, will look outdated more quickly than intended.

Then again, Nintendo always dances to the rhythm of their own beat.
 
Detective Chimp said:
Welp, this is highly disappointing.

Switch 2 specs will be pretty outdated out the gate coming in 2025 though.
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Again they wont. Tech isn't progressing at the pace it used to.

A 4nm ampere chip, will still be competitive to the mobile competition in 2025. Nvidia is years ahead of the rest of the mobile competition in features, and when you factored in Android will hamper the others and Nintendo has NVN2 it will still be among the best.
 
Or could there be hardware related reasons why Nintendo delays the Switch 2? Could it be they had an initial plan when it came to storage, node and other stuff and now because info they have from Microsoft entering the handheld market they want to pump out better stuff for the Switch 2? Maybe the initially wanted an 8nm node and is now going for 4nm node and also wants change other stuff on the Switch 2 to make it stand the competition more the coming years vs their new coming rivals in the handheld space?
 
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I can't believe, that the Switch gets delayed to 2025 just because of Software. EXCEPT they really have Mario Kart 8 and Mario Odyssey 2 ready. They would basically have already the ultimate Q4 unit with Switch 2 + Mario Kart and then Mario Odyssey 2 in January/February. The Switch 2 would have EAFC and NBA 2K too. It would be ridiculous to not release at Christmas.
Except there are other caviats. Like no Backwards Compatibility (potentially with better graphics), so really no other games on the console. Or basically NO major release before summer 25 available. That's bit crazy and I can't believe, but let's see. 25 would be definitely a hard sell, as they definitely lost until then too many customer already.
 
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Anyway, I'm going to go to bed now, so I can officially categorize all of this as "a take so bad I was forced to immediately go to sleep."
 
TomNookYankees said:
By 2025 the Steam Deck OLED is probably going to get a signicant price drop and the Steam Deck LCD is probably going to get a second price drop. There's already reports of Microsoft looking into getting into the handheld market, and Sony is in a similar position with the PS5 as they were with the PS2 when they announced plans for a Playstation Portable.

Maybe nintendo will get lucky and manage to break records again with the switch 2, but I remember when Nintendo sat on the DS too long only to end up overpricing the 3DS.
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The Steam Deck is still a niche product and we don't even know what the Microsoft Handheld will look like for sure. The 3DS' blunders were more self-inflicted than due to competition (lack of launch games being a major issue, something these reports seem to be highlighting as a reason for the delay).
 
Serif said:
The reporting is more confident, but it still conflicts with other reporting of a reveal next month. Again I don't think they'd reveal next month or even in April for a launch next year. If we get more information that a reveal isn't happening soon I'm more likely to believe in Q1 '25 and this being a weird year.

Though wasn't that rumor about an imminent reveal like literally a week ago? Damn that was comically fast, lmao.
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it's not like Nate just found out about March a minute before he posted his podcast episode
 
I'm going to continue to believe in 2024 because I've been a clown since 2023 about this and I'm not about to stop now 🤡🤡🤡
 
Danny said:
There is a good chance that not even Metroid Prime 4 is ready for release this year, so maybe Nintendo really have no software at all available for release on the Switch 2 this year and thus had no choice but to delay the console.

If that is true something have gone incredibly wrong at the Nintendo EPD, Maybe getting used to the Switch 2 devkits and all its new features took way longer time for internal Nintendo studios than we thought. Maybe Nintendo has found that it takes much longer time to develop software for Switch 2 than it did for Switch 1. If so Switch 2 could be more problematic for Nintendo than we thought, and the chance of having major barren periods of first party releases on Switch 2 cannot be ruled out.

Whatever is the cause for this delay surely must lead to Nintendo working out want went so wrong, because this is far removed from the smooth transition they were aiming for, because they now have no Switch 2 games ready for release this year and they don't even have games to fill out Switch 1 calender this year because all their teams are working on Switch 2 games by now.
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It really seems like we were both right and wrong all along in underestimating Nintendo, tbh. They will be sparing absolutely no expense for Switch 2 development after all, and EPD themselves seem to have underestimated how incredibly time consuming/expensive making games with modern hardware is now. Assuming this is all true, I guess their release cadency is about to join the rest of the industry... Which sucks, but as long as their reduced output is very high quality I'll still be looking forward to it.
 
How much time would it take to shrink T239 to N3E? If we use product release dates as a reference, it took 888 days or almost 2.5 years for it to happen, so it seems difficult to do in, what, 1 year-1.5 years, if the 2025 plan was set in late 2023.
 
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Again, T239 is a bespoke chip based on the four year old Ampere architecture of the RTX 30 series (which I don't think anyone would call obsolete) and with features backported from the 15 month old Ada architecture used in the RTX 40 series. The chip design being started in 2019/2020 does not literally mean the chip itself is that age, it does not exist in any product yet. Kits for the sibling SoC T234 weren't distributed until 2022 I believe. Orin is the most current Tegra line since Atlan was cancelled and Thor is yet to be released. When T239 is out a six month gap will not suddenly obsolete it. It is still a modern DirectX12 compliant chip with features like DLSS.

Hosermess said:
it's not like Nate just found out about March a minute before he posted his podcast episode
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Again I know and I clarified in a later post that I am just referring to the speed at which we've heard about these rumors. From one week to the next. I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes but it's obviously not that fast.
 
BDGAME said:
Ok, if that thing will release only in 2025 I hope that all the most optimistic expectations, on realistic side, come to be true and we get:

  • T239 with 4.+ Tflops
  • 16 GB of fast RAM
  • 512 internal with at least 1+ GB/s
  • 1080p screen with a good LCD or mini LED
  • CPU closer to current gen machines as possible for a portable.
  • DLSS 3.5 with the best portable ray tracing we ever see

The later it release the best the hardware need to be to not give a "wii u vibe" of selling outdated hardware as a new product.
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Needs to be on the TSMC 3 nm so they can push clocks.

SSD and I/O need to be at Series X|S level.

And it absolutely needs 16 GB of LPDDR5X. No question.

If this console released back in 2023, or was coming out in a month, you could accept maybe a Saumsung 8 NM or TSMC 7 nm node. But in 2025, the console needs to be on TSMC 3 nm. It needs to have super fast I/O and it absolutely needs 16 GB of RAM.

The PS6 and next-gen Xbox may be releasing just 24 months after the Switch 2 releases - and there's a very good chance both Sony and Microsoft will be going all in on handhelds as well.

It's not out of the question that Microsoft switches to ARM + Nvidia for a next-gen console and handheld.
 
Darknut85 said:
Nintendo struggling with development seems silly, firstly Furukawa said release date isn‘t influenced by current business situation and secondly they had 7 years to plan ahead and should be ready. Either 2025 was always the plan or never.
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what you forgot Nintendo struggled when they went to SD to HD development(Wii to Wii U), why the same cant apply now
 
So a theoretical Q1 2025 could look like, assuming March is the reveal:

March 2024:Reveal/Announcement of a new Nintendo console
Silence until September
September 2024: Teaser of the console
January 2025: Presentation focusing on the new console and official release date
March 2025: Release

Tbh a part of me doesn't even want a teaser next month if it means waiting till late 2024 for more info.

On a side note, I wonder if that Atlus leaker who said the new Metaphor Re:Fantasio game would release on the new Nintendo console this year, hear anything about the delay...
 
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