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Yup it definitely seems 2024 has been entirely defeated now for Switch 2. Way to many sources confirming the news now.
 
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I'm shocked that there are reports that software is the limiting factor here. Nintendo must really be having issues with the new technology if a 3D Mario and Mario Kart aren't nearly done by now, given the length of time since the last entries for those. Based on how long it's been since we heard from the major development teams, I was expecting them to building up a good amount of software for the first year or two of the system's life.
 
Bonejack said:
So first he couldn't even have a single of his own sources to corroborate on this delay, and now suddenly multiple third parties told him?

Really now.

I'm not believing any of this anymore.
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I've still got some small doubts here and there, but this is a far more confident report...

Welp... what is there to do but wait I guess...

sigh


I think that's enough Famiboard discussion for one day...
 
Bonejack said:
So first he couldn't even have a single of his own sources to corroborate on this delay, and now suddenly multiple third parties told him?

Really now.

I'm not believing any of this anymore.
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I might be a bit slow but why is that unlikely? (3rd party telling him the rumor is true)?
 
To me, what is relevant is whether this is "I heard this info from a source who heard it directly from Nintendo at GDC" or "I heard this from a friend of a friend at GDC." I don't honestly mind a March 2025 launch, but the insubstantial language that all these follow-up articles today have been using frankly doesn't seem like good reporting practice to me. Why report at all if you aren't confident in your sources? No one wants to look like they were "wrong" about 2024, I suppose, but at least take the time to get your facts in order before you report the delay, y'all.
 
Bonejack said:
So first he couldn't even have a single of his own sources to corroborate on this delay, and now suddenly multiple third parties told him?

Really now.

I'm not believing any of this anymore.
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I mean that's how this happens even in like mainstream news lmao. Once something drops others start yapping. Nothing crazy here lol. I can point to a real world example that just happened this week if you'd like lmao
 
Zedark said:
So MK and 3D Mario have been cooking for at least 7 years now. I find it hard to believe that those two titles, which I assume are the major releases for the first year of Switch 2, aren't ready for a 2024 launch of the system. So the major tentpole releases should not be a problem I'd think. This would imply that, if software was a reason for a delay, then either some minor releases got them to shift things, or this is not the reason for the delay (in which case I can't think of any other reason tbh).

The entire delay theory seems hard to square with the current situation tbh.

Or perhaps they wanted more tentpole releases and it is indeed a software issue...
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Mario Kart at least is not in development for 7 years.
 
It feels like missing 2024 is missed opportunity for Nintendo considering the issues their competitors are currently having, but obviously ensuring a solid SW lineup in the launch window is paramount.

I’m mostly just a little concerned about Switch 2 launching around the same time as GTA6.
 
The reason everyone seem to be aware now could be, as stated, that Nintendo informed its partners about it.

People say it doesn't make sense to reveal it in March if it's launching next year but I disagree:
  • It will still release in the next FY, and they should talk about their plans for that FY in May, so this lines up.
  • At some point they'll want to control the messaging instead of always having wild rumors out there.
 
Like. I really want to hear when this decision was made, and if a reveal really was planned for next month. Because if this decision was made as recently as it sounds, Nintendo just looks unbelievably scatterbrained here.
 
hannibunny2411 said:
Maaaan. This is not the way to start into the weekend.
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Soralink91 said:
It does seem like the competition gave Nintendo a great window to release this year and dominate awards with 3D Mario. Would be a tough pill if Nintendo misses this window, but at the end of the day if software wasn't ready than not much they could do.

I think this is going to be a long year for Nintendo fans.
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This doesn't have to be a bad things. In your dock right now has 7 systems in 1. Depending your tier subscription. There is a game you haven't played and it underrated. There's a game on sale that you might like. Look, I would love to have the Switch 2 come out this year and I am not saying it won't but this won't bother because I got a backlog to finish. I got udemy course to do. I am sure 90% of us has games we don't finish. This could be a slow year, and that's fine. Nintendo take your time if you need to.




Also all that really matter is a megaman legend collection with remastered controls. 💋 😘
 
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Lugia667 said:
So is the reveal next month still happening?
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If these sources are true, and if companies were recently briefed on the internal delay, then I don't think so. No reason to reveal a device a year out this early when they're not in a Wii U situation. By this I mean a full reveal and not a statement to shareholders. If the launch was delayed, then I'd assume the reveal to also be delayed.
 
Hmm that new report update...

Now what could be up with the launch release slate for their 1st party? If true still of course.
 
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Let first parties cook

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Jbone916 said:
It feels like missing 2024 is missed opportunity for Nintendo considering the issues their competitors are currently having, but obviously ensuring a solid SW lineup in the launch window is paramount.

I’m mostly just a little concerned about Switch 2 launching around the same time as GTA6.
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GTA6 is not Q1, it might not even be Q2. Rockstar's earnings expectations moved the giant revenue bump they'd see from GTA6 to the 2nd half of the year.
 
DariliumA said:
What's the point of that message? Vindication?
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That's not how I read it. I read it as Brazil really does feel bad.

The smile was that this response was pretty much expected. You would expect it too, if you had to break something like this to the community.
 
Procheno said:
Answer me this:

If Nintendo was so short stocked/panicked on software and had to delay everything to accommodate, then why didn't they hold onto Super Mario Wonder? Switch didn't need Wonder last year with TotK, Fire Emblem Engage, Pikmin 4, SMRPG, Pokemon, Xenoblade Future Redeemed, Mario Kart DLC, Advance Wars, etc? Could have used that for Switch 2 as a cross-platform game if they're so desperate.

Or better yet, why are they clumping/releasing most of their first party lineup in the first 3 months of 2024 when software is already anemic? Another Code, Mario VS Donkey Kong, Princess Peach Showtime, Splatoon 3 Side Order. Then to have to resort to a partner direct when there's only 2 remasters left on your plate, no original games for the rest of 2024 and with no release dates on said games, sounds ingenious.

It doesn't make sense, I don't buy these rumors.
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ceres15 said:
I'm shocked that there are reports that software is the limiting factor here. Nintendo must really be having issues with the new technology if a 3D Mario and Mario Kart aren't nearly done by now, given the length of time since the last entries for those. Based on how long it's been since we heard from the major development teams, I was expecting them to building up a good amount of software for the first year or two of the system's life.
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I think that's a rush to judgment. All it takes is one of those games, assuming they're the first two or 3 big games for the successor, to need a little more time for this internal delay to happen.

For example, say Mario would be ready for a holiday launch. But the 2nd game was Mario Kart and they wanted it out in early March. But now they suspect they'll need a couple more months to cook MK to perfection. You can move Mario and an unannounced system back no issue.
 
oldpuck said:
A three month hardware delay doesn't suddenly invent games that can be launched to fill in the gap. We don't know if this delay is real. We don't know when this delay, if real, was decided on.

But if Nintendo had a fairly recent schedule change, wouldn't you expect them to have to s t r e t c h out the remaining Switch 1 releases to cover a longer period? If their original intent was to have Switch 2 + Big Launch Title as the holiday package, and now they delay to next year, wouldn't you expect them to take the biggest, last Switch 1 game in the hopper, and pull it out of Summer and push it into the Holiday?

Let's pretend we're in the middle of the Switch lifecycle, and we're in the runup to a Generic February Direct. Let us assume that Nintendo doesn't have any big hitters coming soon, and the release schedule is looking thin. What basically every game company does in those cases, is start announcing software early, with CGI trailers and vague dates, as a way to paper over the lack of announcements.

But in a world with delayed hardware, all the paper launch marketing tactics aren't available to you, because all the games 2 years out are tied to your Switch 2 marketing. Hell, if they're exclusives, you certainly don't want to be advertising games that can't be played on the only hardware customers know about

I have no idea what, if anything is happening at Nintendo. I'm just saying, any recent delay of the NG launch, if it was happening, only makes the Partner Direct make more sense, not less. Nintendo has to stretch out the existing calendar.
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Fair enough. I've been under the assumption that they've just been sitting on a lot of games that I thought they would have probably released this year with or without the Switch 2's release. However, even if they are, if such a delay was made recently, they're clearly still figuring out how to fill in the gaps they made by delaying the console.

A partner showcase still being a partner could prove that this is a more recent change to their plans. I still think a reveal in March is probably what's going to happen. It doesn't seem to be that bad of a delay anyway. October (probably) - March, that's only 5 months and in comparison to how long we've waited already, it doesn't really matter.

I wonder what caused them to delay it; Nintendo obviously isn't above development shortcomings, though it's rare that things are done on such short notice.
 
So... Since we were all expecting Prime 4 to be crossgen but also a showcase for the Switch 2 hardware, does this mean Prime 4 is 2025 as well?
 
Truno said:
Let first parties cook

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I'd have been happy to do that, frankly... if 2025 had been the plan all along. Now we get to deal with whatever passes for "filling the gaps" for a whole year from Nintendo.

Forgive me if my expectations are quite low indeed.
 
Jbone916 said:
It feels like missing 2024 is missed opportunity for Nintendo considering the issues their competitors are currently having, but obviously ensuring a solid SW lineup in the launch window is paramount.

I’m mostly just a little concerned about Switch 2 launching around the same time as GTA6.
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Realistically I don’t think a shift from what was likely November to now March will impact them that negatively especially if the lineup will be stronger
 
Lugia667 said:
Is the reveal still happening in March or April?
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I've mentioned it before (probably in a different thread), but I don't know the reveal plans. I've heard from one source that it's in April, but I also fully trust NateDrake's info.

Just like with the Partner Direct that was scheduled for yesterday, though, these things can change fast.
 
Hocot8 said:
I think that's a rush to judgment. All it takes is one of those games, assuming they're the first two or 3 big games for the successor, to need a little more time for this internal delay to happen.

For example, say Mario would be ready for a holiday launch. But the 2nd game was Mario Kart and they wanted it out in early March. But now they suspect they'll need a couple more months to cook MK to perfection. You can move Mario and an unannounced system back no issue.
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Well, the issue is you miss holiday sales. But the NG Switch will sell out regardless of the time it releases, I suppose.
 
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DariliumA said:
What's the point of that message? Vindication?

This is a general message but journalists really shouldn't be reporting on unsubstantial stuff. That VGC article was like "we can't corroborate with our own sources but some other random news outlet said Switch 2 is delayed!!!". Investigative journalism.
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misrepresenting his post and the vgc article all in one post lmfao.
 
It sounds like Nintendo recently informed key 3rd party developers of a Switch 2 launch delay to early 2025, but I’m under the impression that the reason for the delay was not explicitly stated in the communication based on the reports so far. The talk of software delays being the reason may just be speculation.
 
Jbone916 said:
It feels like missing 2024 is missed opportunity for Nintendo considering the issues their competitors are currently having, but obviously ensuring a solid SW lineup in the launch window is paramount.

I’m mostly just a little concerned about Switch 2 launching around the same time as GTA6.
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Big brain move: GTA 6 is a Switch 2 launch title.
 
carbvan said:
So... Since we were all expecting Prime 4 to be crossgen but also a showcase for the Switch 2 hardware, does this mean Prime 4 is 2025 as well?
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I think they'd just drop the Switch 1 SKU and announce the next-gen version at a later date
 
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The reporting is more confident, but it still conflicts with other reporting of a reveal next month. Again I don't think they'd reveal next month or even in April for a launch next year. If we get more information that a reveal isn't happening soon I'm more likely to believe in Q1 '25 and this being a weird year.

Though wasn't that rumor about an imminent reveal like literally a week ago? Damn that was comically fast, lmao.
 
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