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I don't think anyone here has that kind of money to burn, anyway and if they did, it certainly shouldn't be for something like this.I don't think anyone here would actually spend $3k on that. Let's not be melodramatic.
A little fiscal responsibility can go a long way. (I know you're probably joking, but still)Don't tell others how to spend their money.
That's for a year, a month would be plenty for us. That's 3k/12=250. So adjusting for a year being the cheaper option say 300. 30 of us donate 10$ and we're there.
Yeah, lol. I would save the $3k for Switch 2, whatever the next-gen version of Switch Pro is (unless they're keeping it for Switch 2, cuz I love Switch Pro so much) and roughly 40 gamesI don't think anyone here has that kind of money to burn, anyway and if they did, it certainly shouldn't be for something like this.Also, they probably wouldn't be hanging around here.
I think most of us are secretly billionaires.I don't think anyone here has that kind of money to burn, anyway and if they did, it certainly shouldn't be for something like this.Also, they probably wouldn't be hanging around here.
Can confirm.I think most of us are secretly billionaires.
I’m a few 0’s away.I think most of us are secretly billionaires.
Yeah, in Monopoly.I think most of us are secretly billionaires.
That explains why so many donate $1 to my Streamlabs & then ask long, complex questions requiring 15 minutes to answer.I think most of us are secretly billionaires.
You should charge $1 per minute of answerThat explains why so many donate $1 to my Streamlabs & then ask long, complex questions requiring 15 minutes to answer.
I think most of us are secretly billionaires.
I'll make a Nate hotline and charge $1 a minute to read random excerpts from old game magazines.You should charge $1 per minute of answer
It's only nothing because we already knew most of us from different sources. But if it wasn't for the Nvidia leak/ linux commits this would be huge.the nothingness of this burger compounds with every passing hour
y can't metroid crawl?I'll make a Nate hotline and charge $1 a minute to read random excerpts from old game magazines.
Depends, what celebrity has a voice similar to yours?I'll make a Nate hotline and charge $1 a minute to read random excerpts from old game magazines.
A good question & one I'd need the community to answer.Depends, what celebrity has a voice similar to yours?
HERE, HERE!!!!You don't have to spend 3000 dollars, because I can tell you right now that whatever is in there will confirm 100% a 2023 reveal for a March release.
I'll make a Nate hotline and charge $1 a minute to read random excerpts from old game magazines.
It’s more expensive compared to the US just like every other country that has a PS5 that isn’t the US. This isn’t a Japan only issue.It’s much more expensive in Japan (60000 yen) than in the US to try to compensate for how weak the yen is and it’s still not working for Sony. Most of the systems seem to be being resold overseas based on how bad the PS5’s software sales in Japan are.
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We are playing around with the idea of doing a call-in show...1-900-THE-HATE
Darn.A good question & one I'd need the community to answer.
It’s more expensive compared to the US just like every other country that has a PS5 that isn’t the US. This isn’t a Japan only issue.
It’s partially not more expensive in the US, because Xbox is competitive in the US, they can’t get away with this.
PS5 is more expensive in many regions where Xbox is frankly irrelevant to the market, it’s not so in regions where Xbox puts up a noticeable fight in the market.
Not to speak for Thrak, but he was trying to game out the process node. Moving to a larger device opens up new process node possibilities, but actually doesn't change the performance estimates. Let me see if I can summarize why, since I genuinely think Thraktor's post is so brilliant, I wanna fangirl on it a bit.I'd still love @Thraktor to take another look at this. These estimates are for a drake inside a Switch sized device... how might he adjust it in a device sized up to SteamDeck or bigger? Id also love to see a power curve chart for 4nm, would that change things?
I definitely do not sound like them, lol.Darn.
Look I'm just hoping you sound like Stephen Fry or Anthony Stewart Head. I could listen to them talk about taxes and be enthralled.
Source for those 2024 numbers? Are you saying 4N in 2024 would offer less bang for buck than 8N? If I recall, 4N is 2.7x denser than 8N, is 4N in 2024 also more than 2.7x expensive?The issue with a lot of the “Samsung 8nm wouldn’t make sense, it would cost more while being way heavier” analysis is that it looks at current and actual costs right now instead of projected costs back in 2021.
Yes, Samsung 8nm would end up making this cost a lot more.
But NVIDIA gave extremely expensive projections for the costs of 4N chips in 2024, the projected cost for Samsung 8nm could have been much lower relatively.
If this is Samsung 8nm, it’s largely just because NVIDIA or Nintendo screwed up projecting demand for 4N chips, but there were tons of projection screwups in 2020-2021 due to COVID.
Source for those claims? Are you saying 4N in 2924 would offer less bang for buck than 8N? If I recall, 4N is 2.7x denser than 8N, is 4N in 2024 also more than 2.7x expensive?
That still wouldn't explain the chip size. As Oldpuck explained a few posts above, a smaller chip with higher clocks would have similar if not better performance per watt as a 12 SM soc with ultra low clocks on 8nm.The issue with a lot of the “Samsung 8nm wouldn’t make sense, it would cost more while being way heavier” analysis is that it looks at current and actual costs right now instead of projected costs back in 2021.
Yes, Samsung 8nm would end up making this cost a lot more.
But if NVIDIA gave extremely expensive projections for the costs of 4N chips in 2024, the projected cost for Samsung 8nm could have been much lower relatively.
If this is Samsung 8nm, it’s largely just because NVIDIA or Nintendo screwed up projecting demand for 4N chips, but there were tons of projection screwups in 2020-2021 due to COVID.
Yes, but Nintendo could have prioritized computing power over weight based on market research. Will people be okay with a 22W monster with a Steam Deck like weight? Maybe, a lot of people are okay with the Steam Deck’s weight currently.That still wouldn't explain the chip size. As Oldpuck explained a few posts above, a smaller chip with higher clocks would have similar if not better performance per watt as a 12 SM soc with ultra low clocks on 8nm.
I'm sorry, no you didn't make anything clear.What in the world are you talking about?
I’m saying that many companies in 2020 and 2021 expected massive demand for chips to continue indefinitely.
In this time period, they may have estimated the cost of near cutting edge wafers to be extremely expensive due to the extremely high projected demand.
I am saying nothing about current prices and make that pretty clear?
Nintendo won’t have this problem because Japanese people actually want to buy Switches.Okay so I’m talking about the relentless scalping issues in Japan that seem to be strongly affecting the PS5 is the thing. Software sales are just super strangely low relative to hardware sales and those sales plus the extremely weak yen seem to point to PS5s being shipped out of Japan.
This is a pretty serious issue for Nintendo if they want the Switch 2 to have a large Japanese user base for games like Dragon Quest etc.
I'm sorry, no you didn't make anything clear.
Assuming 4N is 2.7x denser than SEC8N, your hypothetical would be a concern only if it also is 2.7x or above more expensive. Are you thinking we are past that point?
As I said in the thread previously, but even in 2021, if you are going to design an SoC focused on a minimally portable gaming device, you don't design it in a WORSE architecture than that of the consoles launched in 2020, it doesn't make any sense, in the At least NVidia would have planned something at TSMC 7nm.What in the world are you talking about?
I’m saying that many companies in 2020 and 2021 expected massive demand for chips to continue indefinitely.
In this time period, they may have estimated the cost of near cutting edge wafers to be extremely expensive due to the extremely high projected demand.
I am saying nothing about current prices and make that pretty clear?
The Switch 2 is only Samsung 8nm if NVIDIA screwed up projecting demand in 2021… But a lot of companies did that.
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I am saying it’s very possible NVIDIA (in 2021 when demand was at its highest) made a projection that the price gap would be larger than 2.7x in 2024 and several years afterwards.
You are asking for sources about hypothetical projections that would explain the 8nm rumors and that does not make any sense.
I don't think that would have factored into it. Nvidia achieved a similar performance per watt on 8nm with ampere than AMD did with 7nm. Performance per watt is all that matters here, not how it's achieved.As I said in the thread previously, but even in 2021, if you are going to design an SoC focused on a minimally portable gaming device, you don't design it in a WORSE architecture than that of the consoles launched in 2020, it doesn't make any sense, in the At least NVidia would have planned something at TSMC 7nm.
What I've said is, it's either 4N at standard efficiency, or it's 8nm but so power efficient it knocks everything else out of the water, to the point it might as well be 4N.I don't think that would have factored into it. Nvidia achieved a similar performance per watt on 8nm with ampere than AMD did with 7nm. Performance per watt is all that matters here, not how it's achieved.
Which is why 12 SM on 8nm doesn't make sense , unless Drake is somehow so efficient it makes every other comparison point irrelevant.
Mediatek has the max frequency for the Cortex-A78 on the Dimensity 8300, which is fabricated using TSMC's 4 nm* process node, set at 3.1 GHz.Maxes are probably 3GHz, since that's the default max from ARM. Technically, an integrator can alter the power curves to push higher, but a quick check of Qualcomm and Samsung SOCs shows that no one pushed those cores past 2.8GHz.
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That might be true for the GPU, but the CPU is a known quantity at 8 vs 7-4NM.What I've said is, it's either 4N at standard efficiency, or it's 8nm but so power efficient it knocks everything else out of the water, to the point it might as well be 4N.
Ultimately, it probably doesn't matter, even if one is more likely than the other. The NG Switch will probably use comparable power consumption to... Nintendo Switch. Because it's still a handheld marketed to children.
no, Samsung stopped developing 10nm further. guess they can always make a further enhanced variant, but I doubt anyone would spend money on thatIs there a path from Samsung 8nm for a future revision of the Switch 2 like there was with the Switch going from the TX1 to TX1+ (20nm to 16nm)? If not, then it really wouldn't make sense to go with that, right? We're talking about an SoC that is going to be in use for the next 6+ years. Nintendo didn't have any real control when they first contracted the use of the Tegra X1, but with the T239 being custom with budgets and expectations on their behalf, they have a LOT more.
I have been thinking that if it's using TSMC 4N, then Nintendo may want a battery life around 4.5-5 hours while running the next AAA zelda.
Then, in 2026 they could release the lite model using the same node, but having ~3h on zelda. It would be the inverse they did when comparing switch v1 vs Lite on this matter, with the latter had advantage.
So I believe a handheld clock in the range of 460-520 is a safer bet [for me]
I'm ok with the performance it will give.