So you agree with the conclusion that Switch 2 won’t be on S8N given the size of the chip (as I do) but you’re reaching it from a different perspective?
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So you agree with the conclusion that Switch 2 won’t be on S8N given the size of the chip (as I do) but you’re reaching it from a different perspective?
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Yeah, I'm starting to think that the speakers shipped in the hundreds (with the SAC222 ID) may be a new part used in devkits, if they are indeed using some new speaker part for the next Switch.
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Ahh i love me a good leak to sweeten that last work day of the week.
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TomNookYankees
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And I'm sure Nintendo would be trying something similar as well. Most models sold would be the $450 model and assuming everything about the two models is the same except whether or not its digital only and Nintendo goes with a full 512GB of internal storage it could similarly succeed.
Sony and Microsoft aren't the only ones who are looking to push consumers towards digital purchases though. Practically the entire industry, especially AAA publishers, are pushing it.
darthdiablo
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This is the other one I've been using. This is the same website (I believe) that Connor used in the tweet screenshot, shared in a comment about 30 hours ago.
I have been combining info from both websites. The one you shared have limited data going back (ie: no 2016 data), but has dates. While the link I shared doesn't show dates (unless you're on paid subscription).
Someone having paid subscription, having access to additional details (like @P4bl0 ) is even better.
Concernt
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To be fair the speaker modules for OLED Model also had a waterproof mesh, so this isn't necessarily new.
SoldierDelta
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A good leak and rumour makes a good day. At least it's something to discuss.
Granted the past month has been basically nothing but something to discuss in the Game Industry with some big company doing something stupid, so let's rephrase that to "Something more hopeful to discuss".
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Something definitely is.
Hosermess
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The two listing with 519.0 & 234.0 pieces have a different product description which is yes, definitely interesting I guess a little weird. As for why the other listings with (from what can be seen) the same product descriptions aren't just combined into one line, who knows. Each line could be the number of products that were added to the shipment on a certain day, from a certain production line or even work shift. No idea.
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Also AFAIK nothing about the shipping IDs in any of these indicate what model speaker is being shipped, so it's impossible to know if they are the waterproof ones. P4blo was just sharing that this company does make waterproof speakers.
I'm starting to think this is not the big news, that the ~750 SAC222 speakers are for devkits for Switch 2 but they are not yet procuring mass quantities of speakers for Switch 2.
darthdiablo
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I'll reiterate, we want to be certain those speakers - even though they have new labels or IDs, isn't for any of the current-gen Switch models.
If we cannot find ironclad proof either way, maybe we need to find more supporting evidence (other parts being shipped that cannot be for current-gen Switch models)
spekkeh
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I had typed a whole post right before the lock, but since people are commenting on the two SKUs here too,
That said, I don't think they're going to do this. Nintendo values clarity for consumers and doesn't want angry moms complaining in the store that the Christmas presents they bought for their son aren't playable on their cheaper digital switch. It would be very messy.
I don't think it's the price impact but more the opportunity cost and higher returns for digital. A physical game release has a 30% cut for the brick and mortar shop and a 5% production cost. That's why a $70 physical game can be sold for $50 with a voucher and net Nintendo the exact same amount of money. And if people don't use a voucher or the physical game is $60, Nintendo makes enough on the digital sale that they can sell the console for cheaper. Especially if it locks people into a digital only console.
That said, I don't think they're going to do this. Nintendo values clarity for consumers and doesn't want angry moms complaining in the store that the Christmas presents they bought for their son aren't playable on their cheaper digital switch. It would be very messy.
Teal'c
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A "digital version" of the Switch 2 shouldn't have a cartridge reader, right? Honestly I don't see the advantage, the cost of the latter would be negligible and they couldn't put a much higher internal memory due to the costs.
I don't think it's the same situation/cost as a blu ray player.
I don't think it's the same situation/cost as a blu ray player.
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Do devkits usually have speakers? I feel like they just need target hardware and develop through their own speakers
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Maybe my thinking is too "easy" ... but if Nintendo wants new speakers for current or a new Switch model, wouldn't they go with a different manufacturer that is not a big player in AR/VR and likely more expensive than other, more budget-focused vendors?
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I mean, you can eat an invisible/ nothing sandwich and leave no crumbs… but that’s not exactly filling
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Depending on the cost of an actual unit, it might be enough of a difference to justify setting a lower mark-up for the system. That or it could literally just be to propose an "Entry-level system" with a big enough disadvantage to justify spending the additional 50 bucks on a proper physical unit.
Again though, I'm just speculating.
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No offence, Skittzo, but millions of units ordered would be pretty unusual for dev kit production. I doubt there'll be more than a few thousand total by time it launches.
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Oh, it's a different manufacturer? I thought someone mentioned it was from same manufacturer, just different ID, that made speakers for current OLED models. If it's really a different manufacturer, I missed that detail.
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"Same unit but it's much cheaper and is digital only" Is exactly what Sony did with the PS5 and that's working for them. Just like with the PS5, the Digital Only unit would provide a worse profit margin.
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It's the same manufacturer as OLED Model, but appears to be a different part to what OLED uses.
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Maybe you're right and i'm wrong? It's hard to follow right now, cause i try to get a team of coders already in weekend mood back into at least some work focus for the last two hours of this week.
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Yes, Switch devkits do. They are self contained Switches in the Switch form factor.
I'm not saying these are all for devkits, but the SAC222 number units which total ~750 only would be. The rest are probably for the OLED models being made for this holiday season.
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We can't really say "probably" there. "Possibly", perhaps.
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I’m curious on what those parts are then
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How are you coming to this conclusion btw? I've been trying to google part numbers/product IDs but nothing is corresponding well to the shipment data.
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The weight reduction of PS5 vs PS5 digital makes it quite more viable to reduce shippments costs to subdize in part the drop in price (a CD player + the extra plàstic doesnt cost the 100$ you save with PS5: DE). This wouldnt be the case for a all-digital Switch
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alright I don't know (well I know the data I'm seeing goes back as long as I want, that I know), I see that link so can give it credence.
But the other stuff you mention throughout 2023, where would you get them?
This is all confusing: one of you gave me this website https://en.nbd.ltd/
It is a paid service, and I know any other source would not give the - recent - company level shipments for free. So have you subscribed to any of these services? I'm asking because your tables do not always have the same format.
Thank you for responding at least.
darthdiablo
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Ok - yeah, that's what I thought I saw too. Leading me to be slightly concerned. We want to rule out the possibility that it's for current-gen Switch models (ie: OLED models). Different part, different ID, but might have only slight variation from what OLED models originally used.. ?
Thus why I'm asking to see if we can dig up other examples beyond those speaker shipments. We know of "Carpa X1" and the "functional test PCAs" shipments. The speakers is interesting, it gets me excited, but I still have that annoying reservation in back of my head "what if it's for current models". I am hoping we find more examples beyond those speakers.
Dark Cloud
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Just like we said. It’s not releasing until September 2024And now we have another rumor.
[Rumor] Switch 2 codenamed "NG", two SKUs, September 2024 release Rumor
The info comes from the same person that the past few months has provided The Snitch with details and screenshots of Rise of the Ronin, which he went on to post on his Discord channel. On top of that, he was also the one to inform The Snitch about the development of a God of War: Ragnarok DLC...www.resetera.com
- September 2024 launch
- $450 for standard, $400 for digital-only
- NG is indeed the code name
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I think the best definitive proof of these speaker shipments meaning anything useful would be to look at what was shipped around July/August in 2022 from this supplier to Nintendo. Can someone with access to one of those databases try to do this?
darthdiablo
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Yes, @P4bl0 mentioned he has paid access earlier.
darthdiablo
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That leak is not to be taken seriously. NG isn't the codename.
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I’m quoting myself again but can we please double, triple even quadruple check before everyone jumps on the H1 train that has no engineer in sight just because the Conductor(s) said all aboard?
Cross reference for other products, looking at history, compare the different data, etc. it’s like getting ahead of itself before we even know if someone is actually going to drive this train to the next station
mjayer
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Unless Nintendo has some new expensive tech going into the card reader for switch 2 (which is possible, but if not) it cost an order of magnitude less than a BluRay drive.
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SoldierDelta
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H1 and H2 wars are at an all-time high and I accidentally supplied the latter with ammunition
My rumour...
Giancarlo
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is a Ferrari or a Fusca the Switch sucessor?
2B
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What's the context around the second screenshot? "the 24th of September"
So you've heard Sept. 24th, 2024?
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The stuff from here has made it's way to Era, i think it won't take long until media people will notice and do some questioning/research on their own.
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I'm doing my best to shout for the same stuff. I feel ya
casualreader
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Thank you. I missed that. What bothers me is it should check out on my end in the data I'm seeing. Perhaps I m forgetting something and so will check with some colleagues early next week. Not that I am any reference, but frankly knowing BoL data the labels that were shown are a little bit suspicious.
Maybe by the time I checked some insiders will sit down at the table and confirm what Pablo is trying to show, nothing would make me more happy.
Have a good end to the week.
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Interesting those PS/Nintendo devkits seem to be often shipped together. Does that mean both PS5 Pro and Switch 2 will release close to each other? Or maybe it's just bog standard PS5 kits who knows.Ubisoft Japan shipping Playstation and Nintendo devkits to their Indian studio end of august
Ever heard of SDEV-DSR and ADEV-DSR as a NX Devkit model guys ?
SDEV and ADEV are well established names for NX development kitsUbisoft Japan shipping Playstation and Nintendo devkits to their Indian studio end of august
Ever heard of SDEV-DSR and ADEV-DSR as a NX Devkit model guys ?
Teal'c
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Well yes, all hypotheses.
A version without a cartridge reader would theoretically have a much larger SSD so I think the cost would increase making the benefit probably null. Unless the Switch 2 uses fast and low cost expandable memory...
But maybe it's just the dual SKU that seems unlikely to me at the moment.
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That's the intended release date that my source said to me. Knowing Nintendo, I could believe they'd do that date.
Funny story with it though; my source said the date as "9/24" so I just assumed "Oh, they must mean September 2024, that makes a lot of sense".
My stupid-British brain was wrong, my source clarified for me that it was the 24th of September 2024. That's why I made a second comment later on.
If possible, it could be interesting to check the shipments data around spring 2021 to look for the initial shipments of the speakers for the OLED model initial units. If this shipment were indeed for NG, we could have a reference point there for the launch volume or how much components will Nintendo keep for further productions.
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A reasonably conclusion to come to, but it might depend on how "uniform" Nintendo wants the SKUs to be.Well yes, all hypotheses.
A version without a cartridge reader would theoretically have a much larger SSD so I think the cost would increase making the benefit probably null. Unless the Switch 2 uses fast and low cost expandable memory...
But maybe it's just the dual SKU that seems unlikely to me at the moment.
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