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Lugia667 said:
it is time

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The free-form display controller with the two rubber nubsticks still lives in my head rent free.
 
I really don't think they will go with multiple skus. It defeats the ostensible reason to stockpile supply because you are dividing production lines/processes.

Also I don't think either ps5 or xbox series has shown that it is a good strategy as opposed to releasing a single sku.
 
Have there been any updates on the potential specs of this thing yet? I'm hoping it's a little more capable of getting modern games than the Switch was.

Though honestly, Switch didn't do to bad. I think it healed a lot of developer relationships with Nintendo.
 
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Simbinha said:
I have a feeling that Nintendo might do multiple SKUs in this one like the PS5 Digital/Disc and the Series S/X (technically different consoles? but you know what i mean). Hopefully a more expensive OLED version, but i do think it's more likely for them to go the 256GB/512GB route for this.

Or, in a better example, how Sony did with the Vita having a 3G SKU and an OLED one [although i don't think it was ever marketed as an OLED version, they just put it on one of their revisions)
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I'm also a fan of the two SKU approach at launch. I think something like this would be ideal:

Switch 2 - $399 - 7" LCD display, 256 GB storage
Switch 2 XL - $499 - 8" OLED display, 512 GB storage
 
Sol said:
I'm also a fan of the two SKU approach at launch. I think something like this would be ideal:

Switch 2 - $399 - 7" LCD display, 256 GB storage
Switch 2 XL - $499 - 8" OLED display, 512 GB storage
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As someone who wants a 7 inch form factor and an OLED screen with 512GB.... this is a nightmare option select for me
 
Simbinha said:
Or, in a better example, how Sony did with the Vita having a 3G SKU and an OLED one [although i don't think it was ever marketed as an OLED version, they just put it on one of their revisions)
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That's not how the Vita launched. Both Vita SKUs had OLEDs, the difference was in their connectivity. One just had WiFi and the other also had 3G connectivity. Two years later, they released a revision that changed it to LCD, dropped the mobile data variant and also added a bunch of QoL features.
 
Derilian said:
Wouldn’t it be crazy if, emboldened by the success of the switch, Nintendo went all in with their next generation ecosystem and had a lite, base model, and deluxe/plus/pro ready for launch.
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I’d think that would be an awful idea & actively hamper consumer adoption of the system since they are diluting stock & wasting manufacturing lines trying to cater to everyone. It would also make selling later models harder later on; are people really gonna get excited for a revised Lite model.

I think Nintendo should stick with one sku at launch. Keep it simple. If people are that enamored with the OLED they’ll have to wait if that is Nintendo’s plan going forward.
 
mjayer said:
Here's my contribution... more rough (and 8" not 7.9.. oops)

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I think the device needs to be a bit bigger because I don’t think this will be bezelless. At least a ~1/8th inch/0.31cm/31.8mm bezel all around since this is an LCD display, not an OLED one.
 
oldpuck said:
I'd say 75%. The current carts do this. In theory, Nintendo could just use the cart to store encrypted data, and put the decryption keys in the NG itself (using the Tegra Security Module to hide them from hackers). But I think Nintendo would also want to make the NAND unwritable, and that would likely require an ASIC around it anyway.
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Current hardware just has encrypted data on the card, everything goes through an on-board ASIC/SoC for decryption/encryption (it's that HAC-labeled chip on the part of the board that sticks out next to the fan on side A).
 
The larger screen line up with my expectation it will be a larger device. Probably won't have OG's bezel and be a flush screen like the Switch OLED, just with an LCD on a larger overalld evice.
 
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Skittzo said:
Because it still probably needs bezels.
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Which will make it another fraction of an inch bigger on each side. Still not huge.

Edit: The OLED model's bezels are about 0.18'' each left and right, and 0.12'' each top and bottom.
 
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Derilian said:
Wouldn’t it be crazy if, emboldened by the success of the switch, Nintendo went all in with their next generation ecosystem and had a lite, base model, and deluxe/plus/pro ready for launch.
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I could see offering a half- or quarter- capacity storage model alongside the base as a more affordable option especially if Nate is estimating a €350+ starting point, it would just be a matter of making different the boxes

Additionally I could see them offering an advanced dock later on in its life with an external CPU and GPU, or just a GPGPU, using Thunderbolt type interface in place of a 'Pro' model, it would appeal to the same target audience gan dabht, but I don't know if this is even feasible
 
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ZachyCatGames said:
Current hardware just has encrypted data on the card, everything goes through an on-board ASIC/SoC for decryption/encryption (it's that HAC-labeled chip on the part of the board that sticks out next to the fan on side A).
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Interesting. Macronix's documentation for XtraROM includes putting DRM on the ASIC, but perhaps that's a feature only the arcade machine version uses
 
Tentacle-tropes said:
I’d think that would be an awful idea & actively hamper consumer adoption of the system since they are diluting stock & wasting manufacturing lines trying to cater to everyone. It would also make selling later models harder later on; are people really gonna get excited for a revised Lite model.

I think Nintendo should stick with one sku at launch. Keep it simple. If people are that enamored with the OLED they’ll have to wait if that is Nintendo’s plan going forward.
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Oh I agree, Nintendo has always been a company that, at least to start with, likes to have one defined unit that is the same for everyone so everyone has the same device and performance across the board.
 
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bmfrosty said:
With the idea of 3D and for cartridges, what's the chance of including a small ROM or other chip on the cartridge to handle some drm or encryption functions?
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Macronix's XtraROM page on their website strongly suggests Switch carts are already using the ASIC (aka, customized) form of the tech. Not sure what exactly it does, but that's probably somehow involved in how the memory chips talk to the controller.
justanotherperson said:
I'm a little bit scared that, with the possibility of 512GB (edit: and 3D NAND/higher capacity catridges), it might mean that Nintendo's approach to fast load times might be using that technique that basically duplicates assets to make them load faster (I think CoD uses it) and the storage type might just be a faster-than average SD Card.
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That is a technique for mitigating seek times. It doesn't have anywhere near as big an effect on solid state memory, like SD cards.
 
lexony said:
Personally I‘d like that even the Switch was smaller. Like about the size of the Switch Lite but with a 6" screen.
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I'd say there's a non-zero chance they'll make a Switch 2 Lite along those lines.

IMO the weird issue with the Switch Lite is Nintendo's apparent belief that it's handheld ONLY and shouldn't be used for tabletop mode. If it had a kickstand, people who are okay with the size would just be able to get a cheaper mini-Switch and come in below the price of the $300 Switch SKU even if they buy a pair of Joy-cons to go with it.
 
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There's no way nintendo went in designing the Switch 2 wanting it to have a screen so big, so I have to assume that they picked the screen size due to the necessity of making the thing bigger than the switch. So assuming nintendo goes with a bigger battery and 8nm, what kind of performance would T239 likely do if handheld was 10-15W and Docked 20-30W?
 
TomNookYankees said:
There's no way nintendo went in designing the Switch 2 wanting it to have a screen so big, so I have to assume that they picked the screen size due to the necessity of making the thing bigger than the switch. So assuming nintendo goes with a bigger battery and 8nm, what kind of performance would T239 likely do if handheld was 10-15W and Docked 20-30W?
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The OLED's was almost an entire inch larger and this larger screen was widely lauded, I'm in my thinking that a 8" screen won't even seem all that big when compared to the width of other handhelds out there, and particularly less so with controllers detached
 
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oldpuck said:
Interesting. Macronix's documentation for XtraROM includes putting DRM on the ASIC, but perhaps that's a feature only the arcade machine version uses
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I went and did some poking around. There's logic on the cards too which has its own set of commands and is involved w/ drm as well.
It's not well documented and not overly clear what exactly is going on, there's a bunch of handshaking between the lotus3 and card, and there seems to be a bunch of crypto shit on both ends.
I suppose we were both half right, heh.
 
Multiverse said:
The new joy cons would have to be bigger as well. There’s no way they would design a device like that.
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I'm thinking we get a bezel around the same as the OLED model, and Joy-Con 2 with 1-2mm more width and a rounded back - enough depth to accommodate reliable sticks, almost full sized triggers (per funcle posts), and whatever a new gimmick might be.

Can't believe this is still probably > 1 year out tho.
 
NintenDuvo said:
So either im really out of the tech loop but i didnt know there was something better than SD cards until catching up on this forum lol
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They haven't exactly caught on outside of a few highly specific contexts, which is one of the sources of anxiety about what format Nintendo will use.
 
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Giancarlo said:
how much battery life can we expect for the Switch sucessor? is gonna be like Switch V1 or Switch V2/OLED in term of battey life?(i hoping for the latter, given that the console will problaby have ports of PS5, Xbox Series S/X in the future and will have upcalled 4K trough DSLL)
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In my opinion, this depends on what limits the clock frequencies of the SoC. If the heat development in docked mode is the limit, it could be more than the three hours of the Switch console from 2017, but if the battery capacity is the first limiting factor, we will see exactly the three hours we got back then. I think with such a big chip like the T239 and the efficiency curves already discussed here in the thread, it's more likely the battery capacity will be the limiting factor, but we can't know exactly yet. It will be for sure the battery capacity if they go for the Samsung 8nm process node.
 
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R&D spending increased 29.6% from 23.7B yen to 29.3B yen, compared to Q1 '23.

edit: I should also add that they don't explain the reason for the increase. The reasoning is below-

  • Selling, general, and administrative expenses (SG&A expenses) rose by 15.3% year-on-year to 95.6 billion yen, due mainly to an increase in advertising and related expenses that accompanied the increase in net sales, as well as increases in research and development expenses and a rise in foreign currency expenses due to the depreciation of the yen. On the other hand, the ratio of SG&A expenses to sales decreased by 6.3 percentage points to 20.7%, due to the large year-on- year increase in net sales.
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