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StarTopic Future Nintendo Hardware & Technology Speculation & Discussion |ST| (Read the staff posts before commenting!)

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Truno said:
After the lack of announcement of an NVIDIA product using T239 today, I can understand why some people are now hopeful for a 2023 launch.
However, after Digital Foundries comments, Mochizuki's backing of those comments, and NateDrake's claims of "hardware for H1 of 2023 being cancelled", I cannot remain on the 2023 train anymore.

There's literally no one corroborating these rumors. The author of the articles related to devkits for Nintendo hardware that we've been using as supporting argument for an imminent release is quite literally saying that those reports are now obsolete. The only insider that was active in these discussions flat out said that the hardware they've been discussing has been cancelled. The group that correctly reported on Switch rumors prior to release and covered the OLED situation flawlessly have stated that they've heard nothing about a 2023 release. And yet, it seems that T239's client is only Nintendo? The evidence that we have points towards T239 being done and about to start production. How the hell has no one heard anything?

I really hope we get a piece of investigative journalism on this whole Switch 2/Pro timeline once the next console is actually out. The developments have been so bizarre
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Here's a question for you. Not trying to force you to believe anything one way or the other:

If we forget all rumors, everything from any journalist on the subject, what are we left with? We're left with leaked data from an illegal hack that Nvidia confirmed was real, and publicly accessible information from the Linux kernel.

All of the information we can glean from those sources suggests that a chip for a Nintendo product has been completed and likely produced physically, at least for samples, as of April 2022. People with experience following chip development say that you likely aren't going to be waiting 2 years from when samples were produced for the chip to be in a released product.

So again, if you ignore every rumor on the subject the actual hard, verified data heavily suggests a 2023 launch.
 
Stinky Horse said:
As it mentions Rapidus I'm guessing they mean someone from IBM. IBM being the only major company to make a custom cpu for Nintendo. Doubtful that their presence is anything more than being because of Rapidus though.
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The rapidus line seems to be a throwaway joke suggesting it's just a random courier, I don't think it means anything else.
 
jikky said:
SoC の PCIe レーンとビデオ信号出力は異なるため、関係ありません。
USB-C は、SoC に PCIe レーンがなくても (スマートフォンのように) ビデオ信号を送信できます。
USB-C には高速 4 レーンの信号ライン (および USB2.0 用の独立した低速ライン) があります。
データとビデオを切り替えます。

ただし、USB 3.x データラインとビデオ信号を同時に使用すると、ビデオ信号が半分になります。
DP1.4 フルスピード最大 4K 120Hz、8bitSDR YUV444 または 10bitHDR YUV422
DP1.4 Half Speed 最大 4K 60Hz、8bitSDR YUV444 または 10bit HDR YUV422
おそらく.

しかし、DP1.4にはDSCという映像圧縮技術があり、
したがって、ドックでサポートされて復元されている場合、Half Speed は問題になりません。
もちろん、DP2.0 では DSC は必要ありません。

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
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I'm sorry, I was in a hurry, so I accidentally posted machine translated Japanese.
Because I am Japanese, I type first in English and then machine translate into Japanese to check and correct it.
 
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fwd-bwd said:
Warning: unverified rumor



Secondary source: https://m.weibo.cn/status/MmKzK0J2L
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I don't know if it is related, but there is an article about an IBM senior vice-president visited Japan for Rapidus.
IBM provided CPUs for Nintendo game consoles in the past.
*Rapidus is a Japanese company that plans to manufacture advanced semiconductors.

Here is the article in Japanese.
pc.watch.impress.co.jp

IBMとRapidusが、日本で2nmの最先端半導体を製造するに至った背景と目標

　IBMとRapidusは、戦略的パートナーシップを締結し、12月13日、都内で記者会見を行なった。IBMの2nmノード技術の開発を共同で推進し、2020年代後半には、Rapidusが建設する日本国内の製造拠点に導入し、量産を開始することになる。
pc.watch.impress.co.jp pc.watch.impress.co.jp
December 13, 2022
 
Skittzo said:
The rapidus line seems to be a throwaway joke suggesting it's just a random courier, I don't think it means anything else.
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A Japanese tech journalist making a joke about US courier firm limited to the west of the USA?

I meant this Rapidus:
newsroom.ibm.com

IBM and Rapidus Form Strategic Partnership to Build Advanced Semiconductor Technology and Ecosystem in Japan

IBM and Rapidus announced a joint development partnership to advance logic scaling technology as part of Japan's initiatives to become a global leader in semiconductor research, development, and manufacturing.
newsroom.ibm.com newsroom.ibm.com
 
Stinky Horse said:
A Japanese tech journalist making a joke about US courier firm limited to the west of the USA?

I meant this Rapidus:
newsroom.ibm.com

IBM and Rapidus Form Strategic Partnership to Build Advanced Semiconductor Technology and Ecosystem in Japan

IBM and Rapidus announced a joint development partnership to advance logic scaling technology as part of Japan's initiatives to become a global leader in semiconductor research, development, and manufacturing.
newsroom.ibm.com newsroom.ibm.com
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Oh I had just googled rapidus and the first dozen results suggested it was a global shipping company. Must not have been global as I thought, my bad

Anyway, the "laughs" still implies it's a joke but yeah I have no idea what the context of the joke is.
 
I renowned tech journalist is saying that based on people he's seen he thinks Nintendo might be producing hardware this year. He also says it might be nothing or not release in 2023 so as always it doesn't tell much on the timing, if it's substantial at all.
 
Truno said:
I'm completely writing off H1, and I doubt Nintendo has any intention of hurting Switch's holiday sales. As of now, I'm expecting 2024
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Launching a successor doesn't mean that hardware sales for current hardware automatically go to 0 lol. If Nintendo wants the OG Switch to sell well during the Holidays they can reduce the price, bundle, introduce cheaper software etc. The only way OG Switch sales go extremely low is if Nintendo does not produce it or does nothing to make it attractive.

I don't get this desire to ride the OG Switch into oblivion before launching a successor. This is a bad way to optimize profits. If Nintendo immediately sunsets the OG Seitch in favour of the Switch 2 I will also call that a bad practice. You want your new product riding high and turning the profit corner as your old product is reaching end of life. You don't want sharp partitions. What Sony did with the PS4 to PS5 transition is the wrong approach.
 
Skittzo said:
So again, if you ignore every rumor on the subject the actual hard, verified data heavily suggests a 2023 launch.
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I agree with this. However, the thing that continues to baffle me is how nobody can corroborate it. If it's launching soon, why hasn't Kopite teased more about it? Why have no journalists (i.e Bloomberg) heard anything? Why are active insiders claiming that hardware slated for a 2023 release has been canceled?

I propose a counter-question: if we didn't have the illegal hack of NVIDIA's DLSS source code, and all we had available were the comments that I previously mentioned, when do you think this machine would release?
 
IBM? that Wii U 2.0 is shaping up nicely.

Context:
Multiverse said:
The Wii U did not have a big game launch with it namely Zelda. It also came out a tad too late. The Wii was also late to HD. At first it was all fine and dandy, but as time went on, it was a sticking point in the conversation for the general public. To the point where the name and brand became sour. The Wii U adopting the Wii name was a mistake because of that reason, and the confusing name (U) whether it’s a sequel or an add-on compound the problems. I’m sensing the same pattern again thats all I’m saying.

The Switch name hasn’t soured…yet but idk if that will last considering the performance conversations recently which is mirroring the exact narrative the Wii went through lol when the industry finally fully shifted to HD.
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Truno said:
I agree with this. However, the thing that continues to baffle me is how nobody can corroborate it. If it's launching soon, why hasn't Kopite teased more about it? Why have no journalists (i.e Bloomberg) heard anything? Why are active insiders claiming that hardware slated for a 2023 release has been canceled?

I propose a counter-question: if we didn't have the illegal hack of NVIDIA's DLSS source code, and all we had available were the comments that I previously mentioned, when do you think this machine would release?
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I dont know if that really changes the launch question really.

We still learned that T239 was for Nintendo by kopites tweet in summer of 21.

And we would still know about T239s Linux commits.
 
Truno said:
I agree with this. However, the thing that continues to baffle me is how nobody can corroborate it. If it's launching soon, why hasn't Kopite teased more about it? Why have no journalists (i.e Bloomberg) heard anything? Why are active insiders claiming that hardware slated for a 2023 release has been canceled?

I propose a counter-question: if we didn't have the illegal hack of NVIDIA's DLSS source code, and all we had available were the comments that I previously mentioned, when do you think this machine would release?
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We'd still know about it from Kopite as Hermii says, but we'd know much, much less of course. I do agree that we'd probably be much less certain of 2023 in that case, but it isn't the case.

The funny thing here is that IF the hacked Nvidia info was fake, that would actually answer a ton of questions, like die size, power draw, launch timing, talk of a revision, etc. But I'm pretty sure it's nearly impossible if not outright impossible that that info is fake.
 
Skittzo said:
We'd still know about it from Kopite as Hermii says, but we'd know much, much less of course. I do agree that we'd probably be much less certain of 2023 in that case, but it isn't the case.

The funny thing here is that IF the hacked Nvidia info was fake, that would actually answer a ton of questions, like die size, power draw, launch timing, talk of a revision, etc. But I'm pretty sure it's nearly impossible if not outright impossible that that info is fake.
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It would be the most high effort fake leak ever, by far.


Edit: the Nvidia files thought us a ton more about the chip, but what indicates 2023 was not the Nvidia files. It is the linux commits.
 
Hermii said:
It would be the most high effort fake leak ever, by far.


Edit: the Nvidia files thought us a ton more about the chip, but what indicates 2023 was not the Nvidia files. It is the linux commits.
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Nah, because without the Nvidia files we wouldn't be super sure that T239 was explicitly tied to Nintendo. It would just be a random chip which Kopite said Nintendo will be using, so any Linux commits would be understandably assumed to be for a non-Nintendo product.
 
Truno said:
I agree with this. However, the thing that continues to baffle me is how nobody can corroborate it. If it's launching soon, why hasn't Kopite teased more about it? Why have no journalists (i.e Bloomberg) heard anything? Why are active insiders claiming that hardware slated for a 2023 release has been canceled?

I propose a counter-question: if we didn't have the illegal hack of NVIDIA's DLSS source code, and all we had available were the comments that I previously mentioned, when do you think this machine would release?
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To be honest Kopite don't give a sh** about mobile market, so I doubt of him covering anything related to the T239
 
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Skittzo said:
Nah, because without the Nvidia files we wouldn't be super sure that T239 was explicitly tied to Nintendo. It would just be a random chip which Kopite said Nintendo will be using, so any Linux commits would be understandably assumed to be for a non-Nintendo product.
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We have been pretty sure anyway imo because:

1. Kopite explicitly said so.

2. If it's not for Nintendo, why hasn't it been announced?

3. LinkedIn profiles talking about Orin and game consoles.
 
If this latest Famitsu info is accurate, and related to Nintendo, where does that leave us on timing? At what point in the development cycle would you expect a "super VIP" from Nvidia (again, if it's Nintendo I'm assuming the chip manufacturer referred to is Nvidia, but more knowledgeable people can opine if that need not be the case) be visiting Nintendo in Japan?
 
Hermii said:
I dont know if that really changes the launch question really.

We still learned that T239 was for Nintendo by kopites tweet in summer of 21.

And we would still know about T239s Linux commits.
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Right, but do you think that most would believe that a release was imminent (i.e in this year) without any word from any other sources, especially from Kopite himself? Last I heard, Kopite specified that he hasn't heard anything new. And every other source is claiming that nothing is coming in 2023, as the initial plan was scrapped
 
Truno said:
Right, but do you think that most would believe that a release was imminent (i.e in this year) without any word from any other sources, especially from Kopite himself? Last I heard, Kopite specified that he hasn't heard anything new. And every other source is claiming that nothing is coming in 2023, as the initial plan was scrapped
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Yea because of the Linux commits.
 
hologram said:
If this latest Famitsu info is accurate, and related to Nintendo, where does that leave us on timing? At what point in the development cycle would you expect a "super VIP" from Nvidia (again, if it's Nintendo I'm assuming the chip manufacturer referred to is Nvidia, but more knowledgeable people can opine if that need not be the case) be visiting Nintendo in Japan?
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Check if everything goes well at the beginning? Maybe no ?
 
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ILikeFeet said:
Respected analysis tells famitsu that an Nvidia rep is visiting Nintendo. The last time this happened was prior to Switch reveal. The sources are legit, the read of the situation is up in the air
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Famitsu says that this manufacturer was used in "past" Nintendo game consoles.
I think AMD and IBM fall into this category.
NVIDIA is used in "current" Nintendo game console.
 
It would have been interesting if you guys discovered IBM stuff in the leak along with this IBM travel but we got Samsung stuff plus a lot of rumours backing it so i guess its a joke.

Remember that the journalist is teasing hardware news in 2023 that may not include the shipping :p

Good catch!!
 
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ILikeFeet said:
Respected analysis tells famitsu that an Nvidia rep is visiting Nintendo. The last time this happened was prior to Switch reveal. The sources are legit, the read of the situation is up in the air
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I wonder if Jensen Huwang actually visited the Nintendo headquarters.

Something something leather jacket.
 
ILikeFeet said:
Respected analysis tells famitsu that an Nvidia rep is visiting Nintendo. The last time this happened was prior to Switch reveal. The sources are legit, the read of the situation is up in the air
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Question. How do we know it's a Nvidia rep? The speculation above says IBM?
 
Maybe IBM is making some component we're as yet unaware of. Do they make cameras or sensors or haptic devices for mobile products or anything like that?
 
BlueSpirit20 said:
I don't believe a word of that article.
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lol I don't know why you can't believe such a vague article that doesn't come to any conclusions and doesn't even name the person or the company. I mean, no one besides the author knows who it is and no one knows why they're there, but "this guy is in Japan for some reason or other" doesn't seem unbelievable to me.
 
hologram said:
I don't think we do, but would the source would think it was Nintendo-related if it was IBM? I wouldn't have thought so
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Could be that the source knows the VIP is going to Kyoto or something? Rapidus is located in Tokyo, so the assumption wouldn't be Rapidus.

I dunno, just spitballing.
 
By the by, Nintendo worked with NVidia in the past for the 3DS and it didn’t pan out.


That said, I don’t believe this article and I feel like this is jumping to conclusion: the thread

Right now.

Let’s wait a bit to see how things develop. It could be for something completely unrelated.
 
Hermii said:
In my headcanon the super VIP is Jensen. I don't care if you all disagree.
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I agree - and it's pretty clear anyway the article is referring to Nvidia. It would be interesting to find out if there were mentions of Jensen visiting back in 2016 (I assume) to corroborate.

Dekuman said:
Rapidus was mentioned. I did see it in the Google.auto translate as well. There's a discussion as well that it's some inside joke in Japan about IBM or a delivery service. I don't really know
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Rapidus is a Japanese semiconductor manufacturer recently established. The "joke" at the end is that maybe this VIP was not in Japan for Nintendo but for some other kind of business with them instead. Don't know why IBM was even mentioned as it wouldn't make sense in the context.
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
That said, I don’t believe this article and I feel like this is jumping to conclusion: the thread
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You don't believe the (relatively vague) claim in the article? Or you don't believe the conclusion we're drawing?

The latter is a perfectly reasonable thing to doubt, it's far from a sure bet. Maybe they're not talking about Nvidia. Or maybe the super VIP isn't there to see Nintendo. Or maybe they are, but in an unrelated capacity.

That said, I still think the most likely possibility is that they are talking about an Nvidia rep and the rep is visiting Nintendo to talk about Drake. But yes, we shouldn't assume this is a lock by any means
 
ReddDreadtheLead said:
By the by, Nintendo worked with NVidia in the past for the 3DS and it didn’t pan out.


That said, I don’t believe this article and I feel like this is jumping to conclusion: the thread

Right now.

Let’s wait a bit to see how things develop. It could be for something completely unrelated.
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Seems to be the kind of source that rarely gets the facts wrong. I'm not sure why people are having trouble believing an exec from a US company is coming to Japan, that's the fact presented.

The idea that they're going to Nintendo seems to be presented as conjecture, so that's not something you need to take at face value.
 
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