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Pre-Release Pokémon Scarlet and Violet — Pre-release Discussion Thread (UPDATE: new trailer, see threadmarks)

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Yeah I dunno, I know Pokémon gens are on a 3 year cycle now (they should really go back to 4) but Arceus just came out, this just seems like a lot so soon. The lack of a concrete release date makes me wonder if there will be a delay.

Not a big fan of the starters either, look kind of like fakemon. Duck is cute though.
 
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Lord Azrael said:
Didn't even watch the trailer, as soon as I saw the Fami headlines I went on media blackout. All images and embeds blocked, both on desktop and phone. Well I don't mind reading stuff about the games for now, but maybe I'll phase that out too eventually

This announcement basically confirms to me that Arceus was originally supposed to be the 2021 holiday title, got delayed and BDSP were outsourced to fill in the gap
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Not even remotely feasible. This has always been a crazy conspiracy theory. They would have to have known years in advance that arceus would be two months late finishing development to make that a possible line of events in any sense of the word.

They would also have had to make the explicit decision to not make any remakes on switch, in your version of events, which, yeah, not likely
 
Wow, very unexpected. Trailer looks rough but so did the trailer from Arceus and I ended up liking the game.

It feels like it wasn't so long ago that Sword/Shield released which I never completed. I'm not convinced by this game yet because it's so soon after Arceus too and I would have rather seen the trailer at a different stage of development but they have my attention.

Will wait for more, starters to me already feel more interesting than Sword/Shield starters but that's a personal thing.
 
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I'm cautiously excited for these. Seeing a tentative 2022 release plus similar presentation as PLA smh makes me feel uneasy about how open the new region would be and how GF would reconcile those with the gym system (assuming it is still in the games).
 
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If this integrates the best parts of Arceus into the core formula, then it will be an absolute winner.

It's crazy to think that if that's indeed the case, we are basically getting the game we were hoping we would get a couple of years from now within a few months. I wonder how much integration there was between the Arceus team and the one doing these games. Here's hoping it was a lot.
 
Comic Obsessed said:
What hardware limitations? BOTW, a launch game that ran even on weaker hardware looks better than Arceus!
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And as always, call me when BOTW has remotely the number of unique enemy designs and animations and such designs that everyone expects a Pokémon game to have.

You can have detailed designs or hundreds of them, pick one.

If people would be ok with a Pokémon game with like fifty Pokémon total, well, then maybe it'll start looking like BOTW.
 
Linkstrikesback said:
And as always, call me when BOTW has remotely the number of unique enemy designs and animations and such designs that everyone expects a Pokémon game to have.

You can have detailed designs or hundreds of them, pick one.

If people would be ok with a Pokémon game with like fifty Pokémon total, well, then maybe it'll start looking like BOTW.
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Sure, if you want to nitpick that then let's talk about how XC2, a game from the launch year and has a great variety of enemies, looks better than Arceus then.

Hell, XC2 looks insanely better than Arceus so makes things even more ridiculous.
 
I gotta say. People saying Fakemon is one of the dumbest things.

It’s a game where they’re reaching 1000. Had the originals Gen 1 come out now, y’all be saying fakemon too. Fakemon just sounds like a way to critique without putting any efforts into actually critiquing. I thought Gen 5 had some of the worst starters reveals and I didn’t ever think of them as Fakemons. Didn’t like Gen 8 eithers.

Just say they look ugly or too simple lol
 
Gen 9 will have Pokemon #1000. It's probably going to be something really special.

So it's obviously going to be a Luvdisc evolution.
 
Linkstrikesback said:
Not even remotely feasible. This has always been a crazy conspiracy theory. They would have to have known years in advance that arceus would be two months late finishing development to make that a possible line of events in any sense of the word.

They would also have had to make the explicit decision to not make any remakes on switch, in your version of events, which, yeah, not likely
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Not remotely infeasible at all. If they knew a year ahead of time, that's enough time to outsource a bare bones remake like BDSP. And considering how rushed and broken the game is relatively speaking, I have no problem believing it was developed in a year or less. It's really not impossible at all for them to have planned for this, considering we're in the middle of a... global pandemic and all. Doesn't take a genius to predict release schedules might get impacted and build in a backup plan.

It also seems likely to me that Arceus was supposed to take the place of traditional remakes. They might've not thought it sustainable to keep bringing old games up to modern standards, now that those modern standards are more advanced and taxing on Game Freak than ever. Arceus is a pretty empty world after all, I doubt they could balance a fully developed 3D region in a remake alongside new generations going forward. They could've also just gotten bored with their old model, who knows. I didn't watch the gen 9 trailer but it sounds like Arceus is the stepping stone for the franchise's direction going forward.
 
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Quick impressions:

-This looks technically more impressive than Arceus, to a degree that makes me wonder if this has actually already had more development time; perhaps this started simultaneously, or even first?

-My main concern with gen 9 coming this year was that it wouldn't factor in the overwhelming reception to Arceus. That is clearly not an issue.

-This replaces any desire I had for Arceus DLC

Brock Reiher said:
Yup, people (including myself) shat on arceus before launch and it ended up being possibly the best looking game on the system.
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I think Arceus looks pretty good and did from the start, but best game on the system? Bruh
Kano said:
People are tripping. This looks GREAT. Also won't run at 360p like Xenoblade 3 will in handheld.
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Xenoblade 2 doesn't dip quite that low in handheld*, and what I'm seeing from Xenoblade 3 leads me to believe it could render at a higher resolution.

*I'm splitting hairs; it goes down to 378p. But I genuinely have higher hopes for 3.
Comic Obsessed said:
What hardware limitations? BOTW, a launch game that ran even on weaker hardware looks better than Arceus!
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So does this. Like, noticably.
 
I think it looks good, or let's say appealing enough, if a switch Pro is releasing this year this could look great even

The quality of the game is what's worrying, being Open World could mean GF is ready to let loose from holding players hand and making the game braindead again, but that's a bit too high of an expectation to have for them
 
DecoReturns said:
I gotta say. People saying Fakemon is one of the dumbest things.

It’s a game where they’re reaching 1000. Had the originals Gen 1 come out now, y’all be saying fakemon too. Fakemon just sounds like a way to critique without putting any efforts into actually critiquing. I thought Gen 5 had some of the worst starters reveals and I didn’t ever think of them as Fakemons. Didn’t like Gen 8 eithers.

Just say they look ugly or too simple lol
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I don’t think they look bad, but something about the coloring looks weird to me, that’s why I said fakemon. Maybe they’ll look better when we get cleaner versions of their art. It’s not a capital insult lol

That said I really really hope the starters are not monotype this time.
 
Formula Zero said:
I think it looks good, or let's say appealing enough, if a switch Pro is releasing this year this could look great even

The quality of the game is what's worrying, being Open World could mean GF is ready to let loose from holding players hand and making the game braindead again, but that's a bit too high of an expectation to have for them
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It would've been too high of an expectation if Arceus hadn't just done that

Maybe that game is making me too positive about Pokémon but I'm feeling pretty good about this one
 
The starters look at least to me a lot better on the official art than they did on the trailer especially the grass one (fire one still my fav though)
 
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NabiscoFelt said:
It would've been too high of an expectation if Arceus hadn't just done that

Maybe that game is making me too positive about Pokémon but I'm feeling pretty good about this one
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Well releasing Gen 9 soon after Arceus show that Arceus was just to test the waters and GF wasn't that confident in the game

I think this being Open World have more to do with the Wild Area being successful rather than Arceus being successful
 
Oh - and the sentiment that this is too soon to actually be good feels like the Pokemon Legends Arceus reveal and then release date announcement all over again. We know way less about the game - including the development timeline - then y'all are acting like.
 
Aleh said:
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In terms of art style, I also find Gen 9 more cohesive than PLA, especially the skybox and all the biome textures. Also it would be bonker if we have seamless transition between routes and towns/cities (or at least the major ones like in the screenshot).
 
Formula Zero said:
The quality of the game is what's worrying, being Open World could mean GF is ready to let loose from holding players hand and making the game braindead again, but that's a bit too high of an expectation to have for them
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Hello, may I share with you the word of our Lord and Savior Arceus
 
Mercury_Sagit said:
In terms of art style, I also find Gen 9 more cohesive than PLA, especially the skybox and all the biome textures. Also it would be bonker if we have seamless transition between routes and towns/cities (or at least the major ones line in the screenshot).
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They are seamless! They officially confirmed it’s open world with cities blended seamlessly into nature
 
I hope Game Freak doesnt use the battle mechanics of PLA in this game because they frankly were horrible (especially the damage formula) it worked for PLA but in a more classic Pokemon game it would make the battle system and PvP broken
 
It will be interesting to see how open the pre-release info are this time around. I am expecting it to be like Generation 8 where it's the most secretive it's ever been, though it might have been somewhat in between like Generation 6 would be.

Leaks will be another thing: there was practically only one leak in Sword/Shield with accurate information, and technically two in Arceus (one before the reveal, and one with the riddler info).

Thank you for reading.
 
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zumaddy said:
You are correct, what I meant by last four was BDSP/SWSH/Let's Go and USUM (which is the least offensive of the four but had no right being two versions alongside other issues).

Again, I liked PLA despite being concerned during its first trailer, hopefully the same thing happens with this game.
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Ah I’m not no counting remakes. Although I’m currently almost done with Let’s Go and I’m actually loving it so far. The music and art style and the spirit of the first game. And while controversial, I like the catching mechanic cause random battles in the old games free thin on me so much.
 
Man, I would love for once a Pokémon game gets announced and the conversation doesn’t immediately devolve into how it’s rushed, looks bad, etc. Pokemon games always look fine, never graphical powerhouses, but people always have this weird expectation that the next game is gonna look amazing and it just never does. It’s just not the series for that.

I also wonder, is there any actual proof that GameFreak has a lot or crunch or that Nintendo is setting aggressive deadlines? Something that gets repeated a lot is how these games are rushed and if GameFreak had more time it would be a much different and better product. I dunno, maybe they just don’t want to do that? It could be kind of freeing to not have a 5 year development cycle bogged down with creating a massive open world game with AAA graphics. Everyone assumes if GF had more time that they would create the perfect Pokémon game for them personally, but maybe this is what GF wants to make. I’m not a game dev, I’m just a regular dev, but personally I find it a lot more satisfying to do quick iterations on smaller projects than it is to get bogged down in some massive multi year project.
 
My issues with SwSh had more to do with the level design than the visuals, so seeing it taking from Arceus in that regard is pretty exciting. It also does look better than SwSh and Arceus, which weren't pretty games, but I think they are improving in that regard even if it's slower than people were hoping for. Honestly, at this point I just want a graphically impressive (for Switch) Pokémon game because I'm tired of that topic dominating the discussion around this series. I did agree with a lot of the complaints before SwSh released, and I think it is reasonable to want better visuals from these games, but I'm kind of over it now that they're clearly making an effort to change up the formula.

I don't expect it to feel as novel for the series as Arceus does, but incorporating the region design of Arceus into a traditional game with gyms, and expanding upon it is the direction I was hoping this series would go. I'm going with the grass kitten for my starter.

Also, I really hope BotW2 is next year. There's no chance I'll have enough time for XC3, Pokémon, and BotW2 in the span of a few months.
 
Fire starter is great.

There are a lot of improvements that can be made from Sword/Shield. My biggest hope is that the open world feels much more "designed" than the Wild Area did, especially with Pokemon distribution. The trailer is a little bit promising in this regard, so hopefully there will be a nice improvement here. Arceus probably already improved on this a lot anyway, but I haven't played it yet so I can't really say for sure.

Other gameplay-specific issues that Sword/Shield had will be a wait and see thing for when we get more details.
 
TheDok said:
Graphics look very bad still. Hope the gameplay is a return to form and undoes all the bad decisions of the modern (Gen 6+) games (lack of post-game content, handholding, route simplification, lack of dungeons, bad stories, etc.)
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Very bad? Really?
 
Well I was not expecting a new gen this soon; 2023 seemed the perfect time for it. Very interesting indeed. I hope GameFreak haven't stretched themselves to thin here, but I guess the franchise needs to keep those profits churning. As long as they borrow a lot from Arceus we should be good, but given everything else that's releasing this year I won't be in a massive rush to play this. Maybe after Christmas.

And I think we can officially say that Nintendo do not need BOTW2 for this holiday season now. But if they do release it at the same time as this...hooooooo boy that's a lot of money coming in
 
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I know I should avoid Pokémon discourse on the internet because every time I feel fucking insane

this is a “holy shit looks good I’m so stoked that it’s coming this year” for me

so many assumptions about team makeup and dev schedules and shit like what counts as “unfinished” and “bad” in previous games like ??? I don’t even understand

like… you wanting something different doesn’t make Sword & Shield bad at what it was doing. I fucking loved it tbh, I can understand why people didn’t like some of the choices but they were choices

there are always gonna be choices when they develop these games

like what is it people want?? I don’t understand?? I don’t understand!! like what do you need to mod Elden Ring to catch shit in??? why do I feel so much more fucking insane reading about Pokémon than I even feel railing against and screaming about the state of the fucking world???? what is happening and why is this bothering me so much????????

so yeah uh please disregard, I’m just gonna tap out and y’all enjoy the discourse

it’s totally spain

wtf was happening in that live action intro though I’m v confused about escalator cop

oh god oh no I like discussing it

I’m gonna be subject to these takes forever

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!
 
Jersh said:
Oh - and the sentiment that this is too soon to actually be good feels like the Pokemon Legends Arceus reveal and then release date announcement all over again. We know way less about the game - including the development timeline - then y'all are acting like.
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For me it’s less about the quality but more like… I wish they just let the games stand out on their own for a little bit. Potentially 3 Pokemon games in a year is a lot! It would be nice to be able to savor them a bit more.

Anyway, this is gonna be the first Water starter since Piplup that I choose, final forms pending.

enempi said:
Man, I would love for once a Pokémon game gets announced and the conversation doesn’t immediately devolve into how it’s rushed, looks bad, etc. Pokemon games always look fine, never graphical powerhouses, but people always have this weird expectation that the next game is gonna look amazing and it just never does. It’s just not the series for that.

I also wonder, is there any actual proof that GameFreak has a lot or crunch or that Nintendo is setting aggressive deadlines? Something that gets repeated a lot is how these games are rushed and if GameFreak had more time it would be a much different and better product. I dunno, maybe they just don’t want to do that? It could be kind of freeing to not have a 5 year development cycle bogged down with creating a massive open world game with AAA graphics. Everyone assumes if GF had more time that they would create the perfect Pokémon game for them personally, but maybe this is what GF wants to make. I’m not a game dev, I’m just a regular dev, but personally I find it a lot more satisfying to do quick iterations on smaller projects than it is to get bogged down in some massive multi year project.
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Nintendo doesn’t set deadlines, TPC/GameFreak does. And new gens are synchronized with merchandise lines so that affects it as well.
 
enempi said:
Something that gets repeated a lot is how these games are rushed and if GameFreak had more time it would be a much different and better product. I dunno, maybe they just don’t want to do that?
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Would be very sad if that’s the case. Why have any ambition at all..?
 
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