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StarTopic Nintendo Direct Speculation |ST7| It’s Showtime People! Famiboards Productions Proudly Presents: What Lies Beyond The Door? Act II - Rebirth

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Here’s how nintendo can still save 2024:

1) announce the GameCube & Gameboy Advance will re-enter production
2) redirect all development resources to more GameCube and Gameboy Advance games
3) cancel the switch 2

If Sony does the same with the PS2 we can save the games industry
 
Ylork said:
So you think there'll be a Partner Showcase and a real Direct (General or Mini) later on after Switch 2 is revealed? :)
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I know I'm really late to respond to this (with so much news having happened HAHHA)!! I honestly think this is more likely now in general now haha! I do think there's probably still a Partner Showcase next week to fulfill deals they made last year. However, I do think they might've made the decision for the console decision around the same time or early this year and so, I am expecting that they are also working on a Direct with first-party announcements now! I could honestly see it happening in the near future! :)
 
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Partner Showcase next week, twitterdrop for TTYD HD in May and LM2HD in June, no E3-sized direct, nothing dated for July. Let my expectations be set and rip off the band aid with all the arm hair attached, pls

Pokemon save us
 
Beelzemontheworld said:
Here’s how nintendo can still save 2024:

1) announce the GameCube & Gameboy Advance will re-enter production
2) redirect all development resources to more GameCube and Gameboy Advance games
3) cancel the switch 2

If Sony does the same with the PS2 we can save the games industry
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This but unironically
 
Brofield said:
Partner Showcase next week, twitterdrop for TTYD HD in May and LM2HD in June, no E3-sized direct, nothing dated for July. Let my expectations be set and rip off the band aid with all the arm hair attached, pls

Pokemon save us
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Pokemon is also just gonna be remakes.
 
SofyTrancy said:
If Switch2 really releases in 2025, then I don’t understand this Feb situation.
They should have done a general as always at this point…
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This is part of why I have trouble believing all of this. This suggests that Nintendo has so little software for the console that they are delaying it... Which I assume means they don't magically have software for the rest of the year either?

So that would mean Nintendo's whole year is bust basically.
 
nitroplum said:
This is part of why I have trouble believing all of this. This suggests that Nintendo has so little software for the console that they are delaying it... Which I assume means they don't magically have software for the rest of the year either?

So that would mean Nintendo's whole year is bust basically.
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Yeah I don't really get this either, they skipped the February General which implies they don't have much to show to make a general worth it, so if the Switch 2 has been delayed till next year can we really expect anything first party that hasn't been announced yet to come to Switch this year?
 
SofyTrancy said:
If Switch2 really releases in 2025, then I don’t understand this Feb situation.
They should have done a general as always at this point…
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nitroplum said:
This is part of why I have trouble believing all of this. This suggests that Nintendo has so little software for the console that they are delaying it... Which I assume means they don't magically have software for the rest of the year either?

So that would mean Nintendo's whole year is bust basically.
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My guess is that Nintendo was planning on the Switch 2 coming out this fall so they only developed enough Switch software until that point and was going to transition into Switch 2 software releases but since Switch 2 got delayed into next year, there is just an empty void of basically no games beyond what has already been announced. Of course I hope I'm wrong and Nintendo still has at least a few surprises left this year in store for the old ass Switch we can't move on from lol.
 
Kevin said:
My guess is that Nintendo was planning on the Switch 2 coming out this fall so they only developed enough Switch software until that point and was going to transition into Switch 2 software releases but since Switch 2 got delayed into next year, there is just an empty void of basically no games beyond what has already been announced. Of course I hope I'm wrong and Nintendo still has at least a few surprises left this year in store for the old ass Switch we can't move on from lol.
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If that's true it's a major blunder on their part, surely they would be smart enough to keep stuff available in the event of a delay.
 
prizna said:
If that's true it's a major blunder on their part, surely they would be smart enough to keep stuff available in the event of a delay.
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Hard to say but at this rate there is no first party Direct happening. They could do some random Twitter drops but who knows. I certainly hope they have more planned for Switch then we have left in the tank because the barrel has certainly been bottomed.
 
Kevin said:
Hard to say but at this rate there is no first party Direct happening. They could do some random Twitter drops but who knows. I certainly hope they have more planned for Switch then we have left in the tank because the barrel has certainly been bottomed.
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Well maybe we'll finally get that WW/TP HD release. People were saying they may hold onto it to show it off for switch 2, but if there was a delay, this seems like the kind of game they'd bring forward to fill the void.
 
prizna said:
Yeah I don't really get this either, they skipped the February General which implies they don't have much to show to make a general worth it, so if the Switch 2 has been delayed till next year can we really expect anything first party that hasn't been announced yet to come to Switch this year?
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If there's nothing announced sort of March/April time then yeah I'd suggest there is nothing major coming this year and probably only a couple things past whenever Luigis Mansion and Paper Mario launch much like the 2018 schedule where there were a few games (mainly remasters, Labo, a Mario Sport spin off and a new 2D Kirby) up til June (which lines up with this years schedule) and then basically nothing til Pokemon and Smash in November and December. So that sets my expectations for 2024 at this point.
 
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If Nintendo was in danger of running out of games, I think they would sit on Side Order longer.

The behind the scenes stuff sounded like the Switch 2 reveal would be pretty substantial in March. I’m not sure I subscribe to this exactly, but I wonder if perhaps they had the strategy of splitting up big batches of game announcements they had between now, March, and say April or May, before another presentation in June/July. That wouldn’t necessarily explain how Side Order and Peach were handled though unless the big shakeups really were a last minute “Nope, we tried, but we just can’t guarantee November, so we need to push it back.”

Regardless, even if this event is more low key and a March Switch 2 reveal, if it still happens, is more low key, I just don’t think we’ll have to wait too long to hear about what’s going on this year. I could see another presentation in April to explain the revised year better because if we are in shoot dramatic change mode they need to suddenly make this year seem appealing still quickly.
 
xghost777 said:
If Nintendo was in danger of running out of games, I think they would sit on Side Order longer.

The behind the scenes stuff sounded like the Switch 2 reveal would be pretty substantial in March. I’m not sure I subscribe to this exactly, but I wonder if perhaps they had the strategy of splitting up big batches of game announcements they had between now, March, and say April or May, before another presentation in June/July. That wouldn’t necessarily explain how Side Order and Peach were handled though unless the big shakeups really were a last minute “Nope, we tried, but we just can’t guarantee November, so we need to push it back.”

Regardless, even if this event is more low key and a March Switch 2 reveal, if it still happens, is more low key, I just don’t think we’ll have to wait too long to hear about what’s going on this year. I could see another presentation in April to explain the revised year better because if we are in shoot dramatic change mode they need to suddenly make this year seem appealing still quickly.
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Nintendo gonna announce an emergency podcast to assure us they have more coming this year.
 
call it denial, but it feels like things don't quite add up

We hear all the time about how Nintendo's pipeline is such that they'll often sit on finished games, that they currently are sitting on multiple finished games. And there's several big teams like the 3D Mario team and Mario Kart team that should have been getting things ready for a console launch for some time now. All the rumors were they're skipping their usual Feb general direct in favor of a partner so that they can announce Switch 2 for this year and start marketing crossgen/next-gen games for it ...


And then today we hear from virtually everybody that the Switch 2 has been delayed just weeks before the planned announcement because the software just isn't there yet, and that they're also looking at a mostly-empty 2024? I don't have a good explanation or compelling alternative, but the vibe around this just feels hella weird
 
BlackthornOrion said:
call it denial, but it feels like things don't quite add up

We hear all the time about how Nintendo's pipeline is such that they'll often sit on finished games, that they currently are sitting on multiple finished games. And there's several big teams like the 3D Mario team and Mario Kart team that should have been getting things ready for a console launch for some time now. All the rumors were they're skipping their usual Feb general direct in favor of a partner so that they can announce Switch 2 for this year and start marketing crossgen/next-gen games for it ...


And then today we hear from virtually everybody that the Switch 2 has been delayed just weeks before the planned announcement because the software just isn't there yet, and that they're also looking at a mostly-empty 2024? I don't have a good explanation or compelling alternative, but the vibe around this just feels hella weird
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Yeah I have the exact same feeling. Nothing fits. If the explanation made sense I would accept it more readily but it simply doesn't. I just get very suspicious vibes from this all.
 
nitroplum said:
Yeah I have the exact same feeling. Nothing fits. If the explanation made sense I would accept it more readily but it simply doesn't. I just get very suspicious vibes from this all.
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All I can think is that maybe the original plan was February Partner Direct, then in March some joint General/Switch 2 reveal mentioning backwards compatibility to make people comfortable buying the games even tho a new console was just announced, and now with the delay we will get just the General portion in March.
 
BlackthornOrion said:
call it denial, but it feels like things don't quite add up

We hear all the time about how Nintendo's pipeline is such that they'll often sit on finished games, that they currently are sitting on multiple finished games. And there's several big teams like the 3D Mario team and Mario Kart team that should have been getting things ready for a console launch for some time now. All the rumors were they're skipping their usual Feb general direct in favor of a partner so that they can announce Switch 2 for this year and start marketing crossgen/next-gen games for it ...


And then today we hear from virtually everybody that the Switch 2 has been delayed just weeks before the planned announcement because the software just isn't there yet, and that they're also looking at a mostly-empty 2024? I don't have a good explanation or compelling alternative, but the vibe around this just feels hella weird
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Agree, if we were in a situation like Wii U to Switch, it‘d be logical, 4 years isn‘t that much time, so they delayed it to 2017. But here they‘ve far more cash and 7-7,5 years time to prepare, while they said at Gamescom they would „launch earlier if possible“ and last week that current business situation wouldn’t influence launch timing. It‘s really weird, I hope we can get clarification in the next few days.
 
Okabe said:
So uhhh how is everyone doing ?
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I'm in a very comfy win-win situation. I have so many games in my backlog and on my eshop wishlist that I probably won't get through the bulk of them even before 2025, so a breather is actually what I've been asking for. 😅 But if 2025 ends up being misinformation and we get new hardware earlier than that, rad! We finally get to see the thing and probably fill the few remaining holes in the epic years-long Future Hardware puzzle.

Either way I'm good.

Sorry yall. 😅
 
BlackthornOrion said:
call it denial, but it feels like things don't quite add up

We hear all the time about how Nintendo's pipeline is such that they'll often sit on finished games, that they currently are sitting on multiple finished games. And there's several big teams like the 3D Mario team and Mario Kart team that should have been getting things ready for a console launch for some time now. All the rumors were they're skipping their usual Feb general direct in favor of a partner so that they can announce Switch 2 for this year and start marketing crossgen/next-gen games for it ...


And then today we hear from virtually everybody that the Switch 2 has been delayed just weeks before the planned announcement because the software just isn't there yet, and that they're also looking at a mostly-empty 2024? I don't have a good explanation or compelling alternative, but the vibe around this just feels hella weird
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I suspect the reason we suddenly heard from many sources is DICE just ended and this was being talked about in conversations there. I do think Nintendo likely has games they're sitting on (FE4 remake, for example), and it's possible they were going to have Switch games releasing into 2025 for a cross-gen period that they'll now move up to 2024 while greenlighting other small projects.

It'll be really interesting to see the launch year lineup for Switch 2 once Nintendo shows its cards. I want to know how big they're trying to make it. Hopefully the delay (if caused by software) is not a matter of troubled development and instead just ambitious plans.
 
mazi said:
lmfao. so now that every one and their grandma has reported on it, not only does he say that he also knew about it, but also has to mention that he's been aware of the news for a few days now. what a joke.
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Sorry for working a day job and not being able to tweet the moment news break & for not living on the internet. Are you going to say Bloomberg's report is also a joke because it came many hours after VGC, EG and such reported it?

And the timing is for context that the chatter of Q1 2025 started several days ago. It's not meant as a "I've known this" type of way. Amazingly, it can take some time to check with sources and make sure the chatter had some sort of foundation.
 
xghost777 said:
If Nintendo was in danger of running out of games, I think they would sit on Side Order longer.
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I mean that's plausible but then we have also seen Sony this year say they have no major releases for the year, while still releasing The Last Of Us Part 2 Remastered, Helldivers 2, Ronin (dumped out on the same day as Dragon's Dogma 2 and Princess Peach), Stellar Blade less than a month later even with their only? big third party exclusive for the year launching in Feb and nothing else major for the rest of the year
 
Magic-Man said:
Uhh, where are we getting the idea of an empty 2024 from? I haven't seen a source for that anywhere.
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From PS and Xbox barely having games while almost every announced Nintendo game is remake, with a Partner Showcase instead of a General Direct, probably leaves a empty impression. May they‘ve lost hope, but it‘s not over yet
 
BlackthornOrion said:
call it denial, but it feels like things don't quite add up

We hear all the time about how Nintendo's pipeline is such that they'll often sit on finished games, that they currently are sitting on multiple finished games. And there's several big teams like the 3D Mario team and Mario Kart team that should have been getting things ready for a console launch for some time now. All the rumors were they're skipping their usual Feb general direct in favor of a partner so that they can announce Switch 2 for this year and start marketing crossgen/next-gen games for it ...


And then today we hear from virtually everybody that the Switch 2 has been delayed just weeks before the planned announcement because the software just isn't there yet, and that they're also looking at a mostly-empty 2024? I don't have a good explanation or compelling alternative, but the vibe around this just feels hella weird
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I can definitely see what you're saying here! In a lot of ways, I don't really feel like this delay is for the launch-launch but for the launch window - what would be after 3D Mario or between 3D Mario and Mario Kart. They probably want there to be a constant flow of first party games for the first nine to twelve months and, for whatever the reason may be, they just don't feel confident in being able to have that happen so pushing the console and the release schedule four to five months probably helps a little! I don't know if we'll ever know when this delay exactly happened internally but if it a recent one, I could see it being that they made a number of deals last year for third party games in a Direct and they presumed, based on their original plan, they could do a Partner now and have first party games shown next month, but obviously, with the reports today, that changes. I do feel like we probably are looking at some sort of Direct after the upcoming Partner Showcase that has first-party games and we'll have a clearer picture then of what the landscape is!

Also, I do feel like everyone that was hearing about the Partner Showcase and the next console being revealed next month aren't likely far off. They probably do officially say they are working on it next month to allow for them to have meetings at GDC and other events without reports constantly coming out about a console they haven't revealed yet. It's possible this and speculation related to both the console and a Partner Direct did emerge in such a way that one made the other seem more likely. :)
 
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Just to refresh my short term memory, other than Nate (who I understand is rereviewing things in the background considering yestertoday’s seismic shift), who else was particularly confident on a March blowout or similar?

Honestly considering how we were still expecting certain things that didn’t materialise in 2023, I’d be incredibly surprised that Nintendo has nothing in reserve (and it also seems inconsistent with their practices in the last few years where we have various evidence suggesting games have been ready years prior to their official release).
 
If the Switch 2 delay rumors are true, and I don't see why they wouldn't be (nobody likes negative rumors), I imagine it had to do with wanting as many system selling games in launch window as possible. In 2017 Nintendo released five games that sold 10 million copies or more. The Switch hardware isn't unique anymore, Nintendo can't sell it on that alone. The games have to be there. If one major evergreen game wasn't ready for launch window, I can see why Nintendo would choose to delay the system.

As much as it sucks, Metroid Prime 4 and Fire Emblem won't sell systems. Those could easily release on OG Switch instead and it wouldn't affect anything.
 
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So now that the Switch 2 is delayed till next year, Nintendo's gotta get on it and actually release some real games this year, yeah? Prime 2 and 3, WW + TP HD, FE4R, Princess Peach, Luigi's Mansion, Paper Mario, they can have a good year, albeit basically all remakes lmao.
 
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aus89 said:
Bloomberg article mentions a "sparse" lineup for 2024
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Last time someone said Nintendo had a sparse lineup coming we got Pikmin 4 and Mario Wonder. I ain't scared. 😎

ZaSpai said:
Just to refresh my short term memory, other than Nate (who I understand is rereviewing things in the background considering yestertoday’s seismic shift), who else was particularly confident on a March blowout or similar?
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ZaSpai said:
Honestly considering how we were still expecting certain things that didn’t materialise in 2023, I’d be incredibly surprised that Nintendo has nothing in reserve (and it also seems inconsistent with their practices in the last few years where we have various evidence suggesting games have been ready years prior to their official release).
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This is where I'm at too with first party releases this year. It does seem like they likely have a number of titles waiting to be released and, in a time where they might've not expected something like this to happen, it's the perfect time to input them in alongside maybe one of two new titles and then use these things to flesh out the year and Holiday 2024!
 
Magic-Man said:
If the Switch 2 delay rumors are true, and I don't see why they wouldn't be (nobody likes negative rumors), I imagine it had to do with wanting as many system selling games in launch window as possible. In 2017 Nintendo released five games that sold 10 million copies or more. The Switch hardware isn't unique anymore, Nintendo can't sell it on that alone. The games have to be there. If one major evergreen game wasn't ready for launch window, I can see why Nintendo would choose to delay the system.

As much as it sucks, Metroid Prime 4 and Fire Emblem won't sell systems. Those could easy release on OG Switch instead and it wouldn't affect anything.
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Yeah this Is where I am now.

A delay with a 3D Mario at launch, MK Next in november 2025 and and Array of small/hardcore and casual games in between Is what I expect now, otherwise I would be puzzled.

If they have MP4, Fire Emblem and Pokémon in the second half of 2024 Switch OG would be more than fine
 
aus89 said:
I mean that's plausible but then we have also seen Sony this year say they have no major releases for the year, while still releasing The Last Of Us Part 2 Remastered, Helldivers 2, Ronin (dumped out on the same day as Dragon's Dogma 2 and Princess Peach), Stellar Blade less than a month later even with their only? big third party exclusive for the year launching in Feb and nothing else major for the rest of the year
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Well Sony does have a bunch of games ahead they are publishing, they just don’t have dates attached beyond 2024. Where they all fit is the big question for them. Obviously we don’t know either if they are all going to make it, but yeah.

I don’t remember many of those games being for me, so I don’t have a list handy, but I think there’s like eight of them? Lost Soul Aside is allegedly finally coming out this year and I’m hyped for that at least. I played a demo of it years ago and it was rad as heck.
 
Ab said:
It's still February guys😭
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But both Nate and Pyoro now are saying Feb's Direct is a Partner. So "skipped the February General" is still the case (unless... something big changes and Pyoro gets his first L)

Meelow said:
If Nintendo hears an outcry, maybe they will have to say something (Like MS had to)
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Now I'll be looking forward to The Please Understand Podcast
 
aus89 said:
Bloomberg article mentions a "sparse" lineup for 2024
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I mean that's because so far it is a sparse lineup. We don't know what it will in the end look like though. I think it won't be great but good enough to keep us occupied until March. In the end it's only 12 months, we know about Luigi, Paper Mario and there will be a Pokemon game as always, if they have four more games of that size the lineup will be somewhat okay.
If the can keep going with a similar output to Q1 - some remakes like Fire Emblem, some B tier new games like Peach, it will be fine. Not great, but fine. And at some point in 6-9 month, we will see the Switch 2 launch lineup and it will make it look less barren. It feels really empty now because we still look a bit into a void.
 
Vyplo said:
Yeah this Is where I am now.

A delay with a 3D Mario at launch, MK Next in november 2025 and and Array of small/hardcore and casual games in between Is what I expect now, otherwise I would be puzzled.
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I expect more than that now. 3D Mario at launch, Mario Kart and Animal Crossing following shortly after. Plus something like an Ocarina of Time remake, a 2D Zelda, or a new Pokemon Legends game. Nintendo needs to come out swinging. Do or die.
 
Meelow said:
I wish these rumours didn't come out on a Friday. If Nintendo hears an outcry, maybe they will have to say something (Like MS had to), but with it coming out on Friday, we have two days where nothing will or can be said.
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lol, what outcry? also why would they respond to reactions to a delay when they hadn't officially set a date yet themselves?
 
mazi said:
lol, what outcry? also why would they respond to reactions to a delay when they hadn't officially set a date yet themselves?
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Plus there was that one tweet (not from them, but someone quoting them) where they said there's nothing to comment on. I'm sure as far as they're concerned (publicly) this is all hot air about a product that doesn't even exist.
 
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