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Guessing that'll be the September direct Gamecube shadowdrop then?He also said Metroid Prime 2 remaster is happening "relatively soon."
Guessing that'll be the September direct Gamecube shadowdrop then?He also said Metroid Prime 2 remaster is happening "relatively soon."
After the performance of the first I wonder if Nintendo may not want to shadowdrop a game which isn't even going to hit those numbers if done that way.Guessing that'll be the September direct Gamecube shadowdrop then?
I feel like over a million copies sold in just over a month is pretty good, considering that it was a digital shadow drop. Heck, the physical retail version saw so much demand that NOA had to actually release a statement promising they'd be shipping more copies. Certainly feels like expectations were met.After the performance of the first I wonder if Nintendo may not want to shadowdrop a game which isn't even going to hit those numbers if done that way.
Not that it sold poorly, just... probably less than they were hoping for, given Dread and the original's sales.
I'd both love and dread a Metroid Prime 2 Remastered shadow drop in September. Love because "hell yeah, more Metroid!" and loathe because it would imply Metroid Prime 4 is even further away than I thought (spent the past few years thinking it would be early 2024). Also, the whining that would occur if people go into the February Direct now fully assured that GCN shadowdrops are an official thing that will happen in every showcase going forward only for one not to happen? Insufferable.
I feel like over a million copies sold in just over a month is pretty good, considering that it was a digital shadow drop. Heck, the physical retail version saw so much demand that NOA had to actually release a statement promising they'd be shipping more copies. Certainly feels like expectations were met.
Well those are going to be the brunt of the sales - I mean I don't see this thing doing above a few 100k more. Having an asynchronous launch helped digital but I don't think it would've helped physical, even with the additional shipments. And tbf I think those shipments were deliberately low, because of the earlier digital release.I feel like over a million copies sold in just over a month is pretty good, considering that it was a digital shadow drop. Heck, the physical retail version saw so much demand that NOA had to actually release a statement promising they'd be shipping more copies. Certainly feels like expectations were met.
oh great Jeff Grubb guessing again, Twilight Princess/Wind Waker on Switch, he never learnJeff Grubb just now: "something not related to TOTK is happening to Zelda later this year."
He also said Metroid Prime 2 remaster is happening "relatively soon."
where are you getting these expectations from?Well those are going to be the brunt of the sales - I mean I don't see this thing doing above a few 100k more. Having an asynchronous launch helped digital but I don't think it would've helped physical, even with the additional shipments. And tbf I think those shipments were deliberately low, because of the earlier digital release.
And I'm not sure those numbers are that great considering the precedent of Dread, the original, and the Switch effect. Not that we're experts, but pre-release people were putting those numbers much, much higher.
I'm not saying it did poorly. Like, certainly not to the extent they'd forget about the next two. Just that... if it met expectations, they must've had fairly low expectations. MP1's sales were... ok, but they weren't great all things considered, so I'd just think Nintendo may not want to replicate a situation that will lead to even lower sales for the second. Then again they revealed it nonchalantly in the middle of a Direct, maybe they did have low expectations.
I'm curious at who's doing MP2 and 3Jeff Grubb just now: "something not related to TOTK is happening to Zelda later this year."
He also said Metroid Prime 2 remaster is happening "relatively soon."
Omg I hope this guy can be right. He’s wrong so many times.Jeff Grubb just now: "something not related to TOTK is happening to Zelda later this year."
He also said Metroid Prime 2 remaster is happening "relatively soon."
honestly i never got the impression that nintendo needed mpr to reach "this level" if you get me.I'd both love and dread a Metroid Prime 2 Remastered shadow drop in September. Love because "hell yeah, more Metroid!" and loathe because it would imply Metroid Prime 4 is even further away than I thought (spent the past few years thinking it would be early 2024). Also, the whining that would occur if people go into the February Direct now fully assured that GCN shadowdrops are an official thing that will happen in every showcase going forward only for one not to happen? Insufferable.
I feel like over a million copies sold in just over a month is pretty good, considering that it was a digital shadow drop. Heck, the physical retail version saw so much demand that NOA had to actually release a statement promising they'd be shipping more copies. Certainly feels like expectations were met.
I can only assume a collection or remaster release.Omg I hope this guy can be right. He’s wrong so many times.
What could be happening to Zelda later this year??
That was nerfed difficulty? It was the only time I played Echoes and thought it was hardI really hope they don't nerf the difficulty in Echoes like they did for the Trilogy. The dual analogue controls will make the game plenty easier on it's own.
he specifically didn't say(cause he didn't know) what the non totk thing was lmao. I quoted his exact words so i don't know how you dived straight into the deep end lmao.oh great Jeff Grubb guessing again, Twilight Princess/Wind Waker on Switch, he never learn
He did previously suggest ports of ww/tp hd but he refused to say it tonight.Omg I hope this guy can be right. He’s wrong so many times.
What could be happening to Zelda later this year??
not really true.grubb is rarely right
I really doubt it would have matched or outsold Dread even with more marketing. It’s still a remake.honestly i never got the impression that nintendo needed mpr to reach "this level" if you get me.
If they did they would have sold it after 3 months of marketing and the game would probably have debuted at like 2.5 to 3 million but yeah.
Definitely no new 2D Zelda or remake or ports. Those would’ve been announcedPossibilities for non-TOTK Zelda news:
-Ports of WW and TP HD
-New 2D Zelda or Remake
-Zelda mobile game
-Zelda movie announcement
-Spinoff title
Frankly, other than a mobile game or the movie announcement, the other options seems too soon after TOTK's release, especially if TOTK gets DLC.
As much as I love Bayonetta, being considered "a top dog" in a genre that is still pretty niche in its appeal doesn't mean it's likely ever going to be something that lights charts on fire. The only game of its type that reliably does so is DMC...but that's DMC. So for Bayo to be a modest success, especially on one platform, among an audience that wasn't historically known for such until Bayo2 graced the Wii U, is actually a pretty good thing, I'd say.Bayonetta sells fine for what it is but doesn’t light the charts on fire. I actually don’t think the series resonates much with Nintendo fans (which is sad to me, they are phenomenal games), or as much as Nintendo would want it to.
But the real draw of Bayonetta is that the series is viewed as one of the top dogs in its genre. It gets lots of acclaim and great word of mouth. Even Bayo 3, the least acclaimed of the series, picked up the live-streamed Best Action Game win at the game awards last year and still got great reviews overall.
I don’t think Fatal Frame is in the same position in the horror genre.
where are you getting these expectations from?
its a remake of the most well known metroid game ever (at that point). But i suppose those numbers are a bit too high.I really doubt it would have matched or outsold Dread even with more marketing. It’s still a remake.
The possibility of "Hyrule Warriors: Imprisoning War edition" taking the place of DLC for TOTK is something I have entertained.Possibilities for non-TOTK Zelda news:
-Ports of WW and TP HD
-New 2D Zelda or Remake
-Zelda mobile game
-Zelda movie announcement
-Spinoff title
Frankly, other than a mobile game or the movie announcement, the other options seems too soon after TOTK's release, especially if TOTK gets DLC.
Sure, sure. Wasn't it Prime that cost him his luscious locks?Jeff Grubb just now: "something not related to TOTK is happening to Zelda later this year."
He also said Metroid Prime 2 remaster is happening "relatively soon."
The physical edition sure seemed to exceed their sales expectations. It doesn't say anything regarding what they anticipated or got for digital sales, but the physical edition immediately sold through its stock. Sure, one might expect this to be frontloaded, but that's probably also in Nintendo's calculations. By all indications, it absolutely did not fall short of Nintendo's expectations.After the performance of the first I wonder if Nintendo may not want to shadowdrop a game which isn't even going to hit those numbers if done that way.
Not that it sold poorly, just... probably less than they were hoping for, given Dread and the original's sales.
Yeah, numbers tend to get hyped and disappoint people later. It's a cycle.And I'm not sure those numbers are that great considering the precedent of Dread, the original, and the Switch effect. Not that we're experts, but pre-release people were putting those numbers much, much higher.
I have so many thoughts, all of them wrong.Possibilities for non-TOTK Zelda news:
-Ports of WW and TP HD
-New 2D Zelda or Remake
-Zelda mobile game
-Zelda movie announcement
-Spinoff title
Frankly, other than a mobile game or the movie announcement, the other options seems too soon after TOTK's release, especially if TOTK gets DLC.
The possibility of "Hyrule Warriors: Imprisoning War edition" taking the place of DLC for TOTK is something I have entertained.
That said, I just don't see it unless Omega Force really has that kind of bandwidth. Namely because Dynasty Warriors 10 is likely going to be announced by TGS.
Hyrule Warriors for TotK is 100% happening. AoC is the best-selling musuo ever, and TotK has a great setup for it. Definitely not later this year, tho.The possibility of "Hyrule Warriors: Imprisoning War edition" taking the place of DLC for TOTK is something I have entertained.
That said, I just don't see it unless Omega Force really has that kind of bandwidth. Namely because Dynasty Warriors 10 is likely going to be announced by TGS.
I have this interview open in a tab but haven't gotten to it yet, and I clearly need to. This sounds fascinating.Tim Burtonesque Pikmin might have sold really well on 64 or gamecube. The people I knew who championed pikmin back in high school, loooooved Burton stuff. I think they may have been on the money with that original idea.
Serious about the castle thing, though. It makes sense, and a castle is even like a sort of mansion.Unironically give my "Luigi's Castle" with more spooky halloweeny traditional monster inspired stuff. That Castlevania Smash trailer was a vibe.
To be fair, almost half the people in this thread thought Dread would sell more than 4 million copies lifetime, and we're currently waiting with baited breath for confirmation that it even passed the 3 million mark that most people in that thread predicted it would do. Both of us are really just guessing at how well Nintendo thought MPR would do, so it's possible that I'm lowballing just as much as you could be highballing. But I'd be shocked if they expected a shadow-dropped game in a series that traditionally sold 1-2 million lifetime to hit the higher range of that with minimal marketing.Nearly 70% of people had it at 2-3mil or higher.How much do you think Metroid Prime Remastered will sell?
The fabled Metroid Prime remaster being shadow dropped caught everyone off guard and we're navigating uncharted waters now in regards to its sales potential. The original release sold 2,8m on the Game Cube. The most recent Metroid game (Dread) sold 3m on the Switch. Some say Prime has a better...famiboards.com
One third had it at 3-4mil or higher.
You can read through the comments. Some gems in there.
And
Metroid Prime Remastered is the top selling game on Amazon and the Nintendo eShop
Credit to @Lady Bow for this. Additionally, it's also #1 on the US and Canadian eShops. Hopefully this continues the Metroid resurgence that started back with Dread!famiboards.com
Also you can look at the surprise when its numbers were revealed
Updated sales numbers for Switch titles: Fire Emblem Engage (1.61M), Kirby's RtDL DX (1.46M), Metroid Prime Remastered (1.09M), and more
Hardware sold 3.07 million for the quarter, 17.97 million for the last FY, 15 million forecast for this FY, and 125.62m total. Updated software numbers: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 53.79m Animal Crossing: New Horizons - 42.21m Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 31.09m The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the...famiboards.com
Other sites will net you similar expectations.
I know you can talk about legs and all that, but for a game with a small physical presence that isn't still on the charts or anything, with the system successor coming soon and potentially the next remake even before that... I don't have huge expectations.
It's gonna be mostly what people want, right. It's gonna have the modern controls and it's gonna be HD and things like that but it's not gonna get the love and care that Metroid Prime got, no.
There is also rumor of a Zelda-themed land at Universal FloridaPossibilities for non-TOTK Zelda news:
-Ports of WW and TP HD
-New 2D Zelda or Remake
-Zelda mobile game
-Zelda movie announcement
-Spinoff title
Frankly, other than a mobile game or the movie announcement, the other options seems too soon after TOTK's release, especially if TOTK gets DLC.
yes he was 2 months early lolSure, sure. Wasn't it Prime that cost him his luscious locks?
If there really is something Zelda later this year, I expect it to be very small. Like Cadence of Hyrule 2 or something. Or even smaller.
One idea that does fit into that category, however, follows from the Cadence of Hyrule school of thought, where an indie title was allowed to translate its concept into a The Legend of Zelda setting.
The title under consideration here is former Apple Arcade exclusive Bleak Sword.
For spinoff purposes, it would likely take its high-octane retro-inspired diorama scene concept and structure it more akin to a Zelda title. Now there are scenes that are focused on combat and scenes that are focused more on puzzle-solving (puzzle dioramas similar to the earlier Zelda-based Captain Toad), put together in a manner that vaguely emulates classic Zelda structure, each diorama scene analogous to the individual rooms of old Zelda games.
Something like this would likely retain much of Zelda's prestige aura, a more indie art house take, if you will.
True, this was suggested. I seem to recall someone else came by at some point and ran down some details they claimed to have gleaned about the project (I think it was primarily about how Retro started with it and then the move to Prime 4, but I don't recall exactly), in which they alleged that there was consideration of finding another team to use Retro's work on Prime as a base and continue the rest of the trilogy. Mentioned having tried to interface with one of the insiders about the whole thing, who then confirmed that the attempt had been made.It won’t be the same remaster as Prime 1. Emily told us it’ll be simpler remasters for Prime 2 and 3.
a brand new 2D Legend of Zelda would be excelent on Switch, we dont have a brand new 2D Legend of Zelda since a Link Between WorldsPossibilities for non-TOTK Zelda news:
-Ports of WW and TP HD
-New 2D Zelda or Remake
-Zelda mobile game
-Zelda movie announcement
-Spinoff title
Frankly, other than a mobile game or the movie announcement, the other options seems too soon after TOTK's release, especially if TOTK gets DLC.
I'm hoping it's a sort of hybrid where most of the assets are just carried over from the GC/Wii version, but they use the lighting and shading of Prime 1 HD. Should still look incredible. Basically how Nintendo did it with the Booster Course Pass courses where they were ported from Tour, but got the lighting and shading from MK8 added in to pretty good effect IMO.What does a "simple remaster" mean in the context of Prime 2 HD? Is it just emulated like Pikmin 1 and 2, with some higher res assets tossed in?
So people other than Nintendo are disappointed because it didn't reach their own expectations. This makes the whole thing pointless because our expectations don't matterNearly 70% of people had it at 2-3mil or higher.How much do you think Metroid Prime Remastered will sell?
The fabled Metroid Prime remaster being shadow dropped caught everyone off guard and we're navigating uncharted waters now in regards to its sales potential. The original release sold 2,8m on the Game Cube. The most recent Metroid game (Dread) sold 3m on the Switch. Some say Prime has a better...famiboards.com
One third had it at 3-4mil or higher.
You can read through the comments. Some gems in there.
And
Metroid Prime Remastered is the top selling game on Amazon and the Nintendo eShop
Credit to @Lady Bow for this. Additionally, it's also #1 on the US and Canadian eShops. Hopefully this continues the Metroid resurgence that started back with Dread!famiboards.com
Also you can look at the surprise when its numbers were revealed
Updated sales numbers for Switch titles: Fire Emblem Engage (1.61M), Kirby's RtDL DX (1.46M), Metroid Prime Remastered (1.09M), and more
Hardware sold 3.07 million for the quarter, 17.97 million for the last FY, 15 million forecast for this FY, and 125.62m total. Updated software numbers: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 53.79m Animal Crossing: New Horizons - 42.21m Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - 31.09m The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the...famiboards.com
Other sites will net you similar expectations.
I know you can talk about legs and all that, but for a game with a small physical presence that isn't still on the charts or anything, with the system successor coming soon and potentially the next remake even before that... I don't have huge expectations.
It means not a full asset update like Prime Remastered got. More of a straightforward "update the controls, maybe swap out the HUD with HD assets, and boost the resolution" kind of thing.What does a "simple remaster" mean in the context of Prime 2 HD? Is it just emulated like Pikmin 1 and 2, with some higher res assets tossed in?
Bayo is part of an almost dead genre, the only pure action game selling more than 4m nowadays is like new DMC titles. In huge part is because the main attractive of the genre (the combat) even if heavily dumbed down has become the main type of combat for a lot of the big titles nowadays.Bayonetta sells fine for what it is but doesn’t light the charts on fire. I actually don’t think the series resonates much with Nintendo fans (which is sad to me, they are phenomenal games), or as much as Nintendo would want it to.
But the real draw of Bayonetta is that the series is viewed as one of the top dogs in its genre. It gets lots of acclaim and great word of mouth. Even Bayo 3, the least acclaimed of the series, picked up the live-streamed Best Action Game win at the game awards last year and still got great reviews overall.
I don’t think Fatal Frame is in the same position in the horror genre.
You re absolutely right but id be satisfied if they just remade all of the visuals lol.Metroid Prime 2 needs:
-A new aesthetic for the Dark World (it's overly purple and not super interesting)
-No regenerating health in light zones and rebalancing around that (encourages boring gameplay)
-Instant loading between light and dark world (So having both game worlds in the RAM at the same time)
-More natural indicators in the two weird back tracks in the games
-Probably more exciting stuff in the last key hunt (maybe transform the key holding guys into mini-bosses?)
-New Samus model
Obviously none of this will be added, but hopefully it's just a Prime 2+3 collection of ports if they're just ports.