This is what I want the Switch Advance to be.
No, the form factor and one solid unit instead of joycons. D-pad also. Looks ergonomic.A $400 cloud-only handheld?
Drake Lite thoIf you're expecting Drake to come without removable Joy-Cons, then you're going to wait for Godot.
I was teasing, sorry.No, the form factor and one solid unit instead of joycons. D-pad also. Looks ergonomic.
At least give us a left joycon with a d-pad.I was teasing, sorry.
I would not expect attached controllers until Drake gets its Lite revision down the line. D-Pad would be nice though.
Yeah, I'd like them to at least sell it as an option.At least give us a left joycon with a d-pad.
Drake Lite tho
just to play devil’s advocate: why definitely not?
H1 2023 is six years since the release of the nintendo switch. that’s basically the same amount of time as there was between nintendo ds and nintendo 3ds, or nintendo 3ds and nintendo switch, or super famicom and nintendo 64, or wii and wii u. a lot of nintendo hardware successors come out before the six year mark: there were only five years between n64 and gamecube, for example, or between gamecube and wii.
Setting a bot to play a game (not even necessarily well) and collect data to build a few KB of data is resource-intensive now?I mean, that depends on a lot of "if's" that might cost Nintendo too much, and still require a little patch. I think it's just more likely that many games won't see any patches/improvements, Nintendo doing it for their evergreens and thirds on how viable they feel it is. For example, Capcom will sure have one for MonHun Rise as thats a sales monster.
Setting a bot to play a game (not even necessarily well) and collect data to build a few KB of data is resource-intensive now?
And again, what hobbyists can do and what Nintendo can do are VERY different things. What it took the Yuzu devs years to achieve with far fewer people is somehow too much to ask for the people who make the hardware and know it so well they can assist 3rd parties in how to bend it to their will, given the same amount of time. If hobbyists can do it, there’s no “if” involved there.
Tbf, my concern over marketing it is not about marketing itself, but about the projected life of the device - a Switch Super Duper is going to have a good life, no doubt about it seeing how much they are spending on this, but... if it is called Switch 2, let's say, that in and of itself is a real statement that the device is gonna be around us for much, much more time than Super Duper (because, you know, eventually a Switch successor is going to come unless this is the successor).The people who are concerned about Nintendos marketing lol. You’re getting a next gen like system. That’s the big deal here. What they want to call it or advertise it as is whatever. BC will be there going by Furukawa’s statements.
This is what I want the Switch Advance to be.
nintendo wanting to market it as such. everything else is inherent to their decisions with the hardware. compatibility with switch products would happen regardless of Drake being a successor or a mid-gen upgradeWhat is the argument for Drake being considered a mid-gen upgrade/revision and not a next-gen device/successor?
DLSS won't have any bearing on BC. that's a game-level thing, not an OS-level thingThen there's stuff like how DLSS is actually integrated in Nintendo's pipeline and so on.
It would be nice to have it on the anniversary but am sorry to tell you that on that day, Mario + Rabbids 2 releases.October 20, 2022
First look at Nintendo Switch Ultra
I mean, of course you can argue on the "definitely" part, but the current state would point that way. It's not a question of time of the market, but Switch currently is still VERY strong, has a lot of games recently released with DLCs planned very well into 2023, possibly other huge exclusives already announced (MP4, Pikmin) later next year and beyond, etc...
Drake being a Switch successor doesn’t mean that the current models will be “ditched” and Nintendo will not offer any cheaper hardware…? I don’t know where we’re getting this weird idea from all of a sudden. The Wii U was the successor to the Wii and Nintendo still sold Wii systems, even going so far as to make a cut-down Wii mini. They sold NESes and Famicoms (including a special redesigned model and controller) after the SNES/SFC came out, and they continued to sell those (again, with a redesigned model) after the N64 came out. They’ve always done this.More importantly, there is NO WAY Nintendo can stay on the market only with a premium 400€+ console ditching its cheaper alternatives. All signs point to Switch staying strong for a while more, and if Drake is launching early next year it will be sold along it.
Honestly, it's mostly people thinking they won't cut off support for OG Switch when Drake comes out so it's a "Pro". To me, the specs alone make it a Switch 2 and it will get it's exclusive third party and first party games come 2024 and beyond I think. It's the replacement to the Switch.What is the argument for Drake being considered a mid-gen upgrade/revision and not a next-gen device/successor? Is it just inertia from years of "Switch Pro" talk? The reasoning for the former that I've seen seems concerned mostly with compatibility with existing Switch products (which is a fair concern to have as a customer, but next-gen systems can have BC) and possible marketing strategies from Nintendo, which are purely speculative and wouldn't align with what we know about the Drake (releasing ~six years after the Switch with significantly higher specs).
ubisoft is ruining my life with their crappy gamesIt would be nice to have it on the anniversary but am sorry to tell you that on that day, Mario + Rabbids 2 releases.
Table top mode with a 6" tablet?tabletop mode is good
split joy-con is good
please stop trying to wish all of the fun out of nintendo switch
People always seem make the argument one of “they totally could announce Drake this year without tanking their holiday sales because X, Y, and Z” and I’m just like, sure, I’ll concede all of that, but why would Nintendo want to announce it this year? Why is that optimal as opposed to waiting and announcing it in January or whatever? What’s the rush? They have huge heavy-hitting software this fall, why is it better for them to take attention away from that?I still big time doubt they announce this, even in PR release form, in 2022 if it's launching sometime March to May 2023.
I know they did with Switch, but there's a big difference between Nintendo's holiday season in 2016 and 2022. Most importantly, compared to 2016 they actually have one in 2022. ^^
Hm, not fond of that design. a) the edges look unconfortable, the color is boring as hell (to me), and while i would like more metal/magnesium, im not shure if metal buttons are confortable. if its just silver color, then im really not a fan, silver colored plastic always sems cheap to me, especially when i tgets scratches...My dream Switch Ultra is Drake in this shell (and the joy-con sticks swapped out for hall-effect sensors):
What is the argument for Drake being considered a mid-gen upgrade/revision and not a next-gen device/successor? Is it just inertia from years of "Switch Pro" talk? The reasoning for the former that I've seen seems concerned mostly with compatibility with existing Switch products (which is a fair concern to have as a customer, but next-gen systems can have BC) and possible marketing strategies from Nintendo, which are purely speculative and wouldn't align with what we know about the Drake (releasing ~six years after the Switch with significantly higher specs).
Deck's 1280x800 is also a different aspect ratio. Definitely don't expect Switch to break with TV's 16:9 standard. 900p would leave me wondering why stop there instead of going to 1080p (which would work better with games stuck at 720 anyway).With this new info confirming a better CPU, does that change anyone‘s opinion on what the screen resolution will be? Maybe 800p like Steam Deck or 900p? It really seems like, based on leaked info, Nintendo really is going for cutting edge tech this time.
If you're doing your job as a hardware manufacturer well, there should never be a period lacking such games.I get your point about Pokemon, but releasing stuff like Xenoblade, Splatoon, and Mario + Rabbids so soon before a new console seems like a terrible decision. Those could be used to sell the hardware.
People always seem make the argument one of “they totally could without tanking their holiday sales because X, Y, and Z” and I’m just like, sure, I’ll concede all of that, but why would Nintendo want to announce it this year? Why is that optimal as opposed to waiting and announcing it in January or whatever? What’s the rush? They have huge heavy-hitting software this fall, why is it better for them to take attention away from that?
The answer to me is, pretty clearly, that it’s not.
I want them to announce this thing this year. I want them to announce it tomorrow. But that doesn’t mean it’s in Nintendo’s interests to do so.
Drake comes with a 9 inch screen tho!Table top mode with a 6" tablet?
Okay, then basically no console is a successor, even ones that are labeled “2” or “3.”Conventionally speaking, I would define a console a successor if the previous model is discontinued and it's the default platform for any new first-party game.
oh goodness, is this gonna happen to me too when I'm 45?Table top mode with a 6" tablet?
Is there any reason to believe that Drake wouldn't fulfill these criteria to an extent we've seen with Nintendo consoles and handhelds in the past? We don't know which and how many first-party games will be developed for it, nor do we know the extent to which Nintendo will scale back on Switch development. That's all speculative and there's nothing to directly indicate anything either way.Conventionally speaking, I would define a console a successor if the previous model is discontinued and it's the default platform for any new first-party game. PS5 might have blurred the line a bit but most of the precedents follow this path.
I don't see neither of these happening with a Drake launch in H1, so I don't know why you would define it a successor, until it is proven otherwise (which might also happen down the line). It's not about marketing, it's about literally being just an extension of the current system.
Table top mode with a 6" tablet?
For me it's a combination of things.What is the argument for Drake being considered a mid-gen upgrade/revision and not a next-gen device/successor? Is it just inertia from years of "Switch Pro" talk? The reasoning for the former that I've seen seems concerned mostly with compatibility with existing Switch products (which is a fair concern to have as a customer, but next-gen systems can have BC) and possible marketing strategies from Nintendo, which are purely speculative and wouldn't align with what we know about the Drake (releasing ~six years after the Switch with significantly higher specs).
that's up to sony and their money hatting addictionSpeaking of MonHun, it would be a huge get if the next mainline title (World 2/MH6) launched day one on Drake with the other platforms.
People always seem make the argument one of “they totally could announce Drake this year without tanking their holiday sales because X, Y, and Z” and I’m just like, sure, I’ll concede all of that, but why would Nintendo want to announce it this year? Why is that optimal as opposed to waiting and announcing it in January or whatever? What’s the rush? They have huge heavy-hitting software this fall, why is it better for them to take attention away from that?
The answer to me is, pretty clearly, that it’s not.
I want them to announce this thing this year. I want them to announce it tomorrow. But that doesn’t mean it’s in Nintendo’s interests to do so.
I didn't say that - however, there is a term for that in behavioral economics called "satisficing" because it is real. You can see it in every single thread in this forum when a new product is announced "ARGGG Nintendo I was just saving up to buy a new Foo, but the Foo OLED looks sooo good" six weeks later. "Hey Fami I broke down and got a new Foo, wanted to wait for the Foo OLED but I just couldn't stop waiting to play Zeldafield: Chronicles Y."So an imminent new product completely fades from memory after the quarter it was announced in? Seems... unlikely.
That is also not what I said. I was specifically comparing the drop off across quarters. Lemme show you the dataAnd summer quarters always tend to fall off the later years of hardware. Even now, Switch has dipped to #2 on NPD HW units sold for the first time in a LONG time this past August.
Quarter | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | Notes |
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Q1 (ending Jun 30) | 1.1 million | 0.94 million | 0.95 million | 1% increase in 2017 |
Q2 (ending Sep 30) | 1.29 million | 1.76 million | 1.90 million | 7% increase in 2017 |
Q3 (ending Dec 31) | 3.59 million | 3.73 million | 3.01 million | Switch reveal, 20% drop |
Q4 (ending March 31) | 0.91 million | 0.82 million | 0.55 million | 23% drop |
Yes you are correct, there is something to balance against the knock on effect of sales dropping in the wake of the announcement. Many things in fact. I am not denying it. I am simply saying that "announcing a new product affects sales" which is not only common sense, but is greatly supported by the data.Besides, even if I accept that this would cause a major sales collapse, with how far ahead hardware launches have to be mapped out, it's not like they can wait all that long to announce new hardware anyways. Either you don't risk sales in the holiday period and cut your marketing time as thin as possible or you take the risk and give yourself some breathing room to drive interest in new hardware. So even if I were to believe there'd be a sales collapse, I don't consider their current hardware sales to be something inviolable to begin with.
It is in consideration, or at least, I'm considering it But in order to consider it you have to be honest about the tradeoffs, which means acknowledging that an announcement will have an immediate impact on sales, that the biggest sales period of the year is coming up.Because the long-term success of their future hardware might mean more to them than undisturbed sales the last holiday period of their current hardware so long as software sales stay solid.
I'm really not sure why that possibility isn't in consideration.
Well, it'll be holiday season in the US in 64 days, and right now there are people in this very thread - the most informed place on the matter in the English speaking Internet - saying "2024 at the earliest", so I'm not sure that's particularly relevant.You bring up a decent point: new hardware might basically be all-but-known in the holiday season regardless, with or without an official announcement, and then what good does holding the announcement do?
I feel this will be positioned and marketed as a true successor by Nintendo (ie, "Switch 2") for two primary reasons:What is the argument for Drake being considered a mid-gen upgrade/revision and not a next-gen device/successor? Is it just inertia from years of "Switch Pro" talk? The reasoning for the former that I've seen seems concerned mostly with compatibility with existing Switch products (which is a fair concern to have as a customer, but next-gen systems can have BC) and possible marketing strategies from Nintendo, which are purely speculative and wouldn't align with what we know about the Drake (releasing ~six years after the Switch with significantly higher specs).
What first party Switch games other than BotW (an exception for obvious reasons) were also released for the Wii U? I think what breaks the mold from the previous definition of a successor, and what we've been seeing with the current generation, is a cross gen period of indefinite length.Okay, then basically no console is a successor, even ones that are labeled “2” or “3.”
This is a hilariously bad take when nobody knows how they'll market this thing yet and I've stated multiple times that it makes no sense to ME."I have no fucking clue of what is happening but let me tell you I AM DEFINITELY RIGHT"
The main reason to do so would be to preempt leaks from production. If it's not coming till May it's probably less of an issue, but if it's coming sooner it's likely the device could leak entirely before the year is out. For example, DF had full retail specs of the original Switch back in December 2016. A similar situation for Nintendo would be not great if they have not even mentioned a new device is coming by then.People always seem make the argument one of “they totally could announce Drake this year without tanking their holiday sales because X, Y, and Z” and I’m just like, sure, I’ll concede all of that, but why would Nintendo want to announce it this year? Why is that optimal as opposed to waiting and announcing it in January or whatever? What’s the rush? They have huge heavy-hitting software this fall, why is it better for them to take attention away from that?
The answer to me is, pretty clearly, that it’s not.
I want them to announce this thing this year. I want them to announce it tomorrow. But that doesn’t mean it’s in Nintendo’s interests to do so.
We already have more or less the full specs now, barring clock speeds. We know much, much more about this than we did the Switch at the time.The main reason to do so would be to preempt leaks from production. If it's not coming till May it's probably less of an issue, but if it's coming sooner it's likely the device could leak entirely before the year is out. For example, DF had full retail specs of the original Switch back in December 2016. A similar situation for Nintendo would be not great if they have not even mentioned a new device is coming by then.
No console is a successor under that logic. When the PS3 released it was regularly being outsold by the PS2 and was fighting for its life against the gba at times. Back in the day cross generation games also just didn't make sense because the gap in hardware was massive amd architectures were wildly different.Conventionally speaking, I would define a console a successor if the previous model is discontinued and it's the default platform for any new first-party game. PS5 might have blurred the line a bit but most of the precedents follow this path.
I don't see neither of these happening with a Drake launch in H1, so I don't know why you would define it a successor, until it is proven otherwise (which might also happen down the line). It's not about marketing, it's about literally being just an extension of the current system.
I think you are pushed to argue to the contrary only because you expect the power gap to be huge (which tbf was usually an established criteria to define a successor as well)
I don't disagree, but that's only due to the Nvidia hack, which Nintendo could not have foreseen or done anything about. Even on the internet that hack is rarely discussed outside of this forum, and has never had major reporting on it. An article going up from DF/Eurogamer or some other big outlet detailing all of that plus clock speeds, information about unique features, etc, would be dramatically different, which is what occured in the latter months of 2016 during the run up to the Switch.We already have more or less the full specs now, barring clock speeds. We know much, much more about this than we did the Switch at the time.