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Some people online are so dismissive of rumours and whatnot. You tell them “hey, there’s a Direct rumoured for the 13th!” and they immediately disregard you. Like ‘oh, that’s just a bunch of baloney’.

Then the rumours come true, because our insiders are reliable. Like what happened with a Direct on March 26, 2020. Grubb stood by what he said about a Direct and it was all true.

…so you’d think these disregarding people would begin to listen, right? After so many correct rumours? Nope. The cycle just repeats itself over and over. After the insiders are right about a Direct on the 13th, the leak-disregarders will instantly forget about the leakers being correct, and will start dismissing the NEXT Direct leak when it comes up inevitably in a while.

For the record, I get people wanting to take leaks with a grain of salt. I’m just mad about how some people take a stance of “superiority” and claim it’s all BS without at least giving it a chance.
 
NintendoPrime said:
As for what I said in the video - I don't get how pointing that out is discrediting anyone? It's a fact based statement to say it is convenient to say they are banking games and sitting ont hem when there are so many rumored games not announced?

It's just being fair to skeptics. It's not at all discrediting.
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Right. You were “just asking questions,” I’m sure.

“Some people say that it’s convenient for people who talk about unannounced games to be able to say that Nintendo is just sitting on the games if their rumors don’t pan out. Is that happening here? I report, you decide. Anyway, time to use the leaks from the people I just suggested were untrustworthy for my own material gain!”

It’s just gross, and you should take the opportunity to learn from the criticism and be better, not double down and get defensive. I know taking criticism isn’t fun. Nobody likes to hear that they messed up. But it’s going to make your channel better, and better at maintaining relationships with other people in the industry you cover. Because as it is, the people who have been reporting on unannounced games are essentially your source for this video, and you just alienated them. Don’t denigrate other sources or throw them under a bus, that’s like media 101.
 
NintendoPrime said:
Already listed this in response to Emily but:

Known games no dates:

Botw 2
Metroid prime 4
Advanced wars 1 + 2

Rumored:
Dk game
TWW HD
TPHD
Metroid prime HD
Fzero gx HD
Kid Icarus (zippo)
2D Mario (zippo)
Fire emblem
Fire emblem remaster
And one other I am forgetting, but I listed it in a prior comment.
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Your title is wrong then, since only 7 of those games are rumored to be "stockpiled" by Nintendo. Since you're attributing these rumors to other people, the responsible thing to do would be to accurately represent their claims.

NintendoPrime said:
It's just being fair to skeptics.
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This doesn't make sense. It wouldn't be unfair to skeptics if you didn't say it, so it's not being "fair to skeptics" when you do say it.

You're not being "fair" to skeptics, you're validating skeptics. I think that's what you mean.

NintendoPrime said:
It's not at all discrediting. Discrediting would be doing things like bringing up every game some people said where coming that never got announced. Like star fox racing. When I never do that and instead mention what Emily and others got right with few id any direct references to the incorrcet.
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Throwing doubt on someone by basically saying "they could be totally lying to us" when you absolutely don't need to is discrediting.

I'll show you what I mean:

"NintendoPrime could be lying to us about his motivations about the video right now."

Nobody needs to be told "they could be lying". That's *inherent to the topic".
So when you decide to run it into your audiences faces, with stuff like "wellllll, it iiiis pretty convenient....... isn't it? The way they could just..... lie to us and get away with it? Isn't it?"

That's not "being fair", that's just validating people who want to talk shit on insiders.

I'm honestly baffled why you're claiming to not understand this.
 
NintendoPrime said:
As for what I said in the video - I don't get how pointing that out is discrediting anyone? It's a fact based statement to say it is convenient to say they are banking games and sitting ont hem when there are so many rumored games not announced?

It's just being fair to skeptics. It's not at all discrediting. Discrediting would be doing things like bringing up every game some people said where coming that never got announced. Like star fox racing. When I never do that and instead mention what Emily and others got right with few id any direct references to the incorrcet.
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Right up front, I haven't taken the time to watch the video in question, nor am I likely to do so, so I might be lacking in some context, but this ties into what's been previously mentioned regarding responsibility.

In this case, maybe the statement is technically factually correct in that it can be convenient to hide behind the idea that Nintendo stockpiles some games, but you're ignoring the implication of the statement.

The implication, regardless of whether you say here that you trust these individuals, is that these people are throwing that out purely as a shield. It's convenient because they can make things up and then hide behind the nebulous stockpile.

And that's something that can happen, but you also have to be careful about what people will take away from your statements in addition to what you've actually said. Because a great many people online absolutely will take the idea that, well, it's a convenient thing to say and use that as a reason to harass people. And, of those trawling Youtube for videos on rumors, the number that would do this is likely not insignificant. You mentioned seeing what some of these individuals have had to go through, so you can understand how this happens.

It's the implication, beyond the direct statement, which can perpetuate this.

A take on responsibility, though with lesser consequences, goes back to the thumbnail. The thumbnail also conveys information, and some of that can be implicit, if not necessarily intended.

Someone who takes YouTube rumor videos seriously could see the thumbnail, assume something is one of the rumors and accept that, then get upset when it doesn't happen. This could even feed into some of the other issues previously mentioned.

Really, it's not a difficult concept.

You seem to indicate that you take your content creation seriously, which only suggests you should also take your content seriously -- both that which is stated and that implied.
 
Gay Bowser said:
Right. You were “just asking questions,” I’m sure.

“Some people say that it’s convenient for people who talk about unannounced games to be able to say that Nintendo is just sitting on the games if their rumors don’t pan out. Is that happening here? I report, you decide. Anyway, time to use the leaks from the people I just suggested were untrustworthy for my own material gain!”

It’s just gross, and you should take the opportunity to learn from the criticism and be better, not double down and get defensive. I know taking criticism isn’t fun. Nobody likes to hear that they messed up. But it’s going to make your channel better, and better at maintaining relationships with other people in the industry you cover. Because as it is, the people who have been reporting on unannounced games are essentially your source for this video, and you just alienated them. Don’t denigrate other sources or throw them under a bus, that’s like media 101.
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bellydrum said:
Your title is wrong then, since only 7 of those games are rumored to be "stockpiled" by Nintendo. Since you're attributing these rumors to other people, the responsible thing to do would be to accurately represent their claims.


This doesn't make sense. It wouldn't be unfair to skeptics if you didn't say it, so it's not being "fair to skeptics" when you do say it.

You're not being "fair" to skeptics, you're validating skeptics. I think that's what you mean.



Throwing doubt on someone by basically saying "they could be totally lying to us" when you absolutely don't need to is discrediting.

I'll show you what I mean:

"NintendoPrime could be lying to us about his motivations about the video right now."

Nobody needs to be told "they could be lying". That's *inherent to the topic".
So when you decide to run it into your audiences faces, with stuff like "wellllll, it iiiis pretty convenient....... isn't it? The way they could just..... lie to us and get away with it? Isn't it?"

That's not "being fair", that's just validating people who want to talk shit on insiders.

I'm honestly baffled why you're claiming to not understand this.
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@NintendoPrime - bellydrum and GayBowser cover a lot of what I'd say in response to you here. As does
Supreme Overlord said:
Right up front, I haven't taken the time to watch the video in question, nor am I likely to do so, so I might be lacking in some context, but this ties into what's been previously mentioned regarding responsibility.

In this case, maybe the statement is technically factually correct in that it can be convenient to hide behind the idea that Nintendo stockpiles some games, but you're ignoring the implication of the statement.

The implication, regardless of whether you say here that you trust these individuals, is that these people are throwing that out purely as a shield. It's convenient because they can make things up and then hide behind the nebulous stockpile.

And that's something that can happen, but you also have to be careful about what people will take away from your statements in addition to what you've actually said. Because a great many people online absolutely will take the idea that, well, it's a convenient thing to say and use that as a reason to harass people. And, of those trawling Youtube for videos on rumors, the number that would do this is likely not insignificant. You mentioned seeing what some of these individuals have had to go through, so you can understand how this happens.

It's the implication, beyond the direct statement, which can perpetuate this.

A take on responsibility, though with lesser consequences, goes back to the thumbnail. The thumbnail also conveys information, and some of that can be implicit, if not necessarily intended.

Someone who takes YouTube rumor videos seriously could see the thumbnail, assume something is one of the rumors and accept that, then get upset when it doesn't happen. This could even feed into some of the other issues previously mentioned.

You seem to indicate that you take your content creation seriously, which only suggests you should also take your content seriously -- both that which is stated and that implied.
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This is also a very articulate response that concurs with what I think on this topic.

There's one other point I'd make, because you haven't engaged with something I brought up:
NintendoPrime said:
I'm lending credence to nobody to make what is a fact based statement about rumors. I do not regret that line and it's why I said it twice. I owe my audience to speak fairly and openly on this stuff. That includes not forgetting that saying something like they are banking up games is, factually, convenient. Anyoen can now make up rumors and point to those statements.
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We know from multiple cases that Nintendo do behave this way. So no, it's not just a 'convenient' rumour for untrustworthy people to hide behind. If you're going to cover topics like Nintendo potentially stockpiling games you can do wider research to ascertain whether or not there's any truth to that idea.

All this being said, I'm not interested in pursuing the matter further. I've no intention of derailing the thread, and I think that's what's in danger of happening here. You seemed like you wanted and were open to feedback on your videos, and I maintain you need to be more careful on how you frame your information; especially if you want people like Nate and Emily to actually engage with you.
 
Gay Bowser said:
Right. You were “just asking questions,” I’m sure.

“Some people say that it’s convenient for people who talk about unannounced games to be able to say that Nintendo is just sitting on the games if their rumors don’t pan out. Is that happening here? I report, you decide. Anyway, time to use the leaks from the people I just suggested were untrustworthy for my own material gain!”

It’s just gross, and you should take the opportunity to learn from the criticism and be better, not double down and get defensive. I know taking criticism isn’t fun. Nobody likes to hear that they messed up. But it’s going to make your channel better, and better at maintaining relationships with other people in the industry you cover. Because as it is, the people who have been reporting on unannounced games are essentially your source for this video, and you just alienated them. Don’t denigrate other sources or throw them under a bus, that’s like media 101.
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bellydrum said:
Your title is wrong then, since only 7 of those games are rumored to be "stockpiled" by Nintendo. Since you're attributing these rumors to other people, the responsible thing to do would be to accurately represent their claims.


This doesn't make sense. It wouldn't be unfair to skeptics if you didn't say it, so it's not being "fair to skeptics" when you do say it.

You're not being "fair" to skeptics, you're validating skeptics. I think that's what you mean.



Throwing doubt on someone by basically saying "they could be totally lying to us" when you absolutely don't need to is discrediting.

I'll show you what I mean:

"NintendoPrime could be lying to us about his motivations about the video right now."

Nobody needs to be told "they could be lying". That's *inherent to the topic".
So when you decide to run it into your audiences faces, with stuff like "wellllll, it iiiis pretty convenient....... isn't it? The way they could just..... lie to us and get away with it? Isn't it?"

That's not "being fair", that's just validating people who want to talk shit on insiders.

I'm honestly baffled why you're claiming to not understand this.
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No, it's called being skeptical.

Not being skeptical is being unfair to other skeptics. Because ti means Im ignoring something. I'm ignoring the fact that stockpiling games is reslllllllly convenient. Blatantly so.

You all not liking me pointing it out is due to your own lack of skepticism.

I sais when I joined here I was surprised people were so welcoming and being kind to me, but it's obvious now it's because people here weren't watching my videos. Now that they are, they don't like how I do things.

Criticism is fine. I can concede on the star fox thing. I was being lazy as that video was made super late on a Saturday and I had the image sitting around. Definitely something I can improve on.

But if people don't like "what" I say, when I'm saying exactly what I mean - not much I can do. And if it leads to people not wanting me ehre or folks here nor watching my videos - that's cool.

My audience is enjoying my content and I got s lot props for mentioning that it's a convenient thing to say. My audience likes the way I report on rumors because of the skepticism I offer towards the reporting.

A place where they get super excited when Emily and Nate talk is naturally not going to take well to thsi approach in content creation. People can simply stop watching if they want. Just like when I got shared gere for having a source on fzero and then got made fun of for the video.

I know my audience and I know myself. I like my content and make sensible improvements. But I don't regret saying what I mean.
 
“Nintendo is stockpiling games” is such a weird thing to even bring up, leaks and YouTube videos alike. It’s something that will never be truly confirmed to the masses, so it really doesn’t matter.

But also it’s not exactly a big deal if Nintendo is doing this. That just means they’re smart and doing what a lot of other companies do.
 
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Mori Medinayo said:
He can make videos on whatever he wants to. So arrogant dude.
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He can. He will. I never said he isn't allowed to.

If you think thats arrogant I hardly can change your mind about me. Nonetheless I don't think its good content to put out and it smells of clickbait in combination with the usual thumbnails.

Seeing such videos always rubs me the wrong way because it seems people are just on here to sniff about the newest rumors just to immediately create videos about them.

I am certainly allowed to judge him like he is allowed to judge leakers and insiders.
 
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NintendoPrime said:
You all not liking me pointing it out is due to your own lack of skepticism.
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😂

Okay, bye, you’re not interested in responding to criticism in good faith if that’s legit your takeaway here. Keep shitting on other people in your industry while you make videos about their information, I’m sure that’ll work out well for you.
 
I don't know what I would need to feel interested in a 2D Mario again. Mario Maker 2 wasn't enough for me, and I couldn't finish New Super Mario Bros U.

May be a whole new map formula, stop using worlds and levels, having unexpected gameplay mechanics, an interesting story, a new artstyle... in that order.
 
this is going to sound sarcastic but I'm 100% serious

I think it's awfully convenient that nintendoprime got in touch with an f-zero gx source after everyone was already talking about it
 
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"raccoon it's awfully convenient that you find that f-zero source convenient after the guy said the other leaks were awfully convenient"

shush
 
I just hope somewhere in the virtual warehouse of stockpiled Nintendo games there is a Pokémon Colosseum and XD remaster
 
palemire said:
How would you feel about a Mario Metroidvania?
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as someone who hopes for a Splatoon Metroidvania....

please no.

Marios level design shines because its designed around a robust, easy to learn- hard to master movement system in combination with creative power-ups and mechanics.

A Metroidvania is the total opposite of this.
 
NintendoPrime said:
No, it's called being skeptical.

Not being skeptical is being unfair to other skeptics. Because ti means Im ignoring something. I'm ignoring the fact that stockpiling games is reslllllllly convenient. Blatantly so.

You all not liking me pointing it out is due to your own lack of skepticism.

I sais when I joined here I was surprised people were so welcoming and being kind to me, but it's obvious now it's because people here weren't watching my videos. Now that they are, they don't like how I do things.
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No, AGAIN, being fair is letting your audience know "it's a rumor, it might be true, and here's what supports that claim. But of course there's a chance it might not be accurate."

You're going beyond that, actively playing into the prevalent idea that insiders are malicious, and are lying for clout. Which certainly can be true of some people, you're making a blanket statement about all insiders by saying this. People latch onto that, and attack anyone who says something that may not line up perfectly in the end. You say you've known Emily for a long time, then why are you painting targets on them making it sound like they have ulterior motives? If that isn't the intent, you need to be more careful with your words. If not, then you need to stop pandering to an audience that engages in harassing insiders.
 
LukasManak22 said:
I am sorry but this conversation is taking away the Direct hype.
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Yes, I'm happy to move on. Here's a fun story from earlier today:

I have a lot of gaming t shirts, primarily Nintendo shirts. Most of them are Zelda themed. Shockingly, I have only one Wario t shirt (if anybody knows a reputable vendor of Wario themed clothing, kindly point them out to me). I nearly put it on this morning, but then I remembered there should well be a Direct on Tuesday or perhaps Wednesday. And so I know that I should wear my Wario shirt only on Direct Day, so that my wearing it might manifest positive vibes and potentially Wario Land games on Switch.

Kum by wah, and so on.
 
palemire said:
How would you feel about a Mario Metroidvania?
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Meh? If it's a metroidvania in general, but doesn't look like one (with obvious locked doors that need a new power-up) I think that would be cool.
Having optional quests would be great, something to feel immersed in the Mushroom Kingdom lol
 
Ibrahim said:
What if Nate’s secret guest is Direct-Feed Game?
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prizna said:
What if Nate managed to get Zach from SwitchForce as his special guest 😲 /s
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No.

I can just say who it is.

NintendoPrime said:
Well, we know about the following announced without dates:

BoTW 2
Metroid Prime 4
Advance Wars 1+2 Reboot Camp

Then rumored:

twilight princess HD
the wind waker HD
new fire emblem game
fire emblem remaster
F-Zero GX remaster
some sort of DK game
everybody's 1 2 Switch
metroid prime remaster


zippo also threw out 2D mario and Kid Icarus.

Thats' 13. So 12+ is accurate?

The star fox thing is just "I want this to happen" (and it's stated in the video) as you talked about lots of Gamecube remaskters or whatever. My personal desires make it into my videos a lot, but I never sourced anyone for it. Just mentioned "please let this happen" lol
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Majority of these games are not being stockpiled. They are in active development or simply rumored. No one is claiming MS has stockpiled two dozen games for the Xbox Series. The games are in development. The term "bank" or "stockpiled" insinuates that the games are done and sitting in a pile waiting to be released.
 
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Pflaumenmus12 said:
as someone who hopes for a Splatoon Metroidvania....

please no.

Marios level design shines because its designed around a robust, easy to learn- hard to master movement system in combination with creative power-ups and mechanics.

A Metroidvania is the total opposite of this.
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I agree with you completely

And a Splatoon Metroidvania sounds fantastic honestly, the upgrade system writes itself
 
i need GB and GBA NSO, i neeeeeeed it

Imagine all the mainline Metroid games playable on Switch!
Imagine the first seven mainline Kirby games playable on Switch!
Imagine all the people, living for today…
 
If the Direct is on Tuesday, I wonder if it will be the usual time a usual Tuesday Direct would air? That’s 5pm UK time (Tuesday Directs are usually also the big E3 ones, could that also give some indication on what this Direct might contain? They haven’t had a genera Direct since February after all)
 
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NintendoPrime said:
No, it's called being skeptical.
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I get the feeling based on your tone that you're not taking the feedback and criticism as well as you were earlier. If you're no longer open to feedback, I can slow it down. You just seemed to be receptive, and I appreciate a good content feedback loop.

NintendoPrime said:
Not being skeptical is being unfair to other skeptics. Because ti means Im ignoring something. I'm ignoring the fact that stockpiling games is reslllllllly convenient. Blatantly so.
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I think you're starting to make sense, and the problem is just that you're not explaining yourself well enough.

You're not "being fair" to skeptics; instead you're trying to "represent all sides". In an attempt to be "fair and balanced" I suppose.

If you wanted to "be fair" to skeptics, all you have to do is simply *state that these are rumors and not facts".

But you're not doing that. In fact, you state twice directly that the insiders themselves are dubious, and you make no claim of believing them.

I don't know why we have to explain to you that this is "unfair" to the people providing you content.

NintendoPrime said:
You all not liking me pointing it out is due to your own lack of skepticism.
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This is a gross misunderstanding of our skepticism. We are skeptics. We just don't have to vocalize it because we all already know how skeptical we are.

NintendoPrime said:
I sais when I joined here I was surprised people were so welcoming and being kind to me, but it's obvious now it's because people here weren't watching my videos. Now that they are, they don't like how I do things.
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NintendoPrime said:
Criticism is fine. I can concede on the star fox thing. I was being lazy as that video was made super late on a Saturday and I had the image sitting around. Definitely something I can improve on.
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I appreciate you taking feedback here, this is nice.

NintendoPrime said:
But if people don't like "what" I say, when I'm saying exactly what I mean - not much I can do. And if it leads to people not wanting me ehre or folks here nor watching my videos - that's cool.

My audience is enjoying my content and I got s lot props for mentioning that it's a convenient thing to say. My audience likes the way I report on rumors because of the skepticism I offer towards the reporting.
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This is fine for your audience. But you're entirely unconcerned with what's fine (or not fine) for the people providing your content.


NintendoPrime said:
A place where they get super excited when Emily and Nate talk is naturally not going to take well to thsi approach in content creation.
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I think you should reframe this in your mind to:

"A youtube channel that throws distrust toward insiders and validates those who call them liars is naturally not going to be taken in with open arms by the communities of those insiders."

NintendoPrime said:
People can simply stop watching if they want. Just like when I got shared gere for having a source on fzero and then got made fun of for the video.
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I wasn't aware of that situation, and certainly wouldn't have been okay with making fun of your video.

NintendoPrime said:
I know my audience and I know myself. I like my content and make sensible improvements. But I don't regret saying what I mean.
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Agree to disagree, then.
 
Raccoon said:
I'm so stoked tbh

I'm beyond ready to move on
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Remember, you are here forever!

But to be honest, it's kinda unreal that we will made it after whole June of speculation, some in July and August to finally arrive. Feels kinda surreal, or at least for me, I sill remember the moment when we found out that the June Direct will be a Partner, seems like yesterday.
 
Don't typically watch clickbaity videos like this, but people were talking about it so I thought I would.

It's an interesting dichotomy to sensationalize the claims of the leakers and then turn around and put them on blast for possibly making things up.

Also I imagine the guy knows the difference between "being worked on" and "being stockpiled" but obfuscates the claims for the sake of, again, a more sensationalized headline via a higher number of titles. I haven't read every post, but it wasn't 12 games being claimed to be sat on... it was like half that. MP1, WW, TP, AW, FE and the stinky horse. I don't think others, like DK or F-Zero, were ever claimed to be done. But correct me if I'm wrong.

Plus everyone familiar with leak culture knows that if these specifically alleged titles don't eventually materialize, those who claimed them will have it held against them for a very long time. So it's not like the gamble is for the internet to "forget something", as is being implied here by the video. Especially the internet forgetting a leaker being incorrect. If anything, it's the inverse that is more likely forgotten.

It's clearly taking claims, and stitching them together to get a more captivating story, even when that means purposefully getting some of the details wrong. Which is irresponsible reporting, but helps get those clicks.

So, business as usual for Youtube.
 
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