StarTopic Nintendo General Discussion |ST4 Jan. 2022| Resurrections

[mazi]

i would also be happy if they add xenoblade 2 and splatoon 2 expansions to NSO, i still haven't played either one.

 

[Derachi]

That's so curious to me though; were there any other Gameboy games that had meaningful connectivity with well received N64 games that aren't Pokemon?

Pokémon is big enough to warrant the work on its own, but as others have said, Mario Golf and Tennis both do.

I think the difference there is that those were seperate purchasable products and not a rental for a $20 service.

Really I just think that's what it is: Nintendo seemingly has no budget for bigger third party games for base NSO, which is why we keep getting the weird bargain bin games on SNES instead of the games with more apparent legal issues like EB and SMRPG. Once again the Expansion Pack is seemingly a different story, hence why they've gotten games that feel like they wouldn't be there otherwise like Contra Hard Corps and Castlevania Bloodlines (both of which are already on compilations).

Earthbound isn’t a third party game. They do have to get the OK from Itoi (I believe he owns the rights to the characters) but judging by how much Earthbound/Mother merch his company Hobonichi sells, he would want nothing more than to get that game in front of as many people as possible. But it’s not really a licensing thing.

For all we know the legal circumstances for NSO are different. Either it shows up or... we suffer eternally.

Again, Nintendo owns the game. They just need the go ahead from Itoi.

I think the safest assumption at this point is a remake is coming.

 

[mazi]

platinum get your shit together challenge

 

[Dinoman96]

In the case of the N64...

Announced games for the future:

Banjo-Kazooie
Custom Robo (JP only)
Custom Robo V2 (JP only)
F-Zero X
Kirby 64
Majora's Mask
Mario Golf
Pokemon Snap

Games on Wii VC but not on Wii U/NSO:

Crusin' USA
Pokemon Puzzle League
Super Smash Bros.
Bomberman Hero

Games on Wii U VC but not on Wii VC/NSO:

Donkey Kong 64
Excite Bike 64
Harvest Moon 64
Bomberman 64

Games on Wii and Wii U VC but not on NSO:

Wave Race 64
Mario Party 2
Ogre Battle 64
1080 Snowboarding

Interestingly there's four games a pop missing from each. Assuming they'll continue going by one game a month, the above could all make a decent "Phase Two" for N64 NSO for next year. Of course there's still other options like Rare's N64 games, which now feel more on the table than ever before with Banjo-Kazooie coming sometime this month. But outside of the Rare stuff, I wonder what else they could add that would be legally possible.

 

[Josh5890]

i would also be happy if they add xenoblade 2 and splatoon 2 expansions to NSO, i still haven't played either one.

Splatoon 2 Octo Expansion is definitely worth your time. I hope you play it at some point!

 

[storres]

platinum get your shit together challenge

Is Hasan in charge if them?

 

[Mekanos]

Again, Nintendo owns the game. They just need the go ahead from Itoi.

I think the safest assumption at this point is a remake is coming.

EarthBound's legal issues are a bigger problem than Nintendo's ownership:

EarthBound’s Specific Legal Issues « EarthBound Central

A few years ago I made a post explaining that legal issues were the cause of why EarthBound isn’t on the Virtual Console (see here). The quick summary is that NOA wanted to make some changes to the game to avoid legal issues, but NCL didn’t want to make those changes. At the time I […]

earthboundcentral.com

I don't see why Nintendo would remake it unless it was low budget, though. Maybe something like the Advance Wars release, but I doubt it.

 

[Josh5890]

In the case of the N64...

Announced games for the future:

Banjo-Kazooie
Custom Robo (JP only)
Custom Robo V2 (JP only)
F-Zero X
Kirby 64
Majora's Mask
Mario Golf
Pokemon Snap

Games on Wii VC but not on Wii U/NSO:

Crusin' USA
Pokemon Puzzle League
Super Smash Bros.
Bomberman Hero

Games on Wii U VC but not on Wii VC/NSO:

Donkey Kong 64
Excite Bike 64
Harvest Moon 64
Bomberman 64

Games on Wii and Wii U VC but not on NSO:

Wave Race 64
Mario Party 2
Ogre Battle 64
1080 Snowboarding

Interestingly there's four games a pop missing from each. Assuming they'll continue going by one game a month, the above could all make a decent "Phase Two" for N64 NSO for next year. Of course there's still other options like Rare's N64 games, which now feel more on the table than ever before with Banjo-Kazooie coming sometime this month. But outside of the Rare stuff, I wonder what else they could add that would be legally possible.

Very nice list. I agree that after those games and some of the Rare stuff, the pickings get very light.

 

[mazi]

Splatoon 2 Octo Expansion is definitely worth your time. I hope you play it at some point!

i was waiting for it to go on sale for a long time, and then it did go on sale and i missed it

 

[Deleted member 2]

Super unrelated, but I've finish remastering "Fly Me To The Moon - Yoko Takahashi Acid Bossa Version" off our Evangelion Finally vinyl release. Basically I improved the stereo image, EQ'd it, and ran it through my tube preamp to make up for some of the lost amplitude.

Sounds incredibly clean, and is now the best quality version of the song I can find.

 

[Brofield]

Perfect Dark, Mario Golf and Mario Tennis on GBC did.

TIL not only about Perfect Dark on Gameboy, but that it also connnected with the N64 game? How about that lol

Pokémon is big enough to warrant the work on its own, but as others have said, Mario Golf and Tennis both do.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you there; definitely milk the nostalgia from the crowd looking for the connectivity. To me it just seems peculiar that it would be Pokemon holding back the rest of the Gameboy platform when a number of other games were successful before and after.

Fake edit: LOL Wikipedia showed me wrong with the top ten entries on this list

(Chart pasted fine but then BBC code broke after I hit Post, my bad friends)

 

[Derachi]

EarthBound's legal issues are a bigger problem than Nintendo's ownership:

EarthBound’s Specific Legal Issues « EarthBound Central

A few years ago I made a post explaining that legal issues were the cause of why EarthBound isn’t on the Virtual Console (see here). The quick summary is that NOA wanted to make some changes to the game to avoid legal issues, but NCL didn’t want to make those changes. At the time I […]

earthboundcentral.com

I don't see why Nintendo would remake it unless it was low budget, though. Maybe something like the Advance Wars release, but I doubt it.

lmao ok but since this article was written in 2012 Earthbound has gotten released three times unchanged

 

[mazi]

i doubt there's any legal issues stopping earthbound/zero from being release at this point.

 

[Dinoman96]

For Rare's games all of these seem possible:

• Banjo-Kazooie (confirmed!)
• Banjo-Tooie
• Donkey Kong 64
• Diddy Kong Racing
• Blast Corps
• Killer Instinct Gold
• Jet Force Gemini
• GoldenEye 007 (feels weird to type that...)

Unfortunately I think Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day and Mickey's Speedway USA are all probably shit out of luck, the former two because they're M-Rated and the latter because it's owned by Disney and unlike GoldenEye, there isn't really that much interest or demand for it to come back.

Nintendo seriously needs to implement proper parental controls within NSO.

 

[storres]

i doubt there's any legal issues stopping earthbound/zero from being release at this point.

At some point, we have to point a finger at Nintendo.
Even if it's a monetary/rights things, the owner is willing to play ball for Smash.
Same thing with Square with the Mario RPG dude.

 

[HockeyBird]

i doubt there's any legal issues stopping earthbound/zero from being release at this point.

I don't think there are any legal issues but it might need to be negotiated on with each release since the game is not wholly owned by Nintendo. They probably don't have a contract to release it whenever and wherever.

 

[Mekanos]

At some point, we have to point a finger at Nintendo.
Even if it's a monetary/rights things, the owner is willing to play ball for Smash.
Same thing with Square with the Mario RPG dude.

I mean yes this is the heart of it: Nintendo is not willing to do whatever it takes to get the game on NSO. Speculation about a remake strikes me as wishful thinking.

 

[Josh5890]

Nintendo seriously needs to implement proper parental controls within NSO.

That will definitely become an issue if/when more systems are added to the service

 

[mazi]

itoi plays nice with nintendo. i mean sure nintendo has to pay some licensing fees but it's an important game in their history and nintendo should just pay what needs to be paid. i really miss wii u era desperate nintendo...

that is, unless they have some other ideas about how to release the game on switch (outside NSO) and are just waiting for the right time.

 

[storres]

I mean yes this is the heart of it: Nintendo is not willing to do whatever it takes to get the game on NSO. Speculation about a remake strikes me as wishful thinking.

Probably the budget for NSO is "small" and NSO is very down on the list of priorities

 

[carlosfilho]

If licensing issues prevent these games from being released on a subscription service, the other options would be remasters/remakes or an eShop release of the original games, selling them individually or as a Mother collection.

 

[storres]

If the licensing issues prevent these games from being released on a subscription service, the other options would be remasters/remakes or an eShop release of the original games, selling them individually or as a Mother collection.

Then they have people asking why do we pay for a sub model, if you going to continue selling old games for a set price?

 

[carlosfilho]

Then they have people asking why do we pay for a sub model, if you going to continue selling old games for a set price?

Yep, i agree. So if Nintendo really wants to do something with the series, either they release it this way while not caring for the uproar that would certainly follow, or they go for a more ambitious project, like remakes or remasters. Difficult to say.

 

[Dragoncaine]

Chapter 7 was the highlight of the game. The final dungeon was decent but it definitely suffered from “JRPG final dungeon syndrome” in that it was longer than it needed to be.

Chapter 7 is a perfect mix of atmosphere, dungeons, puzzles, mystery/intrigue, and a killer chapter boss. Lightning in a bottle.

 

[Mekanos]

Chapter 7 was the highlight of the game. The final dungeon was decent but it definitely suffered from “JRPG final dungeon syndrome” in that it was longer than it needed to be.

Chapter 7 is probably my favorite ice/snow "level" in any video game.

 

[Derachi]

I’ll say it again: Itoi’s company Hobonichi sells a TON of Mother merch all the time. EarthBound has been re-released on 3DS, Wii U and SNES Classic.

The only two possible reasons I could see EarthBound being held back are

1) they’re doing an HD remake of this (and maybe Mother 3, I’ll talk about this is a second)

2) it’s behind “break in case of PR emergency” glass

 

[HockeyBird]

What type of PR emergency would require Earthbound? In what situation would Nintendo ever think "Oh, we are embroiled in controversy. Time to pull out that niche Super Nintendo RPG!"?

 

[mazi]

I’ll say it again: Itoi’s company Hobonichi sells a TON of Mother merch all the time. EarthBound has been re-released on 3DS, Wii U and SNES Classic.

The only two possible reasons I could see EarthBound being held back are

1) they’re doing an HD remake of this (and maybe Mother 3, I’ll talk about this is a second)

2) it’s behind “break in case of PR emergency” glass

3) they want to release all 3 games at once, and that requires GBA online to be released first

 

[Dinoman96]

What type of PR emergency would require Earthbound? In what situation would Nintendo ever think "Oh, we are embroiled in controversy. Time to pull out that niche Super Nintendo RPG!"?

That's kinda what happened in the Wii U era hahaha

 

[Mandos]

I absolutely don't have a problem.

help

I grabbed the castle on sale last week, turning it into a display for all my characters packs the main thing I grt

 

[HockeyBird]

"Furukawa-san, details of our drug smuggling operation have leaked online. A dead prostitute was found in Bill Trinen's hotel room. Someone photographed you literally stealing candy from a baby. What your plans? How will we get out of this crisis?"

"It is our darkest hour. The time has finally come. Open the vault and press the button! Release Doshin the Giant onto the eShop!"

 

[Red Monster]

Nah, the best conversations will be "Is Nintendo going to show and 2023 games this June?"

Never fails.

Of course they will! Unless you don’t expect them to show off BotW2 in June?

 

[Tangerine_Cookie]

I grabbed the castle on sale last week, turning it into a display for all my characters packs the main thing I grt

I might be the single adult that's actually buying these to actually play with them, and I feel okay about this lol

I have the airship and it might legitimately be one of my favorite lego sets ever made.

 

[mariodk18]

So I realize I'm getting ahead of myself here, but GBA and GC will probably be on an even higher tier than the current NSO+ right? I'm thinking $70/year minimum (probably $80) in 2 years at the earliest. Also, do we think it's possible for them to add another 3rd party system, like PC Engine or something else?

 

[Mandos]

Well messing with the mandolin again. Now what’d be some fun video game themes to try on it… that wouldn’t be hell. Tho Green Greens is tempting

I might be the single adult that's actually buying these to actually play with them, and I feel okay about this lol

I have the airship and it might legitimately be one of my favorite lego sets ever made.

I just really like the characters so I’ve mainly been getting the packs. The airship is on my get before it retires list if I have the budget though. But like I said right now I’m turning Bowser’s castle into a display for the characters. It’s a fun line

So I realize I'm getting ahead of myself here, but GBA and GC will probably be on an even higher tier than the current NSO+ right? I'm thinking $70/year minimum (probably $80) in 2 years at the earliest. Also, do we think it's possible for them to add another 3rd party system, like PC Engine or something else?

Game cube would be a special situation due to file size. Game boy advance is perfectly possible in the current expansion pack tier. Wouldn’t rule out PC Engine

 

[Pineapple]

It was not a good idea to start AI:SF at 10PM last night, stayed up way too late after getting hooked almost immediately and am dragging hard today. Been a while since I did that!

Oh well, bring on the coffee!

I remember when I started playing this, I went for 8 straight hours and my friend made fun of me.

A year later he played it and played it for 7 hours straight when he first started. lol

 

[Dinoman96]

I would think GBA games would be for the Expansion Pack while GB games would be for base NSO

But knowing Nintendo they'll just make GB games available only for the EP lmao

 

[mariodk18]

Game cube would be a special situation due to file size. Game boy advance is perfectly possible in the current expansion pack tier. Wouldn’t rule out PC Engine

Yeah, I imagine if there is GC on NSO++, then you would manually download titles to play. GC games are like a gig a piece, which would add up pretty quickly. Then again, I feel like they would do 1 GC game per month at best and supplement with GBA games in between.

 

[Mekanos]

GCN games won't be on NSO anytime soon, if ever.

 

[Josh5890]

So I realize I'm getting ahead of myself here, but GBA and GC will probably be on an even higher tier than the current NSO+ right? I'm thinking $70/year minimum (probably $80) in 2 years at the earliest. Also, do we think it's possible for them to add another 3rd party system, like PC Engine or something else?

GBC should be at the same price tier as GB since they are technically the same generation. GBA will no doubt be a different price point.

As for other systems., Sega seems like the obvious pick but their other systems are probably unlikely to get added.

• Master System- Sega has been doing the Sega Ages series so I doubt they will throw a bunch of those games on the NSO.
• 32X- Is there anything even worthwhile that isn't a licensing nightmare.
• CD- There are a few gems that are cool, but is it worth the leg work?
• Saturn- We know there are some gems we would kill for, but the technical work involved would make it prohibitive if it is even possible.
• Dreamcast- If/when Gamecube games get on the system, I could see Dreamcast getting added. Probably a long way off though.

Other systems are probably a pipe dream TBH. The Wii Virtual Console had Turbografix, PC Engine, Commodore 64, and NeoGeo, but most of those probably have very little demand. Neo Geo has the arcade archives brand anyway.

 

[Brofield]

So I realize I'm getting ahead of myself here, but GBA and GC will probably be on an even higher tier than the current NSO+ right? I'm thinking $70/year minimum (probably $80) in 2 years at the earliest. Also, do we think it's possible for them to add another 3rd party system, like PC Engine or something else?

If Nintendo EP was just N64 and Sega Genesis, I imagine it would have been a lot cheaper from the get go, even if Sega wanted more licensing money.

My hope and optimism (will be the death of me) leads me to think that this is a precautionary fee to lump in future GBA and GC games under the EP. GBA games got no problem fitting into a single app, but GC games due to their file size will need to be downloaded on an individual basis. Not to mention I wonder how long this separate tier of NSO subscription will last; I don't think they want to confuse people with three tiers of online given the public's non-committal 'meh' to the Wii U branding, so they better keep the EP at the price it's at and not increase it for a long time to come.

I also just learned that everyone saying PC Engine meant the TurboGrafx-16 so now it makes a whole lot more sense in my head than 'Why would Nintendo put 1990's PC CD-ROM games like Jazz Jackrabbit on Switch?' lol

 

[Tangerine_Cookie]

I just really like the characters so I’ve mainly been getting the packs. The airship is on my get before it retires list if I have the budget though. But like I said right now I’m turning Bowser’s castle into a display for the characters. It’s a fun line

Keep an eye on the Lego.com store because they randomly do discounts and "buy three get one free". Is how I got the Airship, I ordered some sets with a friend and split the savings.

 

[Xaltmas]

GCN games won't be on NSO anytime soon, if ever.

Agreed. I think there's too many of them worth remastering before they'd throw them up on NSO.

 

[mariodk18]

So then do we think NSO+ is the final tier addition? I can see them doing one more above it and calling it "NSO Deluxe" or something. Maybe $80-$120 a year for everything up to Wii & DS and several other third party systems?

 

[Mekanos]

So then do we think NSO+ is the final tier addition? I can see them doing one more above it and calling it "NSO Deluxe" or something. Maybe $80-$120 a year for everything up to Wii & DS and several other third party systems?

For the Switch's lifetime? Yes. They'll add on GB/GBC and maybe GBA, and that'll be it.

 

[Josh5890]

So then do we think NSO+ is the final tier addition? I can see them doing one more above it and calling it "NSO Deluxe" or something. Maybe $80-$120 a year for everything up to Wii & DS and several other third party systems?

I could see that happening, but not until several years into the future at least.

 

[Dinoman96]

Agreed. I think there's too many of them worth remastering before they'd throw them up on NSO.

How many GCN games do you think would get remastered, exactly?

We already did get Sunshine through 3D All Stars, Luigi's Mansion already got stranded on the 3DS, the Wii U remasters of Wind Waker and Twilight Princess will prolly hit Switch when they feel like it, Metroid Prime 1 seems to be in the works...but what else?

I don't see Melee, Animal Crossing, and Double Dash getting that treatment for obvious reasons. And sadly I just don't think the likes of Chibi-Robo!, F-Zero GX, Custom Robo, Wario World, both Star Fox games, Mario Strikers, etc are really popular or notable enough to get a full blown remaster.

I guess Paper Mario TTYD would make sense, but considering how Nintendo manages the Mario IP these days, I don't think they'd want to touch that.

 

[Red Monster]

Nintendo Switch Offline

 

[Josh5890]

How many GCN games do you think would get remastered, exactly?

We already did get Sunshine through 3D All Stars, Luigi's Mansion already got stranded on the 3DS, the Wii U remasters of Wind Waker and Twilight Princess will prolly hit Switch when they feel like it, Metroid Prime 1 seems to be in the works...but what else?

I don't see Melee, Animal Crossing, and Double Dash getting that treatment for obvious reasons. And sadly I just don't think the likes of Chibi-Robo!, F-Zero GX, Custom Robo, Wario World, both Star Fox games, Mario Strikers, etc are really popular or notable enough to get a full blown remaster.

I guess Paper Mario TTYD would make sense, but considering how Nintendo manages the Mario IP these days, I don't think they'd want to touch that.

Besides the ones you mentioned.

• Prime 2
• Pikmin 1 & 2
• Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
• Eternal Darkness (lol)

Some of tose ones you mentioned are decent candidates too.

 

[Red Monster]

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