For their own games sake: Not very much as they normally run stable so there's little benefit.
I have no strong opinion about this, but leaning against. For product differentiation/ form factor reasons.I still think they'll reuse the OLED Dock
The front and rear of the OLED Model's Dock with LAN Port have detachable plates, so we could get them doing both. Reusing the core design, ventilation and circuitry, with a front plate bearing a new logo, or even shape.
Damn I never knew the switch Oled used HDMI 2.0, I always thought it was 1.4.
It’s becoming clear that the Oled switch was meant to be a Pro version of the switch, but was cancelled because of the chip shortage, COVID and the switch still selling phenomenally.
I'm sorry, but that isn't clear at all, and the chip shortage likely had nothing to do with it. Tegra X1+ was the only SOC on the table and OLED Model used it, there was no significant shortage of Tegra X1+. If anything the shortage affected the additional new components for the improved output capabilities that were never used, and those were the weakest links and still got included.
We have been in the dooming phase for 3 years now... With short interludes in which we trusted insiders who gave us fake news...
Interesting, thanks for the well worded response.
I don't think this is all that impossible situation given the Game Boy, and how software and technology has plateaued a lot.
I think that's we mix up. What is Nintendo stance on graphics and performance. Nintendo will always give us a very great presentation for a game but never sacrifice or severely limit performance for the presentation. Like a lot of people said here. If Nintendo can fo 4K 60, fine, but if they have to go 1080p60 they certainly will over 4k 30 and below.
This has gotten hostile, and it's partially my fault, I apologize for how hard I came down last night.
I tried to be "fair" by comparing games of comparable scope and setting. The style difference between Prime and Quake 4 is huge, but "space + FPS" was what I was going for. Or open world fantasy.
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I can never get the dooming phase. If it was like 15 years ago, maybe. Now? No Nintendo is more connected with their audience. They understand what they need to do to keep that audience. Switch 2 is good enough. Hopefully it will have better online experience than the Switch. That would make it near the PS5 and Xbox online experience but cheaper.
I’ve guesstimated that the Switch 3 will be peak handheld technology and what comes next is AR/VR
I think he's got a point in that although Nintendo's rendering pipeline is as reasonably modern as it gets, it is running at the absolute worst conditions it could possibly be running on and even with that, performance and IQ consistently suffers with first party and third party alike. Those 0.4 TFLOPS are being stretched very thin across the board which led to everything else taking a hit to allow said rendering techniques at the first place (geometry, lightning models, textures, alpha effects due to memory bandwidth, etc). This led to objectively more advanced games and better futureproofing, but major structural compromises reminding you more of the PS360 over any the following two gens... With the specs that are known, i'm confident those days are finally over.
That seems opposite to the point of not wanting to move on to new hardware because it will increase development complexity, if they're already facing the development complexities without all the benefits.
That's precisely why many people in here have argued against this generational leap, it doesn't make sense in any case. Of course development complexity will be increasing, but their current constraints are already just as severe pretty much running PBR and all the techniques that entail it with an 0.4 TFLOP GPU (at best). One thing doesn't invalidate the other.
Tired of waiting for these GDC talks to show up somewhere I can watch them!Alex on DF Weekly talked about Ubisoft Massive's GDC presentations (which aren't available for free) on ray tracing and has some insight on the costs
- tlas is built on the cpu on consoles due to API differences
- Snowdrop is using a custom RT API for Avatar due to the console RT API not being completed when development started
- skinned models aren't in the BVH
- on pc, software RT mode uses the custom RT API
- the hardware RT mode favors Nvidia and Intel
- Snowdrop uses multiple variations of tracing, each one adding more detail that the other missed
- screen space initially, then hit-based, then ddgi-styled probes
- Massive shown off performance comparisons of just the probe tracing between the Series Duo and an RTX 4080
- with just a 1440p and 1/4 RT res, RT cost 15ms+ along. after optimizations, cost 7ms+
- while Nixxes likes to pull data over the PCIe bus, which can cause thrashing, Massive wants to pull at little as possible and keep data in vram
- this lead to there not being any texture settings in Snowdrop as every texture is handled and streamed on a per mip basis
- at the lowest quality, 4GB is needed for textures
- Massive is looking into implementing Sampler Feedback for better texture streaming
- reflections use variable rate shading to vary RT reflection quality
Periodic planned incremental performance upgrades to the basic design. With each and every upgrade measurably and discernably better than the previous one.
But that would require mobile hardware improvements.
The reason why I'm antsy about the successor is because of what Nintendo could accomplish from it. Switch is an amazing portable, but in terms of a "ceiling" Nintendo has available to them, it's not a big leap over Wii U, which had set their prior "ceiling". And that released back in 2012, over a decade ago. With the Switch successor, that ceiling is going to shoot way up. We've seen what 3rd-parties could do with a higher ceiling for a while, but we've never seen what Nintendo could do.I've just been anxious to see the new system because I believe it will be a rather significant upgrade over what we have today and so the anxiety from all the years of waiting sometimes kicks in and floods out into words on a text prompt. I hope like many others we won't have to wait much longer to finally get some information on this new system. Nintendo certainly kept us waiting!
they're gonna hit the wall very fast
I can't agree so much with this.
Do screen and battery upgrades count for the purposes of this question? If you can't do much about the power, might as well offer improved presentation and battery life to entice continued hardware purchases over that period.
Simple. They won’t. Hardware power won‘t be the focus for what comes after NG. They‘ll continue to innovate in other ways. Also we can’t accurately predict what breakthroughs in the chip industry’ll happen in the next 7 years. And if it has a 12 year lifecycle, which I highly doubt, they‘ll just continue to innovate with games utilizing their innovative (both accessorie- and built-in-) hardware.
there are other denoisers one can use that have varying costs
the inverse hasn't been shown either. especially when IQ is a "to taste" quality. and considering there are example of RTGI on weaker hardware, solutions exist, just might not be the ones Massive used for these builds
I think hes talking about handheld, with it being the lowest common denominator. Docked is most of the time going to be just more pixels.
It will be much powerful than SD also in handheld, is some hard pessimistism to said something like that, SD CPU is like 4 cores of Zen2 and GPU is 1.0-1.6 teraflops depends how you will clock that
It'll depend, for example Sege genesis was faster than the SNES.
Also the Steam Deck is a PC. I bet a modded Switch 2 would blow it out of the water (with similar battery life).
The fact that it will use its hardware differently and have bespoke ports was one of the things he mentioned, and that’s fair, but unless he was solely talking about handheld mode I just find him dismissing the idea that Switch 2 will be more powerful pretty weird. If it was weaker than Deck in docked that’d be a pretty sad generational leap. Considering the discussion was about the hardware’s power I find it weird that he wouldn’t mention he’s only talking about handheld mode, especially when one of the other comparison points in the discussion was Series S.
I mean... When the Switch was launched, it was the most powerful handheld of it's time, wouldn't be surprised if we saw the same thing happening, since the Mobile market i think is stagnating with power.
By all rights, Nintendo wants the Switch 2 to not melt in the hands of its user, so underclocking it to the point of the device remaining stable makes sense, and thus being slightly more power/equal to the Steam Deck makes a lot of sense. It's worth understanding that this absolutely does not mean that the Switch 2 is underpowered by any sort of stretch. The docked version of the Switch 2 should prove that without any sort of counterpoint that the device is far more powerful than the Steam Deck, and there's a lot of innate perks that will likely make the Switch 2 more powerful when in handheld (namely the ARM architecture, Standardised DLSS, RT Cores etc.)
Valid, but i think Natively the Switch 2 and Steam deck might be on a similar level (If we're being pessimistic) but, just with DLSS, the Switch 2 will blow the steam deck out of the water.
Great point and another great example. I remember watching the analysis from DF not all that long ago and was quite impressed.
I mean I said “sure” to it potentially being weaker in handheld, my entire point is that it’s weird that he doesn’t buy it being stronger in general. He might have just meant handheld, but he didn’t really say that.
