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StarTopic Nintendo Direct Speculation |ST6| It’s Prime Time For Some More Wonderful Speculation! (Spoiler Crowd, Remain In This Thread Until The Direct Ends!)

What Metroid Prime Games Are Showing Up At The Next Nintendo Direct?

  • Metroid Prime 4! I #trusttheprocess.

  • Metroid Prime 2! I #trusttheprocess.

  • Metroid Prime 2 and 3! I #trusttheprocess.

  • Metroid Prime 2 and 4! I #trusttheprocess.

  • Metroid Prime 2, 3, and 4! I #trusttheprocess.

  • No Numbered Games, But Something New And / Or Cool! I #trusttheprocess.

  • I #trusttheprocess, but it will test us with nothing for now.

  • The process has forsaken us and I have forsaken it.

  • Only Metroid Prime Federation Force HD For Some Reason.

  • Just A Random JPEG Of Sylux In HD.

  • Nothing, Not Even Metroid Prime Pinball. Crocomire Is Still Dead. Just Endless Despair.

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I want to believe Metroid Prime 4 is gonna be the closer to this direct (not much else at this point can be) but we've waited so long it just doesn't feel like a real possibility.

That being said, I'm certain Metroid is showing up in some capacity here. If we don't see MP4, we'll see MP2, and maybe even MP3.
 
Interesting how a year ago, I wouldn’t have cared about FE4 remake in the slightest.

Engage changed me. Then I played 3H and my fandom was further solidified. Now I see the light. Please Nintendo. GIVE ME MORE FE
 
chocolate_supra said:
I expect it to be similar to Arlo's reaction to Dread:

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Completely understandable reaction, and not so far from my own. I still remember that day well, and being slightly drunk in the middle of the Direct (don't judge, I wasn't working that day). Needless to say, the reveal of Metroid 5 being not only real, but called Metroid Dread sobered me up quick. When I woke up earlier that morning, I didn't expect the game I'd been waiting on for two decades to finally show up. I'm sure my good friend @Metroid also remembers that reveal well.

I recall the scramble to pre-order the Special Edition and amiibo. I went with the SE, Dread amiibo, and Ridley reprint from GameStop, and a vanilla copy of the game and the Dark Samus reprint from Best Buy. Months later, Famiboards launched, and I got to post the Metroid Dread ST. That was our first major game launch together as a community, and we're still going strong today. The Process had indeed come through, and it was a warm and memorable occasion.

Good times. Trust The Process!
 
Fire emblem stories are usually carried by their characters, but when you start looking at the story itself it’s as deep as puddle in most games, even in the stories that I like, like fe3, fe5, fe6 and three houses.
That’s probably why I’m not so harsh on engage story, it’s an harmless shonen anime story with a couple of good moments and some funny and cringy stuff. Let’s just say that Xenoblade this series ain’t. Of course if they finally make a really good story I will be there 100% but I don’t think the way fire emblem games are structured is ideal for making a good compelling story.
 
FE4's story isn't perfect, but I really think a great remake could easily turn it into the GOAT FE story. There are so many things that can be improved on and expanded on, so many new things that could be added, plus non-canon material such as the mangas that can be incorporated into the remake somehow. Plus, this game will have the benefit of being a modern game with modern production values rather than being a crusty SNES game lol. I really hope IS leans into FE4's cult status as this super dark and messed up game, it could really make the story even better and more memorable if done well imo. Not to mention, I think it would help give the game more attention.

That aside, If they make enough good changes and additions to both the story (and characters) and gameplay with the remake, it could end up being the best FE of all time, and perhaps one of the best games of all time imo.

And I haven't even talked about the OST! The original FE4 already had a great soundtrack as is, so if the composers can take that and remake it at a similar or even higher level of quality as Echoes, it will absolutely without question be the best FE OST by far, and one of the best OST's of all time.
 
KoopFlumpyBurger said:
You know even if the direct is average or lame, I just hope that it can give me some good titles to look forward to. There have been some directs in the past that I genuinely didn’t like but they had some titles I liked so if this direct doesn’t live up to my expectations then I hope I can find a title to be interested.
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I think the worst direct in recent memory was last September's farming direct and it still had a lot of bits to like. I'm not too concerned about it. Perhaps the only thing that might show is the fact the software pipeline would inevitably be drying up for Switch 2
 
AngryAlchemist said:
This isn't me trolling so hopefully it doesn't come off that way - but what FE story isn't overrated? Or more like what FE story is worth the hype? Genuinely asking for guidance on this since I'd like to delve deeper into the games. I've played Awakening and Three Houses almost all the way through, and a little bit of Fates, Echoes, Path of Radiance and FE6. I definitely don't think I have enough experience to make a value judgment on those last two, though from the few hours I've played they were incredibly basic story wise. Three Houses had some cool characters but I don't know if I'd say it had a "good story" and it felt like I largely missed out on a lot of the more interesting story beats thanks to picking the Golden Deer. Fates story is trash from what I've played and I don't expect it to change either.

Honestly the only ones that I thought were fairly compelling were Awakening, which gets shit on for its story by the fanbase anyways and is more of an anime popcorn flick, and Echoes which from what I played is genuinely very good but the gameplay isn't great. To me a good story usually requires more than just good characters or party banter and that's usually what FE excels at more than the story I'd say.

Edit: I should add I had a friend who played FE7 tell me I picked wrong starting with FE6 rather than FE7 as they felt FE7 was way more engaging, I was trying to go in GBA release order at the time so maybe that was a wrong call
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I think Path of Radiance has a much better story than the rest of the series for the most part, and honestly most video games as a whole though that might be a hot take. Radiant Dawn's is a bit disappointing in comparison but still very good compared to most of the rest of the series. Shadows of Valentia has good writing and the story is presented extremely damn well, though the story itself is kind of dry. Three Houses has a good but not great story, but a really likeable and fun cast of characters. I haven't played Thracia 776 but what I've seen of it sounds more promising than Genealogy.

The rest of the series is sort of a wash as far as stories go (I have a soft spot for FE7 but it's objectively just okay), but Genealogy has a lot of problems beyond story.
 
Tab said:
My take was only nuclear hot in tone, even plenty of dyed in the wool Genealogy stans would admit that the gameplay isn't very good these days. The hotter take was me saying I think the story is overrated. And that I do think you could chalk up to limitations of being on the SNES, though I think it does get undue praise just for being dark, with incest and child sacrifice! The actual storytelling isn't very good in my opinion, and the individual characters get little to no screen time, which is bad in a game that from a gameplay standpoint wants you to care about romance between characters and parent-child relationships.
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I can see the 1st Gen being seen positively story-wise in a remake.

It's the 2nd Gen where things get a bit muddy, particularly if you don't pair up certain mothers by the end of the 1st Gen.
 
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Thracia does a really excellent job of conveying the desperation of the plot through it's gameplay, but it inherits some issues from Genealogy on account of it being an interlude to it's two halves.
Bullwine85 said:
I can see the 1st Gen being seen positively story-wise in a remake.

It's the 2nd Gen where things get a bit muddy, particularly if you don't pair up certain mothers by the end of the 1st Gen.
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I agree, Genealogy's first half is much better than the second. A lot of the aforementioned issues that I mentioned Thracia inherits stem from the Loptyrians being very generically evil dragon cult villains. Which isn't as much of an issue in the first half where they're more of a background element.
 
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The biggest issue with Fire Emblem Holy War's story in a potential remake is that IS's writing staff is extremely bad.

One issue with Engage having been held back so many years is that any new game is years into development and they didn't receive fan feedback about Engage until very recently.

I wouldn't be surprised if Engage's very muted reception forced huge rewrites that leads to a much later release date than originally leaked.
 
GamerJM said:
Weirdly I don't like Metroid at all, but I'm kinda hyped for a period of time where Prime 4 is the big Nintendo game and I can kinda focus on backlog/smaller releases/a big game on a non-Nintendo console. When Dread came out I was enjoying FF6 for the first time and playing Great Ace Attorney and it felt nice knowing I could just play other games and not feel like I was missing out on something (since everything I saw of Dread did not make it look up my alley, but I was glad everyone else seemed to be having fun with it).
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You might be right, I could use time to play through my PC backlog. Maybe grab a couple months of gamepass and enjoy the wait? I can't imagine we won't see something exciting by February
 
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Nate's done hinting about the date y'all lol



I get it though, I've been so annoyed just scrolling through Twitter today because people wanted an announcement today and have lost hope 🙃
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The biggest issue with Fire Emblem Holy War's story in a potential remake is that IS's writing staff is extremely bad.

One issue with Engage having been held back so many years is that any new game is years into development and they didn't receive fan feedback about Engage until very recently.

I wouldn't be surprised if Engage's very muted reception forced huge rewrites that leads to a much later release date than originally leaked.
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Wasn't Three Houses story received extremely well?
 
LuckyNumber69 said:
I mean, I don't really see why there's "no way" it was developed by IS. We honestly have more evidence that it's IS than Koei Tecmo.

First of all, assuming the "Iron18" in Engage's datamine is indeed the FE4 remake, that would imply it started development around the same time that Three Houses and Engage did, since we already know 3H and Engage were developed simultaneously and 3H is "Iron17" while Engage is "Iron19". So I don't think Koei Tecmo would be given two mainline FE's to work on at the same time, whereas the actual FE studio working on two games at once is more plausible.

Second — and probably the strongest piece of evidence — is the fact that based off the single "Iron18" mention in Engage's files, it seems like "Iron18" may have been a Unity-developed game like Engage, which would obviously imply that it was developed by IS since Engage was, and KT has their own in-house engine.

Third. I believe Nate himself has mentioned before that the game is developed by IS. Granted, he also said Engage was developed by KT which was incorrect, but even Emily said that so I assume whoever the original source of the info was just jumping to conclusions based off the artstyle looking vaguely like a Gust game.

Fourth (and this isn't really "evidence, but...), I just can't see IS outsourcing a remake, especially of Genealogy of the Holy War of all things. It's just too important of a game imo, and would look bad on IS's part if they just shrugged and farmed it out to KT. Again, it's not really actual evidence though, just my opinion lol.

That said, the evidence in favor of IS also assumes that "Iron18" is 1) a separate game, and 2) a FE4 remake.
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Man this is weird as hell. If FEs 17 and 19 were being worked on simultaneously, would that not imply that 18 would've been as well? It's already screwy that 19 released after 18, but this would mean that they started two internal projects and one external project, got the external project out first, spent another three years on the second internal project, and are now finishing the first internal one. Never mind "why is 18 after 19," why start three projects at once like that at all? Clearly they knew they weren't going to be able to do all of them internally, hence contracting KT for 3H, but then why are they still doing two games internally? Why do they need more time to finish the remake than the original title? Who do they think they are, Game Freak?

Are we sure the datamined FE18 is supposed to be the rumored Genealogy remake? KT may not be a great fit to do it, but there's no reason another studio couldn't have taken it on. It's also possible that Genealogy remake is FE20 and FE18 refers to a canceled project, which would help explain why IntSys went six years between internally developed FEs
 
9-Volt said:
We'll never get FE4R, Monolith works on other stuff now. WB should at least give us the full trilogy though (I know you meant Fire Emblem)
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Trepang 2 is close. But i played F.E.A.R again recently this year (its 60 fps on series x), and by god its still one the best first person shooters ever made
 
A direct Thursday night (that's when I'll be able to watch at least), then just get through Friday and enjoy the weekend. Looks good to me!
 
NewPueblo said:
I want to believe Metroid Prime 4 is gonna be the closer to this direct (not much else at this point can be) but we've waited so long it just doesn't feel like a real possibility.

That being said, I'm certain Metroid is showing up in some capacity here. If we don't see MP4, we'll see MP2, and maybe even MP3.
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I really hope that if there is no Prime 4 that we get Prime 2 and 3 at the same time. That would help a lot actually, and then it makes the countdown go much faster having the whole trilogy out of the way.

Having only Prime 2 show up (despite that being my prediction) would be strange.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The biggest issue with Fire Emblem Holy War's story in a potential remake is that IS's writing staff is extremely bad.

One issue with Engage having been held back so many years is that any new game is years into development and they didn't receive fan feedback about Engage until very recently.

I wouldn't be surprised if Engage's very muted reception forced huge rewrites that leads to a much later release date than originally leaked.
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honestly im impressed be FE fans.

they showed IS they cant just phone it in and be done for the games of the series.

obviously engage was a product of love, but it was really badly implemented and written, only the gameplay saved it (even then the difficulty is just enemy spam)
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The biggest issue with Fire Emblem Holy War's story in a potential remake is that IS's writing staff is extremely bad.

One issue with Engage having been held back so many years is that any new game is years into development and they didn't receive fan feedback about Engage until very recently.

I wouldn't be surprised if Engage's very muted reception forced huge rewrites that leads to a much later release date than originally leaked.
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I haven't played it, but I thought people liked the writing in Shadows of Valentia. Is that not a common opinion, or did they not write that?
 
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Apopheniac said:
Man this is weird as hell. If FEs 17 and 19 were being worked on simultaneously, would that not imply that 18 would've been as well? It's already screwy that 19 released after 18, but this would mean that they started two internal projects and one external project, got the external project out first, spent another three years on the second internal project, and are now finishing the first internal one. Never mind "why is 18 after 19," why start three projects at once like that at all? Clearly they knew they weren't going to be able to do all of them internally, hence contracting KT for 3H, but then why are they still doing two games internally? Why do they need more time to finish the remake than the original title? Who do they think they are, Game Freak?

Are we sure the datamined FE18 is supposed to be the rumored Genealogy remake? KT may not be a great fit to do it, but there's no reason another studio couldn't have taken it on. It's also possible that Genealogy remake is FE20 and FE18 refers to a canceled project, which would help explain why IntSys went six years between internally developed FEs
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Yeah idk, my best guess is that the huge success of Awakening, Fates, and Heroes (plus the modest success of Echoes) convinced Nintendo to greenlight three separate mainline FE projects all at once back in 2017. Perhaps the success of Heroes and Echoes in particular is what convinced Nintendo to greenlight Engage and FE4R lol.

And tbf, Engage finished back in the Summer of 2021, and was originally supposed to finish and release in 2020 before Covid screwed everything up. So even though there was a six year release gap between internally developed FE games, in terms of the development gap, it was actually four, and originally just three.

And no, we don't know for sure what Iron18 actually is, it's just assumed that it's the FE4 remake due to the rumors.
 
I don’t understand why I’m getting so hyped up for this direct, like idek what I’m looking forward to. Maybe it’s the fact that idk what’s coming, Metroid Prime 4? It sounds like it’ll be amazing for most people here but for me I’m just like okay? I don’t wanna play it until I’ve played the other 3, there’s gonna be no Zelda news, no Mario news other than maybe SMRPG, I never played F-Zero other than the SNES version and i’ve never played Star Fox, BUT IM STILL SO DAMN EXCITED. WHAT HATH THEE DONE TO MINE HEART NINTENDO?!
 
theguy said:
I don’t understand why I’m getting so hyped up for this direct, like idek what I’m looking forward to. Maybe it’s the fact that idk what’s coming, Metroid Prime 4? It sounds like it’ll be amazing for most people here but for me I’m just like okay? I don’t wanna play it until I’ve played the other 3, there’s gonna be no Zelda news, no Mario news other than maybe SMRPG, I never played F-Zero other than the SNES version and i’ve never played Star Fox, BUT IM STILL SO DAMN EXCITED. WHAT HATH THEE DONE TO MINE HEART NINTENDO?!
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Have you never played the Prime Trilogy before. Oh man, to experience them for the first time is a treat. Share your thoughts one day when you do finish them!
 
LuckyNumber69 said:
And tbf, Engage finished back in the Summer of 2021, and was originally supposed to finish and release in 2020 before Covid screwed everything up. So even though there was a six year release gap between internally developed FE games, in terms of the development gap, it was actually four, and originally just three.
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I guess that makes sense if the timeline reads as 2017: SoV, 2021: Engage, 2024: FE4R. That's a reasonable, linear timeline for IntSys FE development. It would definitely be incompatible with the datamined Iron18 being currently under development as a 2024 release, though
 
Aurc said:
Completely understandable reaction, and not so far from my own. I still remember that day well, and being slightly drunk in the middle of the Direct (don't judge, I wasn't working that day). Needless to say, the reveal of Metroid 5 being not only real, but called Metroid Dread sobered me up quick. When I woke up earlier that morning, I didn't expect the game I'd been waiting on for two decades to finally show up. I'm sure my good friend @Metroid also remembers that reveal well.

I recall the scramble to pre-order the Special Edition and amiibo. I went with the SE, Dread amiibo, and Ridley reprint from GameStop, and a vanilla copy of the game and the Dark Samus reprint from Best Buy. Months later, Famiboards launched, and I got to post the Metroid Dread ST. That was our first major game launch together as a community, and we're still going strong today. The Process had indeed come through, and it was a warm and memorable occasion.

Good times. Trust The Process!
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It’s crazy how good just seeing Metroid feels.

Like, Prime 4 was literally a jpeg. Dread’s first trailer wasn’t even that good (aside from the initial “Metroid 5” to Dread reveal and Samus new suit reveal, it was pretty much a chase sequence with bad music). But both just had me sooo giddy
 
Apopheniac said:
I guess that makes sense if the timeline reads as 2017: SoV, 2021: Engage, 2024: FE4R. That's a reasonable, linear timeline for IntSys FE development. It would definitely be incompatible with the datamined Iron18 being currently under development as a 2024 release, though
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Not necessarily. This wouldn't be the first time FE games were released out of development order. It's different since this case involved a handheld and a console game, but Sacred Stones is internally FE9 while Path of Radiance is FE8, but Sacred Stones ended up releasing first and is thus considered FE8 in terms of release order while PoR is FE9.

As for why a remake would take longer than an original game, I wouldn't call Engage a very ambitious title. It's pretty basic and safe all things considered, while also being heavily dependent on the previous games in the series itself. The Genealogy remake could by comparison be far more ambitious despite being a remake, as regardless of my own opinion on it, it's still a highly regarded title that they would want to handle with care while still modernizing it to an extent that would make it acceptable to a modern audience.
 
Kartina said:
Fire emblem stories are usually carried by their characters, but when you start looking at the story itself it’s as deep as puddle in most games, even in the stories that I like, like fe3, fe5, fe6 and three houses.
That’s probably why I’m not so harsh on engage story, it’s an harmless shonen anime story with a couple of good moments and some funny and cringy stuff. Let’s just say that Xenoblade this series ain’t. Of course if they finally make a really good story I will be there 100% but I don’t think the way fire emblem games are structured is ideal for making a good compelling story.
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Man I really hated the conversation around Engage, to the point I simply muted the topic everywhere lol. But yeah, the series has always been carried by characters and for Engage I saw the story as the devs doing a good vs evil by the book story.

I do agree of the structure, even recent sprg like Triangle Strategy had a decent story (I quite like it) but it was the characters that we fantastic. So we shall see. I am super curious how FE4 will be received, but I will be there day 1.
 
BozPaggs said:
On a scale of "must be on the 2witch" to "this is impossible, not even PS5 games look this good", how unbelievably fucking beautiful will MP4 be on the Switch?
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What about "people will say it looks like trash because it's a Switch exclusive"? ;P

I'm counting it to be just as pretty as Prime Remastered, but not much above that.
 
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It’s crazy how good just seeing Metroid feels.

Like, Prime 4 was literally a jpeg. Dread’s first trailer wasn’t even that good (aside from the initial “Metroid 5” to Dread reveal and Samus new suit reveal, it was pretty much a chase sequence with bad music). But both just had me sooo giddy
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Yup! Prime 4's logo wasn't even a brand new original one, just an old trilogy asset along with a bad looking 4, but that reveal was still hype. Dread's trailer had poor music, and the graphics didn't leave me pleased at all, but c'mon man, this was Metroid Dread. I wasn't gonna let stuff like that get in the way of a glorious day.
 
SirShorse said:
Option 2, Retro are literally graphic gods
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Correct, they're gonna come up with some under the hood wizardry comparable to the ingenuity of the static effect in Prime

CyberWolfJV said:
What about "people will say it looks like trash because it's a Switch exclusive"? ;P

I'm counting it to her as pretty as Prime Remastered, but not much above that.
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There will always be fools.
Even just prettier than MPR will still be the best looking game on Switch
 
Tab said:
Not necessarily. This wouldn't be the first time FE games were released out of development order. It's different since this case involved a handheld and a console game, but Sacred Stones is internally FE9 while Path of Radiance is FE8, but Sacred Stones ended up releasing first and is thus considered FE8 in terms of release order while PoR is FE9.
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IntSys would've had two FE dev teams during that era and they seem to be down to one internal team now. I am skeptical that one team would've started Iron18, switched over to Iron19, and then returned to working on Iron18
 
BozPaggs said:
On a scale of "must be on the 2witch" to "this is impossible, not even PS5 games look this good", how unbelievably fucking beautiful will MP4 be on the Switch?
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It will technically look worse than MP:R since I'm sure they're going to go for larger environments and more involved gameplay mechanics. I think the detail of the levels themselves though are gonna be what wows everyone.

That and a bunch of immersive details... like maybe your suit will get sandy after walking though a desert, and won't get clean until you submerge yourself in water elsewhere. Stuff like that, which no one really ever thinks of.
 
BassForever said:
I would have rather Superstars gotten dlc then force all my friends to drop $60 on another version of Mp on the Switch.
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Aurc said:
I still remember that day well, and being slightly drunk in the middle of the Direct (don't judge, I wasn't working that day). Needless to say, the reveal of Metroid 5 being not only real, but called Metroid Dread sobered me up quick.
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See I had the opposite reaction: I went into the Direct sober and the Dread trailer got me drunk.

Aurc said:
Dread's trailer had poor music, and the graphics didn't leave me pleased at all, but c'mon man, this was Metroid Dread. I wasn't gonna let stuff like that get in the way of a glorious day.
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All Dread needed to do for me was "M E T R O I D . . . 5" and they fuckin did it.
The game actually being named "Dread" after all these years was just a cherry on top. And the rest of the trailer I couldn't have cared less about at that point. :ROFLMAO:
 
Shareholder Chad said:
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The only argument imo for a Superstars 2 on Switch would be if the game is primarily based upon Mario Part 5-7. The capsule system those games used would necessitate a change to the core game mechanics and would not gel with current Superstars.

Yes I realize in theory you could make a MP with multiple gameplay styles and unique maps for each, but as we saw with Super that would lead to each style feeling half baked.
 
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