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Pre-Release Pokémon Scarlet and Violet — Pre-release Discussion Thread (UPDATE: new trailer, see threadmarks)

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I'm loving everything I see.
It looks to be a major step up from Sword & Shield in every way and I even had really much fun with those games!
My only real critismis the lack of voice acting for the characters, but ... I'm hyped nonetheless.
 
MarcelRguez said:
There are a lot (and I do mean a lot) of possible reasons, but the one that jumps out to me as a translator is that púrpura is similar to escarlata in that they're both words derived from medieval Latin, whereas violeta derives from French (violette).


I thought this could be the reason too, but if I'm not mistaken morado is the more widespread term across all Spanish dialects, while violeta skews LatAm. Púrpura sounds less common than either to me, which could very well be reason enough to pick it for neutrality reasons.
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Sure, that could be a reason, but, I mean, both words actually exists: violet is violeta and púrpura would be translated as purple, so they even have phonetical and lexical similar translations - and violet is a common color too. The thing is... that they have let scarlett as escarlata, which is the propper one, even though that color is very rarely used, and they have changed the common one - using purple instead of violet.

So instead of translating Scarlett and Violet as Escarlata y Violeta, they have chosen Escarlata y... Púrpura, which I can't properly understand.
 
Dr_Phishshoe said:
Wouldnt be surprised if it was decided by the localisation team that violet is an obscure word and that purple is more recognisable.

I atleast know that in my language (no that isnt spanish) the equivalent of Scarlet is rarely if never used and i wouldnt be surprised if people didnt know it was a colour. However people do know violet tho...
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I'd say "violeta" is less obscure than "púrpura" in Spain (idk about LatAm). As others have pointed out, "morado" or even "lila" would also be more common, so who knows.

Shame it isn't morado, we could've had some cool memes with pokémon edición morad
 
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eli said:
Can you sum up said feeling because I'm not clicking an Arlo video..
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Jeeze, people sure are touchy about youtubers 🙄

He’s excited about the open world and multiplayer, disappointed about the apparent lack of features introduced in PLA, and thinks the graphics are fine but not good. Overall still hyped about the game.
 
Subrosian Link said:
Sure, that could be a reason, but, I mean, both words actually exists: violet is violeta and púrpura would be translated as purple, so they even have phonetical and lexical similar translations - and violet is a common color too. The thing is... that they have let scarlett as escarlata, which is the propper one, even though that color is very rarely used, and they have changed the common one - using purple instead of violet.

So instead of translating Scarlett and Violet as Escarlata y Violeta, they have chosen Escarlata y... Púrpura, which I can't properly understand.
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Yeah, I get it. I can sympathize with the choice made, however, since calling them escarlata y violeta does sounds weird to me.

I'd be curious to see if infrared and ultraviolet appear as important concepts in the game. If so, that would be enough justification to name it something closer to violet than purple.
 
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They localised them as Karmesin und Purpur in German, even though Violett is very much a thing, so avoiding violet seems to be a conscious choice.
 
I've always wanted Pokemon game names themed around Infrared and Ultraviolet, I think the legendaries will be themed not just on past and future / organic vs tech, but also the uses of infrared and ultraviolet radiation (thermal vision? lasers? :O).
 
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eli said:
I still need to see more(or reviews). Don't think I can make a good guesstimate based on the first two trailers on how I'll like this.
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Yeah, I feel like we're still in the dark about some of the most crucial aspects of this game.
 
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Subrosian Link said:
I can't get over the fact that, although it is Pokemon Spain, they have decided to change the name of the game for the spanish localization - it's not Pokémon Violet, but Pokémon Purple. Why tho?
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MarcelRguez said:
There are a lot (and I do mean a lot) of possible reasons, but the one that jumps out to me as a translator is that púrpura is similar to escarlata in that they're both words derived from medieval Latin, whereas violeta derives from French (violette).


I thought this could be the reason too, but if I'm not mistaken morado is the more widespread term across all Spanish dialects, while violeta skews LatAm. Púrpura sounds less common than either to me, which could very well be reason enough to pick it for neutrality reasons.
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Maybe another reason is that Violeta is used as a name while Púrpura is not. Same thing with Lila.
Latam Spanish has a lot of local variations regarding which words are more common than others, but media (specially mexican dubs) uses “international spanish”.
At least in Chile morado is a really common word and no one says violeta or púrpura in a normal conversation, but I can see púrpura as something that an international dub would say. Maybe, as you said, TPC chose it as a neutral option.

And according to this website another reason is the flag from spain’s second republic.

As a side note, this gen could have been a really good time to introduce a latin spanish localization but it seems they won’t do it in the near future. I guess we will keep our placajes, motes and enhorabuena for a while.

Red Monster said:
I know Arlo is controversial here, but I wanted to share his video about the trailer because I feel like it mirrors my own feelings so well.

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Why is he controversial? I don’t follow him but his videos appear from time to time on my youtube feed.
 
Falcatops said:
Maybe another reason is that Violeta is used as a name while Púrpura is not. Same thing with Lila.
Latam Spanish has a lot of local variations regarding which words are more common than others, but media (specially mexican dubs) uses “international spanish”.
At least in Chile morado is a really common word and no one says violeta or púrpura in a normal conversation, but I can see púrpura as something that an international dub would say. Maybe, as you said, TPC chose it as a neutral option.

And according to this website another reason is the flag from spain’s second republic.

As a side note, this gen could have been a really good time to introduce a latin spanish localization but it seems they won’t do it in the near future. I guess we will keep our placajes, motes and enhorabuena for a while.
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As much as I would enjoy GF positioning themselves in support of Spain becoming a Republic, I sincerely doubt they're into making overt political statements like that. The third color on that flag is often referred to as morado and not púrpura, anyway.

Chances are they either took the color from some other cultural element (Catholicism, grapes and wine, you name it), or from the same source the flag did (red representing Aragón, violet representing Castilla y León).
 
MarcelRguez said:
As much as I would enjoy GF positioning themselves in support of Spain becoming a Republic, I sincerely doubt they're into making overt political statements like that. The third color on that flag is often referred to as morado and not púrpura, anyway.

Chances are they either took the color from some other cultural element (Catholicism, grapes and wine, you name it), or from the same source the flag did (red representing Aragón, violet representing Castilla y León).
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I will say that spanish history is not my forte so color me surprised (hah!) discovering that GF taking the color from that specific flag can be a political controversy. The more you know 💫

And if in Spain they prefer to use morado over púrpura then GF’s choice is even more weird.
 
The new BOTW has no towns is SV has only one city, seen it thrown around way too much lol. My guess is we get 1 city for each gym equivalent with one major metropolis style city in the middle of the region
 
snikdasnek said:
The new BOTW has no towns is SV has only one city, seen it thrown around way too much lol. My guess is we get 1 city for each gym equivalent with one major metropolis style city in the middle of the region
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I support the only city theory because it means the only spanish canon city in the Pokemon universe would be Barcelona and that would make twitter mad lol
 
Red Monster said:
I know Arlo is controversial here, but I wanted to share his video about the trailer because I feel like it mirrors my own feelings so well.

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In case of anyone is asking questions:

No Arlo is not controversial in anyway, that was probably bad word choice from OP. But it's okay to dislike a youtuber in general. Puppets aren't for everyone and Arlo does just take the majority of the news from Nintendo Life or other sources and just make reaction videos relaying the news.

But color me surprised Arlo was pretty positive towards the game in the video.

I just feel so spoiled from Pokemon Arceus to see a game introduce concepts I wanted to for a very long time and were well implemented for a first go at it. But I feel like Scarlet and Violet more like a SwSh in response to all the rightful criticisms the game faced and building off those ideas.

I just want Legends Ho-Oh and or Legends Lugia just to go back to the gameplay mechanics Legends Arceus introduced and build upon them.
 
Falcatops said:
I will say that spanish history is not my forte so color me surprised (hah!) discovering that GF taking the color from that specific flag can be a political controversy. The more you know 💫

And if in Spain they prefer to use morado over púrpura then GF’s choice is even more weird.
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i would say this is more a wishful thinking from some people pushing agendas that are not pokemon related XD.

seeing as oranges and grapes are a focus on the game, i would go for that before some "obscure" flag

and regarding the choosing of purpura over violeta/morado/añil.... it just sounds better when pairing with the other, and specially it goes further apart from some pokemon clones/fanversions on internet (problably another reason)
 
Happy to see trainer battles back in a more traditional way. I hope there are more cities and towns than what we've seen. Love that we are back to the present-day setting.

I know people are high on Arceus, but I hope they cut out the mobile game-like repeatable tasks from that game. If I'm required to catch multiple of the same species of Pokemon to progress the story I'm probably not going to be able to finish this game.
 
BradenAndEggs said:
Happy to see trainer battles back in a more traditional way. I hope there are more cities and towns than what we've seen. Love that we are back to the present-day setting.

I know people are high on Arceus, but I hope they cut out the mobile game-like repeatable tasks from that game. If I'm required to catch multiple of the same species of Pokemon to progress the story I'm probably not going to be able to finish this game.
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Progressing the story took no time at all. Just catching and evolving Pokémon is enough to get you to the end of the game both times

As for towns, we barely seen two, so I think it's too early to worry about "BotW has no towns"
 
ILikeFeet said:
Progressing the story took no time at all. Just catching and evolving Pokémon is enough to get you to the end of the game both times
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I might be remembering incorrectly, but I remember having to catch more than my squad of six to progress. Getting "research points" or something like that. Wasn't into it.
 
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Watching the trailer again a few times. Gotta be honest I’m actually loving the art style. Some aliasing which I wish was straightened out but the characters have a lot of nice detail. The open world looks a little more polished than Arceus too.

It’s a shame the trailer just doesn’t reveal much at all. I think for this I just need to watch 10 straight minutes of gameplay.

Also hoping for some more clever places for Pokémon to be, rather than just walking around in a wide open cave.
 
Ereineon said:
i would say this is more a wishful thinking from some people pushing agendas that are not pokemon related XD.

seeing as oranges and grapes are a focus on the game, i would go for that before some "obscure" flag

and regarding the choosing of purpura over violeta/morado/añil.... it just sounds better when pairing with the other, and specially it goes further apart from some pokemon clones/fanversions on internet (problably another reason)
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I checked the website I linked and it’s from Colombia, so they aren’t pushing any agenda. Most people in Latam countries don’t care about Spain’s politics. My bet is that maybe they knew the flag from history class in school or something.
 
Falcatops said:
I checked the website I linked and it’s from Colombia, so they aren’t pushing any agenda. Most people in Latam countries don’t care about Spain’s politics. My bet is that maybe they knew the flag from history class in school or something.
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nah, they just followed around some early twitter comments/rumors from the first trailer. it is funny its funny when things like that are collected on any website though

i mean... i could consider that if we had the three colors around but trying to make a 3 colored flag out of two of them.... too farfetched xd
it was strange when they said it, and the fact that people just repeat that, cringes me to no end

after the first trailer i had even news on the google feed about that... (tipical internet circle)
 
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Ereineon said:
i would say this is more a wishful thinking from some people pushing agendas that are not pokemon related XD.

seeing as oranges and grapes are a focus on the game, i would go for that before some "obscure" flag

and regarding the choosing of purpura over violeta/morado/añil.... it just sounds better when pairing with the other, and specially it goes further apart from some pokemon clones/fanversions on internet (problably another reason)
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In Spain purple=republic , even if not done in purpose it will still be associated with it. The tricolor It’s not an ‘obscure’ flag here in Spain it still used to this day to reclaim the Republic and you can see it on the streets everyday on people’s balconies. Of course outside of Spain it doesnt have that meaning and I don’t expect Game Freak to get into Spanish politics but if you do a region based in Spain and use purple it will be associated with that movement even if just for Twitter memes and they probably know it but just didnt care.
 
Blue Monty said:
In Spain purple=republic , even if not done in purpose it will still be associated with it. The tricolor It’s not an ‘obscure’ flag here in Spain it still used to this day to reclaim the Republic and you can see it on the streets everyday on people’s balconies. Of course outside of Spain it doesnt have that meaning and I don’t expect Game Freak to get into Spanish politics but if you do a region based in Spain and use purple it will be associated with that movement even if just for Twitter memes and they probably know it but just didnt care.
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i beg to differ XD that color on its own has many meanings, for me thats more something like wanting to see that... you can of course, but is still farfetched XD
we are not talking about a flag with purple, hell we are not even talking about flags at all! thats something it is forced on the debate.
we are talking about two separate colors, they even show oranges and grapes... thinking about something else is taking away the focus from what it is shown
 
Ereineon said:
i beg to differ XD that color on its own has many meanings, for me thats more something like wanting to see that... you can of course, but is still farfetched XD
we are not talking about a flag with purple, hell we are not even talking about flags at all! thats something it is forced on the debate.
we are talking about two separate colors, they even show oranges and grapes... thinking about something else is taking away the focus from what it is shown
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I mean, all my spanish friends, myself included, made instant jokes with the purple and the República. At least for my circle it was a very immediate association.
 
If they bring nothing else from Arceus to SV, they better bring back changing movesets on the fly, manual evolution, and the trade evolution items. These are life changing features as far as Pokémon is concerned.
 
Red Monster said:
If they bring nothing else from Arceus to SV, they better bring back changing movesets on the fly, manual evolution, and the trade evolution items. These are life changing features as far as Pokémon is concerned.
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That I can 100% agree with. Having to go to a move relearner is completely pointless these days and just a time tax (even worse if they make you pay something for it like they used to). And the link cable item just needs to be a thing going forward. I don't think they've done trade evolutions since what, gen 6? And even then there were only a couple. So it seems like something they're mostly doing away with anyway.
 
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I love the Legends, I think the standard Pokemon designs are meh, but I'm sure they'll grow on me

Also, I know there's that Riddler Khu guy, what's the best place to keep up to date with the happenings on those? I heard on a YT video that he leaked the typing's of the legends, and going off their designs, it seems that they'll likely be what he said. I just like the riddles stuff and wanna keep up with them, anyone know the best place?
 
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I feel like the wording doesn't exactly mean that gyms can be taken at any order, just that you're not prevented from going to the town of the 8th gym at the beginning of the game. like you go to the "last" gym only to be told you need 7 badges first
 
ILikeFeet said:


I feel like the wording doesn't exactly mean that gyms can be taken at any order, just that you're not prevented from going to the town of the 8th gym at the beginning of the game. like you go to the "last" gym only to be told you need 7 badges first
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Maybe the first and last gyms need to be done at a certain time, but the others should be able to be done in any order. Otherwise, what's the point of the open world? That's a linear game inside an open world.
 
Magic-Man said:
Maybe the first and last gyms need to be done at a certain time, but the others should be able to be done in any order. Otherwise, what's the point of the open world? That's a linear game inside an open world.
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To be fair, that linearity problem is quite common in open world games
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Yeah that's how most open world games work. The ones where the story is truly nonlinear, or even with only distinct starting and ending points, are pretty few and far between.

That being said, the fact that it does specify that you're not going to be dictated by the story does imply this one may be one of those exceptions
 
For the story to work in a non-linear manner I suppose the amount of completed challenges dictates the next step in the story, which brings us to another challenge: how will the levels of Pokémon scale?

Maybe they might implement a system where the level of wild Pokémon scale along with the average level of the current team.

At least I hope they tackle it something akin to this, and not how Legends did it. In legends I was able to catch overleveled Pokémon quite easily which takes away the sense of any danger completely.
 
Yeah, Pokemon's structure is pretty easy to open up, come to think of it. Almost as if it was always conceived to be eventually turned into a non-liniar game from Gen 1. Aside from the badge system's compatibility with level scaling, the story, too, can accomodate exploration. When a rival walks up to challenge you to a fight post-gym, it doesn't matter what town you're in. And for more location-specific events, Sword and Shield already had NPCs tell you about some big thing going on elsewhere and to hurry there immediately.
 
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NabiscoFelt said:
Yeah that's how most open world games work. The ones where the story is truly nonlinear, or even with only distinct starting and ending points, are pretty few and far between.

That being said, the fact that it does specify that you're not going to be dictated by the story does imply this one may be one of those exceptions
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given how intertwined gym progression was to story progression (arbitrarily, I might add), that's why we think that the text also means gyms can be done in any order.

but due to the lack of specifics (like if there's even gyms), I posit that it could just mean that gyms and the story are disconnected and that gyms (or whatever) are still linear. I could just be paranoid though, because of Game Freak


Breath of the Wild feels like it had a great way of handling this with you being able to high tail it to Ganon. pokemon could adapt this by skipping the story missions entirely and go for all the gyms and become champion before you even "start" the story. and vice versa

maybe, thanks to the school setup, being champion isn't actually the end all be all. maybe you need "graduation points" or some shit, and you can get that however (aside from saving the world). become champion, be a contest champion, etc.

I think this is a good video that brings up the issue with open worlds and their sense of progression. Pokemon Legends is touted as a good method for its style of game even

 
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