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MondoMega said:
Gut feeling tells me to swap around when the next 2D and 3D Mario launch, even if the latter should theoretically have been in production for longer (2D Mario likely starting around end of Splatoon 2 content updates / Mario Maker 2's launch; due to the absence of certain leads on Splatoon 3, and the recruitment in August 2019). I think a big 3D Mario would make for an even more impactful launch title; more opportunities to show off the increased visual fidelity that would come with new hardware.

For Donkey Kong, i'd give it until the launch of the Super Nintendo World Donkey Kong expansion in Japan (by Summer 2024) to surface. They'd want to have some Donkey Kong release launch within the same period (3D World + Bowser's Fury was always set to launch the same year as the park opening, even before both were delayed); so if it doesn't happen i'd expect a remaster of Returns in place of it (don't think this exists, though).

I hope Tomodachi manages to show up sooner than that; but at this point I guess it'd be weird to drop a game with that much evergreen potential so late in the console lifecycle (unless it continues to be supported on the new hardware, of course).
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Valid points. I also think that looking at how they prepare for Switch 2 2024/2025

  • What do you do with Smash Bros.? 4K port and replace some third party characters with first party? Reboot the game?
  • Mario Kart. What on earth do you do after just having finishing this extensive expansion and creating the largest MK ever?
  • Zelda: 4K ports of BOTW and TOTK?
  • Mario. Does one make it on Switch and one get held back for launch?
  • No more half assed casual games with the most barebone content. (1-2 Switch). At least some depth.
  • Splatoon 4 for launch wouldn't shock me if it's 2025.
  • Wouldn't be shocked if Prime 4 is delayed and ultimately releases as Switch 2 launch title.
 
N75 said:
Yeah he was credited on a patent that was the basis for the Eating Contest game.

US20180056192A1 - Information processing system, storage medium having stored therein information processing program, information processing apparatus, and information processing method - Google Patents

Transmission data including at least data regarding luminances of a plurality of small areas obtained by dividing the entirety of an at least partial area of a captured image captured by an image capturing unit is acquired. Then, using the acquired transmission data, and based on a luminance of...
patents.google.com

He was also on a Nintendo recruitment poster with the game but I can't find the actual right now.
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Never knew he worked on it, so thanks for this insight.
 
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MondoMega said:
Gut feeling tells me to swap around when the next 2D and 3D Mario launch, even if the latter should theoretically have been in production for longer (2D Mario likely starting around end of Splatoon 2 content updates / Mario Maker 2's launch; due to the absence of certain leads on Splatoon 3, and the recruitment in August 2019). I think a big 3D Mario would make for an even more impactful launch title; more opportunities to show off the increased visual fidelity that would come with new hardware.

For Donkey Kong, i'd give it until the launch of the Super Nintendo World Donkey Kong expansion in Japan (by Summer 2024) to surface. They'd want to have some Donkey Kong release launch within the same period (3D World + Bowser's Fury was always set to launch the same year as the park opening, even before both were delayed); so if it doesn't happen i'd expect a remaster of Returns in place of it (don't think this exists, though).

I hope Tomodachi manages to show up sooner than that; but at this point I guess it'd be weird to drop a game with that much evergreen potential so late in the console lifecycle (unless it continues to be supported on the new hardware, of course).
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Agreed with everything here said but a little correction, the recruitment for 2D Kyoto went up in October 2019. You probably swapped it with a 2D Tokyo recruitment in August 2020.
 
Semi Lazy Gamer said:
This person speaking in tounges claims Prime 4 is in development hell and Nintendo is basing continued development on the Prime trilogy remasters.

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Basic gist is that Prime 4 is in dev hell, Nintendo's thinking of cancelling it without telling us, Retro wants to finish it (duh), and Nintendo are using Prime Remastered's sales as a way to gauge if it'd be worth it or not. Safe to say Prime R is doing EXTREMELY well, but why would Prime 4 be cursed to be in dev hell so much? Sure it's been four years since they announced the reboot of it, but still...
 
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Part of that post is speculation; the only thing that was really claimed was that Prime 4 is in development hell, and even that is through a game of telephone.
 
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EAD Ninja said:
Valid points. I also think that looking at how they prepare for Switch 2 2024/2025

  • What do you do with Smash Bros.? 4K port and replace some third party characters with first party? Reboot the game?
  • Mario Kart. What on earth do you do after just having finishing this extensive expansion and creating the largest MK ever?
  • Zelda: 4K ports of BOTW and TOTK?
  • Mario. Does one make it on Switch and one get held back for launch?
  • No more half assed casual games with the most barebone content. (1-2 Switch). At least some depth.
  • Splatoon 4 for launch wouldn't shock me if it's 2025.
  • Wouldn't be shocked if Prime 4 is delayed and ultimately releases as Switch 2 launch title.
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Assuming a 2024 launch; my thoughts on each of these:
  • A reboot for Smash (assuming a majorly cut down character roster) doesn't have any particular benefit; would only make the game less appealing to mass audiences if their favourite is missing. Trying to maintain as much of Ultimate's roster as possible (preferably all of it) and build on top is really the only route they've left for themselves that won't lead to massive decline in interest.
  • I'm unfortunately starting to get the feeling that the next Mario Kart will lean in on crossover content in order to have a different appeal from 8 Deluxe. Not a full rebrand to Nintendo Kart; but launching with more non-Mario Nintendo characters, kart parts and courses. With the DLC including the majority of the fan favourite courses (and now characters) from the series, they aren't leaving a lot of other posibilities for themselves.
  • I'd hope they release free updates for titles they want to upgrade to 4K, but I do see them doing something with BotW and TotK at least. A decent way to keep eyes on Zelda even with no new title ready to launch for some time.
  • Like I said above, still of the mind that one (2D) will make the current Switch and the other (3D) will be held back for the next console launch. Haven't launched with a 3D Mario in a long time now, but I think this is a hardware jump where the differences compared to Odyssey will be readily apparent.
  • Or if they want to release simpler titles like that, price them to match. Game Builder Garage, Brain Age and Big Brain Academy did this, and Nintendo should make use of variable pricing more in all regions going forward.
  • They could extend support for Splatoon 3 a little from the previously announced cut-off in order to support the next console at launch (Splatoon 2 got a support period extension announcement when Octo Expansion launched, so not unprecedented). Then get Splatoon 4 out when ready.
  • I think the probability of Prime 4 launching in the next FY is looking better than it did before the February Direct. Could very well be updated to support the new hardware though, like I imagine other core audience games would (Xenoblade, Platinum's games).
 
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Semi Lazy Gamer said:
This person speaking in tounges claims Prime 4 is in development hell and Nintendo is basing continued development on the Prime trilogy remasters.

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we're better than this.

we don't need to concern ourselves with rando rumors that don't hold up to any scrutiny, this is just another 4chan "leak" with different coat of paint
 
I have a theory (and some people suggested it here too) that whatever EPD Tokyo was doing post Odyssey was scrapped and then turned over to Bowser's Fury which was carried to NST. The next 3D Mario begun sometime in 2019 and at that time they already knew it wouldn't make it on this hardware. Yes, COVID hit them as all EPD Groups, they moved to new offices, apparently switching to more universal LunchPack engine and working also on 2D title and yet I feel like all these reasons really not fully explain that they are MIA for so long.

Either way, we are in for the treat, Tokyo is always top quality and with the new hardware they will do wonders. If Koizumi is once again the General Producer of next Nintendo hardware you can be sure that this new Mario game will utilize it to the maximum.
 
If the Switch 2 does indeed launch with an exclusive 3D Mario, a holiday 2023 release window is perfect.
The film's marketing push will ensure its launch to be a huge success.
 
LukasManak22 said:
I have a theory (and some people suggested it here too) that whatever EPD Tokyo was doing post Odyssey was scrapped and then turned over to Bowser's Fury which was carried to NST. The next 3D Mario begun sometime in 2019 and at that time they already knew it wouldn't make it on this hardware. Yes, COVID hit them as all EPD Groups, they moved to new offices, apparently switching to more universal LunchPack engine and working also on 2D title and yet I feel like all these reasons really not fully explain that they are MIA for so long.

Either way, we are in for the treat, Tokyo is always top quality and with the new hardware they will do wonders. If Koizumi is once again the General Producer of next Nintendo hardware you can be sure that this new Mario game will utilize it to the maximum.
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I feel like this sequence of events is pretty likely. Even if they didn't start aiming for new hardware in 2019, they might have had one eye on it and moved over to new hardware at a later date. Bowser's Fury suggests they were testing concepts which really pushed the Switch, though perhaps EPD 8 would better optimise their software than NST (no offense - I think BF is pretty damn good).

Right now 3D Mario is the elephant launch title in the Switch 2 room, as far as I see it.
 
Homura said:
If the Switch 2 does indeed launch with an exclusive 3D Mario, a holiday 2023 release window is perfect.
The film's marketing push will ensure its launch to be a huge success.
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home release of the Mario Movie + Drake + new Mario game would be a perfect storm
 
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There’s a thread I won’t name on a message board I won’t name either that is basically dead but every now and then some dummy shows up with an uninformed take so they get shouted down by everyone else until they leave. I think that’s the purest form of the internet and it’s sad that we didn’t manage to do the same with Musk.
 
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Hero of Legend said:
Oh that's a shame. Wasn't he behind some of HAL's finest tracks in Melee and Air Ride? Then again I thought his Brawl tracks (New Pork City aside) a tad underwhelming.
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Wait, how is this even a shame? If he went freelance by his own decision then that's good for him! (speaking as a freelancer myself. I won't say it's for everybody but if this is done on his own will and he gets to work on more games outside of HAL/Nintendo, I'm happy for him)
 
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Arrietty said:
Wait, how is this even a shame? If he went freelance by his own decision then that's good for him! (speaking as a freelancer myself. I won't say it's for everybody but if this is done on his own will and he gets to work on more games outside of HAL/Nintendo, I'm happy for him)
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I have to agree! This could open more opportunities for him. It's not a shame at all, it's only a good thing.
 
With all the talk about Nintendo having a light second half of the year and the fact that 1-2 Switch sold decently well enough when it came out, I'm starting to worry that we might legitimately be looking at Everybody's 1-2 Switch as their "big holiday title" this year. Sure, it's been AWOL for like a year now, but they sat on FE Engage and Metroid Prime Remastered for a year and a half––things might line up just a little too neatly for Stinky Horse to rear his head for real this time.
 
AoiHana said:
With all the talk about Nintendo having a light second half of the year and the fact that 1-2 Switch sold decently well enough when it came out, I'm starting to worry that we might legitimately be looking at Everybody's 1-2 Switch as their "big holiday title" this year. Sure, it's been AWOL for like a year now, but they sat on FE Engage and Metroid Prime Remastered for a year and a half––things might line up just a little too neatly for Stinky Horse to rear his head for real this time.
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If the reporting of the game testing terribly is true there is no chance of them positioning it as a major release in any regard. Either they reveal and release it on a one month notice ala Ring Fit or Game Builder Garage (say, May announcement for June release) or they scrap the supposed physical and launch it as a free NSO perk (this was a suggested possibility in the article).

Either way, no chance they position this as any sort of major launch, let alone put it in the November spot. Considering this Q1 Direct was packed despite first-party releases only covering up to July, I don’t particularly believe the rumors of a light H2 and no June presentation anyway.
 
I still think to a journalist, a "light H2" could include a new 2D Mario since that isn't exactly the kind of game that blows people's minds like Zelda or Metroid.
 
Mekanos said:
I still think to a journalist, a "light H2" could include a new 2D Mario since that isn't exactly the kind of game that blows people's minds like Zelda or Metroid.
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Yep. 'Light schedule' probably means Nintendo have more family facing games, remasters, and spin offs. Prime 4 and 2D Mario are candidates as far as I'm concerned for October/November.
 
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Recently found picture that I don't think a lot of people seen, if even any, since it's not publicly available for a long time.

Splatoon 1 dev team outside Nintendo Development Center.

splatoon1devteam.jpg
 
2D Mario does not count as a "light" release in any way imo. It's been over 15 years since the first NSMB and even that wasn't a shining beacon of originality. A brand-spanking-new 2D Mario is going to be a huge deal.
 
Paxie said:
2D Mario does not count as a "light" release in any way imo. It's been over 15 years since the first NSMB and even that wasn't a shining beacon of originality. A brand-spanking-new 2D Mario is going to be a huge deal.
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Sure, I agree. But it's frequently the case that games media count particular games (Zelda, 3D Mario, Smash, Metroid) as much more important than others.

It's entirely possible the sources for the 'light' rumours don't know all that much about what Nintendo has in store. Maybe people knew that the first Direct wouldn't feature much in the way of new first party software, and that Nintendo's release slate after Pikmin 4 would be empty. Throw in Nintendo dropping out of E3, and the assumption becomes that they genuinely won't have anything much.

That doesn't mean it'll stay empty, but games reporting often takes a short termist approach and doesn't quite fit things into a bigger context. I find this is especially true of Nintendo, where there are frequent misunderstandings about how and why they operate the way they do.
 
Mekanos said:
I still think to a journalist, a "light H2" could include a new 2D Mario since that isn't exactly the kind of game that blows people's minds like Zelda or Metroid.
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It just seems more likely that the sources for that rumor don't know what they're talking about, especially after the recent Direct. Increasingly getting the vibe that the source is a disgruntled ReedPop employee.
 
Pokemaniac said:
It just seems more likely that the sources for that rumor don't know what they're talking about, especially after the recent Direct. Increasingly getting the vibe that the source is a disgruntled ReedPop employee.
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ILikeFeet said:
I was gonna say, Chris Dring was among the first to mention the lacking second half because of no floor space buys
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Yep. I think it's possible some journalists had wind of Nintendo's release slate going up to Pikmin 4 and a lack of new software announcements in the February Direct, so might infer a light second half from that. Simple truth is we don't know what Nintendo have planned, but we could easily guess that, if software was an issue later this year, they wouldn't have 7 games in the first 7 months of the year.
 
Pokemaniac said:
It just seems more likely that the sources for that rumor don't know what they're talking about, especially after the recent Direct. Increasingly getting the vibe that the source is a disgruntled ReedPop employee.
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ILikeFeet said:
I was gonna say, Chris Dring was among the first to mention the lacking second half because of no floor space buys
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MisterSpo said:
Yep. I think it's possible some journalists had wind of Nintendo's release slate going up to Pikmin 4 and a lack of new software announcements in the February Direct, so might infer a light second half from that. Simple truth is we don't know what Nintendo have planned, but we could easily guess that, if software was an issue later this year, they wouldn't have 7 games in the first 7 months of the year.
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I know it gets into dangerous waters speculating too deeply, but it seems likely that the source is on the ESA side of the house. It could be a narrative NoA gave to ESA for face saving purposes, it could be an internal communication from the ESA for the same reason, or it could be true.

A good E3 floor is not the same thing as a heavy H2, or vice versa. You could build an incredible in-person E3 experience around a 3D Mario that isn't launching for 12 months. Or you could have a solid H2 just built on games that have been announced/rumored - Pikmin 4, Detective Pika2, F-Zero GX Remaster, 2D Mario Movie Tie In - that wouldn't look great on the show floor.
 
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These journalists only got wind of Nintendos schedule up to July and assumed it was for the whole year is how I look at it. They don’t know what’s coming in the fall like a possible 2D Mario and Metroid Prime 4
 
At this point, I find it very hard to believe that Nintendo won't have some sort of a general direct in June given what we know about their 2023 plans. I don't see how Nintendo will go into July and beyond with nothing announced except for "Metroid Prime 4- TBD".

IMO, Nintendo not being at E3 has nothing to do with a light schedule after Zelda. There are other reasons behind the scenes that we are not currently privy to.
 
“In recent years, the resources needed for game development have grown and grown, so Development Department One has been trying out a style of development where it works with external studios”

"Game Freak’s core teams turn out Pokémon games on a near-annual basis, and such games have become increasingly graphically complex, requiring more resources in the process"

"For Ride On, Game Freak partnered with studios Infiniteloop Co. and Pixyda, both of which have worked with the studio over the past decade"

 
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Josh5890 said:
At this point, I find it very hard to believe that Nintendo won't have some sort of a general direct in June given what we know about their 2023 plans. I don't see how Nintendo will go into July and beyond with nothing announced except for "Metroid Prime 4- TBD".

IMO, Nintendo not being at E3 has nothing to do with a light schedule after Zelda. There are other reasons behind the scenes that we are not currently privy to.
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but haven't you heard, if we don't know what's coming in half a year, that always means that they don't have anyt---pwahahahah

sorry I couldn't even do the bit to the end without laughing :D

Yea, basically what y'all said. This is why you can't get me to buy into most of these rumblings because the trust in the people interpreting the usually vague af info they're getting in a sensible way is in the absolute lowest maintenance tunnels below the sewers, based on how the past decade went.
 
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I know Nate thinks they can wait until September to fully announce Metroid Prime 4 and release in November, but I don’t see that happening. Nintendo is definitely unpredictable for sure, but I think they’ll do a June direct and if MP4 is coming in the holiday it’ll be there.
 
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