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StarTopic Nintendo First Party Software Development |ST| Nintendo Party Superstars

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BooDestroyer said:
We got EPD10 accounted for a while ago (Pikmin 4), but 8 and 9 haven't put out any brand new titles in a while.

Who knows when 8 will get their next game out, or what it will be.
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EPD 8 hired for a 3D action game in (I think) October 2019, and then a 2D action game in August 2020.

The obvious bet for the former is 3D Mario, given that's EPD 8's main responsibility. While EPD 8 produced 3D All Stars and Bowser's Fury, the bulk of the work on both seems to have been outsourced to teams like NST, 1-Up, iQue and NERD.

oldpuck said:
It seems highly unlikely that Nintendo has a Mario game ready to for the movie, but I suppose it's possible. Nintendo knows well how awful it is trying to attach a video game to a media release calendar, they've been involved in Pokemon for years, and I doubt they want that to happen to Mario. Video game tie-ins to movies are almost always bad and almost always driven by the movie release schedule and that doesn't match Nintendo.

But maybe a remaster? NSMB Wii is 2D, couch co-op, strong casual vibes, and if you played it in college you're probably a parent now with a Mario Movie aged kid.
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Entirely possible new mainline Mario is ready in 2023 - a few months after the movie - by happy accident. Development for one of the games may well result in a release in 2023 without it having been the original plan to release the movie then a game.

We're a little over three years on from the last 2D Mario, as well as just over three years on from the EPD 8 and EPD 10 hiring calls for a 3D game and a 2D game. We're also 2 years on from the 3D All Stars and 3D World releases, so it's not as if Nintendo would be crowding the market; especially not if we're looking at Mario in the second half of 2023.
 
MisterSpo said:
EPD 8 hired for a 3D action game in (I think) October 2019, and then a 2D action game in August 2020.

The obvious bet for the former is 3D Mario, given that's EPD 8's main responsibility. While EPD 8 produced 3D All Stars and Bowser's Fury, the bulk of the work on both seems to have been outsourced to teams like NST, 1-Up, iQue and NERD.


Entirely possible new mainline Mario is ready in 2023 - a few months after the movie - by happy accident. Development for one of the games may well result in a release in 2023 without it having been the original plan to release the movie then a game.

We're a little over three years on from the last 2D Mario, as well as just over three years on from the EPD 8 and EPD 10 hiring calls for a 3D game and a 2D game. We're also 2 years on from the 3D All Stars and 3D World releases, so it's not as if Nintendo would be crowding the market; especially not if we're looking at Mario in the second half of 2023.
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I totally agree that we might land in the neighborhood of a new 3D mario next year, purely by luck. But if it's, say, a holiday 2023 title, I doubt there will be much marketing synchronicity with the movie
 
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oldpuck said:
Mario Kart Tour is, essentially, Mario Kart 9. It has just as much content as a full-fat MK, it has a new engine, a new platform, and a new control scheme. While I'm sure that there are other EPD9 things cooking up, maintaining not one but 2 live-service esque Mario Kart titles is a big enough lift.
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Does updating Tour really take the whole team though? If it is that team doing so. And is it enough to prevent them from making a new Switch project, which they haven't done since 2017?
 
BooDestroyer said:
Does updating Tour really take the whole team though? If it is that team doing so. And is it enough to prevent them from making a new Switch project, which they haven't done since 2017?
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It is that team, along with Bandai Namco, who helped with MK8.

The way EPD works is that each "team" is extremely small. As a project gets more and more developed, that team will bring in staff from a general pool of EPD employees and/or work with another studio (Bamco) to fill out. Then as the project releases, the team scales down, and becomes just the core dozen people or so.

To took 3 years to make MK8. It's been 5 years since Arms fully wrapped, and in the meantime, Kosuke Yabuki has been in charge of a completely new Mario Kart game which continues to get updates, as well as updating those updates into DLC for MK8. Also there was a global pandemic, and he fit in supervising Home Circuit in there as well

The old strategy for EAD1/EPD9 was "Make a portable Mario Kart, make a big Mario Kart, repeat on the next generation". Switch consolidated those two lines and let them port MK8 which opened up the slot for Arms, but now they are back making a portable Mario Kart.

Is Kosuke Yabuki working on his next game? Probably. Is it Mario Kart 10? Also probably. And even if it isn't (and I hope it isn't), it's probably not ready to go in the next 12-18 months.
 
Does anybody think Kojima Productions will eventually develop a first party exclusive for Nintendo? Sony has Death Stranding (and its recently revealed sequel), and they're all ready working with Xbox on an unnannounced project. So it's probably only a matter of time.
 
MagiCarbo said:
Does anybody think Kojima Productions will eventually develop a first party exclusive for Nintendo? Sony has Death Stranding (and its recently revealed sequel), and they're all ready working with Xbox on an unnannounced project. So it's probably only a matter of time.
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No, I don't think so. Just because he's made exclusives for other consoles doesn't mean that he's obligated to make one for Switch or their next system.
 
MagiCarbo said:
Does anybody think Kojima Productions will eventually develop a first party exclusive for Nintendo? Sony has Death Stranding (and its recently revealed sequel), and they're all ready working with Xbox on an unnannounced project. So it's probably only a matter of time.
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If I have the story right, Kojima's game with Xbox was originally a partnership with Stadia involving the cloud. I doubt it means anything in regards to Nintendo.
 
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MagiCarbo said:
Does anybody think Kojima Productions will eventually develop a first party exclusive for Nintendo? Sony has Death Stranding (and its recently revealed sequel), and they're all ready working with Xbox on an unnannounced project. So it's probably only a matter of time.
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Hell no
 
The first General Direct of 2023 has a very high chance of finally showing games that we "know" about for years via the job listing. Mainly the EPD 8 or EPD 10. It was always like "oh another Direct without Tokyo, that's a shame" but I think we finally reached that point when these projects are beyond ready to be revealed to the public.
 
LukasManak22 said:
The first General Direct of 2023 has a very high chance of finally showing games that we "know" about for years via the job listing. Mainly the EPD 8 or EPD 10. It was always like "oh another Direct without Tokyo, that's a shame" but I think we finally reached that point when these projects are beyond ready to be revealed to the public.
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I really really hope we‘ll finally see one of those.
 
- February direct -
Switch Pro/2
Showcase big Drake upgrades to Xenoblade 3, Bayonetta 3, Splatoon 3, SMTV, Kirby and the Forgotten Land, Octopath Traveler 2, Astral Chain, etc
Next big 3D Mario game reveal
Metroid Prime HD + MP4 big reveal
Big third party reveals (new and multiplats)
Pikmin 4
Zelda Tears of the Kingdom big blowout

Freakout amongst people ensues
 
MisterSpo said:
EPD 8 hired for a 3D game before the 2D game, and we can assume that's not Bowser's Fury given NST provided the bulk of the staff for that.
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I read this several times. Do we have any information to confirm that NST did anything other than porting 3D World and that EPD was not in charge of Bowser's Fury?

I'm really intrigued by what will happen next. I can't imagine a 2D Mario and a 3D Mario coming out in the same year, but I can't imagine a 2D Donkey Kong and a 2D Mario coming out in the same year either.

By elimination, my guess would be that EPD 10's Mario is released in 2023 to take advantage of the movie hype, and then EPD Tokyo's DK is released alongside the Super Nintendo World expansion in 2024. The next Mario 3D could be released later to highlight next-gen during late 2024, along with a new Mario Kart and Metroid Prime 4.

For 2023, a new 2D Mario, Detective Pikatchu 2, Metroid Prime HD, a Kid Icarus remaster as teased by Sakurai, in addition to Totk and Pikmin 4, doesn't that sound so bad?
 
boodream said:
I read this several times. Do we have any information to confirm that NST did anything other than porting 3D World and that EPD was not in charge of Bowser's Fury?
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I believe it was through several NST devs personal sites that they did lead programming and art for the game rather than EPD Tokyo
 
boodream said:
I read this several times. Do we have any information to confirm that NST did anything other than porting 3D World and that EPD was not in charge of Bowser's Fury?
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For one thing, the Bowser's Fury credits show the team split between EPD (small number of staff), 1-Up and NST (the bulk of the team). There were other tidbits floating around that I can't gather up right now but yes - there's enough information to show that NST did the bulk of the BF work and that the porting process for 3D World was handled by EPD itself.
boodream said:
I'm really intrigued by what will happen next. I can't imagine a 2D Mario and a 3D Mario coming out in the same year, but I can't imagine a 2D Donkey Kong and a 2D Mario coming out in the same year either.

By elimination, my guess would be that EPD 10's Mario is released in 2023 to take advantage of the movie hype, and then EPD Tokyo's DK is released alongside the Super Nintendo World expansion in 2024. The next Mario 3D could be released later to highlight next-gen during late 2024, along with a new Mario Kart and Metroid Prime 4.

For 2023, a new 2D Mario, Detective Pikatchu 2, Metroid Prime HD, a Kid Icarus remaster as teased by Sakurai, in addition to Totk and Pikmin 4, doesn't that sound so bad?
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I'm agreed it's unlikely we'll see two mainline Super Mario titles in a single year; unless Nintendo manage to space them about 5 months apart. The order for the games is a mystery, but I do think we'll see 3D and 2D Mario plus EPD DK before 2024 is out, but hopefully one of those games is coming in 2023.

One thing I think is clear with Switch is that, even when they lean on old content, Nintendo do manage a decent amount of genre and franchise variety. So while I'm expecting 2023 to have a large amount of DLC and several re-releases (Kirby, Metroid, Advance Wars, maybe more), there's still plenty of scope for new games. It might be that, besides Zelda, Fire Emblem, and Pikmin 4, the new titles are mostly spin offs or eShop titles (Detective Pikachu, Bayonetta Origins, something from HAL's Boxboy team, a new Pocket Card Jockey from Game Freak).
 
MagiCarbo said:
Does anybody think Kojima Productions will eventually develop a first party exclusive for Nintendo? Sony has Death Stranding (and its recently revealed sequel), and they're all ready working with Xbox on an unnannounced project. So it's probably only a matter of time.
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Money. It's probably a matter of money.
 
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ILikeFeet said:
I believe it was through several NST devs personal sites that they did lead programming and art for the game rather than EPD Tokyo
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MisterSpo said:
For one thing, the Bowser's Fury credits show the team split between EPD (small number of staff), 1-Up and NST (the bulk of the team). There were other tidbits floating around that I can't gather up right now but yes - there's enough information to show that NST did the bulk of the BF work and that the porting process for 3D World was handled by EPD itself.
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I find that very interesting. Because my first thought was that BF really felt like an experiment by EPD Tokyo to explore the idea of a fully open-world 3D Mario. I absolutely loved Odyssey, I find it incredibly warm, creative and endearing, so I would love a sequel, but I have a feeling a lot of people want a fully open-world Mario. That's why I really imagined EPD Tokyo totally involved on Bowser's Fury.
 
boodream said:
I find that very interesting. Because my first thought was that BF really felt like an experiment by EPD Tokyo to explore the idea of a fully open-world 3D Mario. I absolutely loved Odyssey, I find it incredibly warm, creative and endearing, so I would love a sequel, but I have a feeling a lot of people want a fully open-world Mario. That's why I really imagined EPD Tokyo totally involved on Bowser's Fury.
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It was presumably a concept that EPD Tokyo didn't want to take any further themselves and so they had NST finish it, or at least that's my assumption. That doesn't preclude open world Mario in the future; Bowser's Fury really just continues down the road Odyssey was heading, making the experience more seamless and less interrupted.
 
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I really want Next Level Games to do something new, preferably a new IP at long last (DYKG off-hand mentioned them cooking up a mech game for Wii U at one point, that's a killer candidate), or a new take on an IP not seen in some bit. Maybe Star Fox, F-Zero, etc.

Whether the mech game as gonna be or not, I'd like to see them try to maybe make something more "hardcore" to fill a void in Nintendo's own IP catalog. yeah yeah it's another "Nintendo needs their Uncharted!" malarkey, but still just ONE that Nintendo has entirely their own by one of their few western teams is their best chance at something of the such. Of course I'd also want NLG's own cartoony mascot in the vein of Banjo or Crash, as without Rare, Nintendo lost their western-born mascot and DK hasn't really been that since Rare left IMO.

I just want something new from NLG and not just yet another Luigi's Mansion or underwhelming Mario Strikers. Such a shame Federation Force was a bust due to platform (3DS), horrific-timing, etc. Had that been a Wii U game with maybe only a vaguely more cartoony take (say maybe Borderlands-esc) on Retro's MP series, it just might've worked.
 
Hero of Legend said:
I really want Next Level Games to do something new, preferably a new IP at long last (DYKG off-hand mentioned them cooking up a mech game for Wii U at one point, that's a killer candidate), or a new take on an IP not seen in some bit. Maybe Star Fox, F-Zero, etc.

Whether the mech game as gonna be or not, I'd like to see them try to maybe make something more "hardcore" to fill a void in Nintendo's own IP catalog. yeah yeah it's another "Nintendo needs their Uncharted!" malarkey, but still just ONE that Nintendo has entirely their own by one of their few western teams is their best chance at something of the such. Of course I'd also want NLG's own cartoony mascot in the vein of Banjo or Crash, as without Rare, Nintendo lost their western-born mascot and DK hasn't really been that since Rare left IMO.

I just want something new from NLG and not just yet another Luigi's Mansion or underwhelming Mario Strikers. Such a shame Federation Force was a bust due to platform (3DS), horrific-timing, etc. Had that been a Wii U game with maybe only a vaguely more cartoony take (say maybe Borderlands-esc) on Retro's MP series, it just might've worked.
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You got that from Retro once they manage to put out Metroid Prime 4
 
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EPD Tokyo hired a script writer from the dragon quest series

some contracts from 2019 are aalmost finished,probably from botw2


a gaijin specialized in monetization is giving consultation to nintendo,theres others indicating they didnt gave up on mobile games
 
N75 said:
Looks like he primarily works in localization now.
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Looks like the exact opposite to me. The newest of his listed localisation works released in 2014 and those 7 years he lists himself as a script writer at Square Enix cover 2015-2021. DQX 3.0 and DQXI (S) are more recent works (2015, 2017, 2019).
 
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MondoMega said:
Looks like the exact opposite to me. The newest of his listed localisation works released in 2014 and those 7 years he lists himself as a script writer at Square Enix cover 2015-2021. DQX 3.0 and DQXI (S) are more recent works (2015, 2017, 2019).
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I think I mixed up Modern Warfare 3 with the new MW2.
 
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oldpuck said:
It is that team, along with Bandai Namco, who helped with MK8.

The way EPD works is that each "team" is extremely small. As a project gets more and more developed, that team will bring in staff from a general pool of EPD employees and/or work with another studio (Bamco) to fill out. Then as the project releases, the team scales down, and becomes just the core dozen people or so.

To took 3 years to make MK8. It's been 5 years since Arms fully wrapped, and in the meantime, Kosuke Yabuki has been in charge of a completely new Mario Kart game which continues to get updates, as well as updating those updates into DLC for MK8. Also there was a global pandemic, and he fit in supervising Home Circuit in there as well

The old strategy for EAD1/EPD9 was "Make a portable Mario Kart, make a big Mario Kart, repeat on the next generation". Switch consolidated those two lines and let them port MK8 which opened up the slot for Arms, but now they are back making a portable Mario Kart.

Is Kosuke Yabuki working on his next game? Probably. Is it Mario Kart 10? Also probably. And even if it isn't (and I hope it isn't), it's probably not ready to go in the next 12-18 months.
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That's how EPD teams work? Interesting.


Remember when people thought that adding Min Min to Smash was supposed to be some huge attempt to "resurrect" Arms?

Nintendo hasn't done/said anything about Arms since Smash. I mean, 2-3 years later and here we are. And most people only remember Min Min as a "Smash character" and know nothing else about Arms. Even its subreddit is all just one guy nonstop getting high on copium for another.

But you're probably right. We'll see what they have going next when the Booster Course Pass is getting closer to finishing up.

Edit: And while we're at it
 
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Most MP4 info is just LinkedIn drops at this point. Can't wait to see this game in action, and hoping it's scalable to work on Switch and switch 2
 
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Stage Designer and Character Designer (specifcally for CG animation) for both Kyoto and Tokyo.




EDIT: How long has Nintendo's job site had Switch Sports (and Mario Kart Booster Course Pass) stuff? Never seen it before.

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MondoMega said:
Stage Designer and Character Designer (specifcally for CG animation) for both Kyoto and Tokyo.




EDIT: How long has Nintendo's job site had Switch Sports (and Mario Kart Booster Course Pass) stuff? Never seen it before.

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That first logo for Switch Sports looks really nice. Wish that was the final logo but I get why they went with the current one.
 
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MondoMega said:
Stage Designer and Character Designer (specifcally for CG animation) for both Kyoto and Tokyo.




EDIT: How long has Nintendo's job site had Switch Sports (and Mario Kart Booster Course Pass) stuff? Never seen it before.

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LIL T-POSE ISABELLE
 
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TheSpearGuy said:
Are we assuming that NST is working on the next 3D Mario now ?
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I don't know if we can make surefire assumptions about who they're working with, but working with EPD 8 in some capacity would be as good a guess as any. Like sure, they could be doing their own project, or working with another EPD group, or they might even have been assigned to work with Retro Studios or NLG.

But their most recent and most significant work recently was Bowser's Fury, working in conjunction with EPD 8 and 1-Up, so continuing in that vein does make sense. It might be co-development work for 3D Mario; but more interesting might be that they lead development on their own title that's produced by EPD 8. Presumably they have some familiarity with the technology and assets used to create 3D World and Captain Toad, given NST's work on Bowser's Fury and the 3DS and Switch ports of Captain Toad itself. In an ideal world, NST make a comeback as lead developer of a new Captain Toad, or perhaps a similar 3D Mario spin-off.
 
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