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I didn’t say I played Xenoblade. Are you having a bad night or something?
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Pre-Release Pokémon Scarlet and Violet — Pre-release Discussion Thread (UPDATE: new trailer, see threadmarks)
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So you say you love their worlds and yet you haven't even played the games?
You love them so much that you're not even interested in playing any Xenoblade games or Xenoblade 3. Right, lol.
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How come? They are completely different campaigns.
Eh, I disagree. If you can truly go where you want from the get go, that would do wonders for replayability. I'd be able to plan a team and get them all early on to use throughout the whole game, instead of being constrained by when they show up in a linear campaign. I could choose a completely different team each time and venture out in a completely different direction to obtain it.
Do you have some sort of complex over other franchises being more successful than Xenoblade or something? Like Jesus Christ what prompted this childish attack
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This really isn't the vibe here so I'm going to block you at this point.So you say you love their worlds and yet you haven't even played the games?
You love them so much that you're not even interested in playing any Xenoblade games or Xenoblade 3.
and fyi, not that I owe you this explanation – but Xeno DE is next up on my buy list for when I clear out my current RPGs from my backlog. Feel free to look through my post history and find posts I've made since Xeno 3's announcement looking for advice to get into the series. But sure, you totally know my interests lol.
My original point was that I like games with different level of detail for specific times. During weekdays visually overwhelming games can be hard for me after work. That's all. It wasn't an attack on Xenoblade which you seem to internalized it as. Were you genuinely upset Xenoblade isn't in my avatar? Why would I be planning to buy 3 if I haven't yet played 1/2.
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Yeah I suppose an open world could still be pretty cool, but I really think it would still blend even better with PLA's action.
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Well don't get me wrong, I much prefer Arceus' catching system too. But I think there are plenty of other benefits to an open world in the context of Pokémon that don't necessitate it coming back, though I would like it to.
Maybe. When you're favourite series is one that's had to fight an uphill battle for 12 years within the Nintendo fanbase against popular, long-established Nintendo IP and struggle to carve out its own place amidst Nintendo fans who'd mostly only care about Mario, Zelda and Pokemon, it's easy to feel the way I do.
For you and Nintendo fan's who's favourite franchises are the latter, they'll never understand what this is like. It's a different world when you're the underdog.
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The elements of Arceus that interest me are open areas with roaming Pokemon, overworld areas and new catching.
It is early to say, but it is looking like those elements will be there in some capacity
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The Xenoblade franchise is more successful than ever now and Monolith has been extremely prolific on the Switch so I have no idea what you think is gained by attacking others. At worst you'll turn away potential new fans.
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Well said. Nothing is ever going to change if one perpetuates an "us" vs "them" mentality. Part of what has me so interested in Xenoblade, beyond having wanted to play it since back on the Wii, is knowing how involved Monolith has been in Nintendo's other works lately. If they are even partially responsible for the magic of botw's world, I want to give their games a chance. We can lean into moments like that and Xenoblade's representation in smash rather than putting up walls.
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...Dude Xenoblade has had an entry for almost every year of the Switch's lifespan. Who cares what some fans think about the games when Nintendo very clearly cares a lot about the franchise?
And regardless there's absolutely no reason to be so damn rude and aggressive just because you feel your favorite franchise was slighted in some way
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Pitting Xenoblade against Nintendo's other offerings with an us vs. them narrative would probably do the opposite of what you want though. Xenoblade's been gaining popularity over the years, there's nothing to be mad about. Not every franchise needs to be Pokemon popular and that's fine. Stuff like this just makes us look like crazies lol
edit: and while I was typing that, other posters already covered it. Sorry, didn't mean to dogpile or anything
I’m a fire emblem fan since it’s first NA release. Never had a childish attack like yours cause in the end, it’s just video games. I don’t care if people don’t like Fire emblem. I just personally want to play them. It’s not a different world, you’re just making it personal
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Monolith has released Xenoblade X in 2015, Xenoblade 2 in 2017, a standalone expansion in 2018 that's practically it's own game, a remaster/remake in 2020, and a new game in 2022.
There's been 5 mainline games in the Xenoblade franchise in the last 7 years. 4 if you don't include remasters. 3 if you don't include an incredibly lengthy expansion. But either way, it's kind of semantics. That's more consistent game releases than mainline Mario and Zelda, and about the same amount as Pokemon.
Xenoblade fans have been well served on the Switch. There's no reason to be this insecure.
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Well, I might as well take this opportunity to shill the Xenoblade games at least. Especially if X ever gets ported to the Switch or the succ, y'all owe it to me to buy five copies each so that we can find the key we've lost and get a sequel greenlit. That is all, thank you for your time
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I just want to say, over the course of twelve hours, I went from thinking Fuecoco was the dumbest thing I've ever seen to falling in love with him. He's an apple dino and it's adorable! Please don't disappoint with the evolutions, Game Freak
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That makes more sense with being a fire type and I see the shape in the tail, but the eye/muzzle area looks like apple flesh, like they sliced it open at the head. The stem is more apple than pepper as well. It's like they started with the idea of making him a pepper but then the head turned into an apple. Oh well, I love him regardless.
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As someone on media blackout (well, visual media) who hasn't even seen what the starters look like, this particular description puts quite a gruesome image in my head
Guess we're finally getting that M rated mature Pokémon game
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This legitimately made me burst out laughing. I'm so sorry if I actually spoiled something for you, but I can assure you, the image in your head is probably far off from the real thing
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No haha, I wouldn't be reading this thread if I cared about those kinds of spoilers. I just don't wanna see the world or designs. But imagining my own takes on them for now is part of the fun. In my mind right now, Sprigatito is green Litten, Fuecoco is a dino with a chili pepper head and Quaxly is mad duck from Earthbound except blue and with a pompadourThis legitimately made me burst out laughing. I'm so sorry if I actually spoiled something for you, but I can assure you, the image in your head is probably far off from the real thing
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i really really wanted this to be at the least 2 years from Arceus so they can fully implement what worked best about it and really take their time making the best new proper 'open world' pokemon.
i just don't know about this one. clearly it's been in dev long before Arceus, like following S&S. and i can only assume with some half of GF's dev team since many were working on LA. it's like the worst of all worlds really, coming too soon with not enough dev resources or proper feedback implemented. not a lot of core game changes are possible within less than a year
now we're gonna have like the literal 3rd mainline pokemon within a single fiscal year and it's so weird to think about
i just don't know about this one. clearly it's been in dev long before Arceus, like following S&S. and i can only assume with some half of GF's dev team since many were working on LA. it's like the worst of all worlds really, coming too soon with not enough dev resources or proper feedback implemented. not a lot of core game changes are possible within less than a year
now we're gonna have like the literal 3rd mainline pokemon within a single fiscal year and it's so weird to think about
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As a huge fan of Sun/Moon, yes they were somewhat unfinished. The main offender was Victory Road (aka 'turn to the right turn to the left, you reached your destination' road), which was completely redone (surely fulfilling the original plan) as a dungeon in USUM. Now, compared to SwSh they were the most finished and well-rounded games ever, lol.
gonna stop being rammy for a minute to spread the joy of auto-populated mistranslation articles
I believe I'm leaning towards shutting myself on the train at 14 o'clock. I can't deal with its adorable, warped expression.
No haha, I wouldn't be reading this thread if I cared about those kinds of spoilers. I just don't wanna see the world or designs. But imagining my own takes on them for now is part of the fun. In my mind right now, Sprigatito is green Litten, Fuecoco is a dino with a chili pepper head and Quaxly is mad duck from Earthbound except blue and with a pompadour
The third one is the one closer to reality haha!
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I wanted them to take their time too; but in regards to implementing elements from Legends, I think it's fairly apparent based on what they've shown that Game Freak bet heavily on the game being recieved well and are already retaining elements from it as new series staples. Probably helped that Ohmori was a producer on Legends and and is (most certainly) directing these games; would've been developed in tandom for most of their production cycles.
They're evolving further from large (but still segmented) areas of Legends to a fully connected open world, now also including towns. Battles seemlessly occur on the overworld again just like Legends. We haven't seen how it all plays out; there's a chance we may not be freely throwing out Pokemon or items on the overworld in this game (hope not, would be a would be a huge shame), but from what we have to go off it really seems like the biggest inovations from Legends are sticking around.
I actually might prefer SwSh's artstyle. I think SV's artstyle might potentially make the rougher parts stick out more. But in no way does it look like a 3DS game or any other such hyperbole. Especially architecture, like the plaza or the protag's home or the town at night, looks great.
I assume it might be, because if they did VA, they'd like to do it in every selectable language, which is around 10, I think. Because there probably wouldn't be many other reasons against the typical Japanese and English VA a lot of games get, other than them letting players interpret the characters themselves.
I hoped they'd do a SwSh DLC-like expansion for PLA for this year with gen 9 releasing next year, but when it comes to taking things from PLA, the trailer at least implies the battle transitions being as snappy as in PLA. Since PLA is about making a PokéDex as opposed to going on an adventure to "be the very best", assuming that's the focus of SV anyway, some things might not come back, while some things in or not in PLA will, but I doubt the positive reception of PLA would've changed that.
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It is always funny because the casual eye, Legends appears like a course-correction when it is in fact a clear continuation of the work initiated since 2018.
While some elements will be exclusive to Legends, it is clear that silce S/M and US/UM, Game Freak worked to make the world more frictionless and immersive :
Pokémon Let's Go (2018) : Pokémon are now in the overworld, box accessible at all time.
Pokémon Sword/Shield (2019) : first open area with 3D contrallable camera in the series
Isle of Armor/Crown Thundra DLC (2020) : fully explorable open area, big step up over Sw/Sh Wild are
Pokémon Legends (2022) : seemless transition between battles and exploration, very big open areas, different sizes and types of Pokemon.
Pokémon Scarlet/Violet (2022) : completely open world
It is a logical continuation of their work since the S/M games which were very linear (but had other qualities to make up for it). Therefore, some the feedback on Legends will already be included into S/V since they were made with the same mindset.
While some elements will be exclusive to Legends, it is clear that silce S/M and US/UM, Game Freak worked to make the world more frictionless and immersive :
Pokémon Let's Go (2018) : Pokémon are now in the overworld, box accessible at all time.
Pokémon Sword/Shield (2019) : first open area with 3D contrallable camera in the series
Isle of Armor/Crown Thundra DLC (2020) : fully explorable open area, big step up over Sw/Sh Wild are
Pokémon Legends (2022) : seemless transition between battles and exploration, very big open areas, different sizes and types of Pokemon.
Pokémon Scarlet/Violet (2022) : completely open world
It is a logical continuation of their work since the S/M games which were very linear (but had other qualities to make up for it). Therefore, some the feedback on Legends will already be included into S/V since they were made with the same mindset.
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I don't know how anyone can be saying this is anything less than the best looking 3D Pokemon game from Game Freak. The texturing is already far more advanced than anything we've seen from them and the game will continue to be polished up until release. It's like night and day coming from Arceus.
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I've been wondering this. It's a big change to the world design, even if it's a logical development given recent Pokemon games. How will it affect the game's structure?
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Gyms shouldn't be much of an issue, they simply need multiple teams per gym leader and call the appropriate one depending on the number of gym badges you have. There's a rom hack of Crystal that does this and it works perfectly fine. The "in-between stuff" is gonna be more of a challenge but I don't expect S&V to be completely open anyway. Maybe they have some fixed gyms or a lower and upper circuit and you get to choose between 3-4 gyms.
I could see wild Pokémon level-scaling with ours. Or with the Gyms or an equivalent. Beat one, wild Pokémon go x levels up.
Curious if you'll be able to go to the Gym the most far out from the beginning or if some sections will be gated. Beat all Gyms in this part, then you can take a ferry to that one.
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With the introduction of a fully open world design, I'm also curious about dungeons. Recently entries skimped on this a lot unfortunately, and I'd actually prefer loading screens if it comes with intricate and expansive dungeons.
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They have the structure for it already established in different places across the series. For Wild Pokemon, they can increase levels in the major open areas based on game progress (ala Wild Areas in SwSh, Grand Underground in BDSP). For Gym Leaders, they should each have multiple teams they use depending on the order you face them in. The Pokemon Origins anime special established this as a canon thing in the Pokemon game universe almost a decade ago now, yet the games haven't really acted on it yet.
This is speculation but I feel like the plaza in that central city will be our one and only gym.
The usual Pokemon thread sadly
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This all sounds much more like the Pokemon game I'd like to play.They have the structure for it already established in different places across the series. For Wild Pokemon, they can increase levels in the major open areas based on game progress (ala Wild Areas in SwSh, Grand Underground in BDSP). For Gym Leaders, they should each have multiple teams they use depending on the order you face them in. The Pokemon Origins anime special established this as a canon thing in the Pokemon game universe almost a decade ago now, yet the games haven't really acted on it yet.
This... not so much.
Yeah, this is the usual way romhacks have tackled the tackle-any-gym approach.
I’m also thinking there’s going to be a set of lower and upper circuits, and you’ll be gated from the upper circuit til you finish all of the lower circuit.
I can at least see the dungeon design being better than base SwSh, even just in the SwSh DLC there’s a notable uptick in level design quality. Hopefully they build on top of that.
I’d like level-scaling to some extent but I hope they don’t go wild with it. On a related note I hope we get custom difficulty options… for example I like having EXP share on but I feel like the current system gives way too much EXP to everyone. Would be nice if I could knock the payout down by 30-40%.
Lol... Im afraid that I might be right. I find it weird that they focus on that area too many times.
That area might be:
-Hub area where battling is the main attraction of the city.
-School grounds based on the trainers uniform
The worse outcome:
The game structure will be the same as arceus where there is a main big city where the gym(plaza) is located and you are task to complete the pokedex,as a reward you are given a chance to fight the "gym leader"
But looking at the picture again I find it highly unlikely.
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I'd kinda prefer Easy, Normal and Challenge Modes a la BW2 (except, you know, available from the start) but this could work.
If it's anything like SwSh I'm probably just going to have to swap my team out constantly just to maintain some semblance of challenge.
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I think they’ve tried to make it as clear as possible that this game isn’t structured like Arceus by calling it open world in many different places; “Various towns blend seamlessly into the wilderness with no borders.”
Would there even be a purpose to other towns beyond the starting one with Arceus’ structure?
Would there even be a purpose to other towns beyond the starting one with Arceus’ structure?
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Yeah, I feel like it's the best way to keep the overall 8 gym leader structure while making it fairly open and could also fix some of the early game frustration for less experienced players. I imagine something like the first three gyms being Grass, Fire and Water type (for example). The prof advises you to go to the one that's weak to your starter's type but you can tackle them in any order you want. And when you beat all three, you can move on to the next four and the last one before the E4 is fixed. This way they'd have to create "only" 26 different teams versus 64 for a completely open structure.
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Only if the world was small, I guess; but I agree. The way they're talking about this an Arceus style structure doesn't sound at all on the cards. I didn't expect to be this interested in a new Pokemon generation in 2022 but I'll be keeping an eye on it, for sure.
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there are two shields in the trailer with oranges and grapes. probably it will take on the importance of our citrics and wine, maybe they are two new teams fighting each other to be the most important in the region?
its true that those two are really important fruits in the region that make most of the exports... im thinking in olives for DLC lol
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all i can really see are the very apparant jaggies and the thrown-out cell-shading making for a less appealing look. the open environments especially look more akin to S&S Wild Areas than LA to me. the tech wizards might be seeing improvements but it's pretty hard for me as a layman
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