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StarTopic Nintendo Direct Speculation |ST7| It’s Showtime People! Famiboards Productions Proudly Presents: What Lies Beyond The Door? Act II - Rebirth
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Yeah Grubb wasn't part of the "Partner on the 15th" stuff, no rep on the line, so he coulda just said nothing. But yet if he's insisting as hard as he is that there totally was something but it was shifted, then... why? Why on earth would he jump up and say that (and then double down) instead of just chilling, unless there's something to it?
Reminds me of when Digital Foundry eventually chimed in on the Switch Pro stuff with the "it totally existed, but was shelved" story. Why would they open themselves up after all that time and lie to cover someone else's back? Unless.. they aren't lying.
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Man, some people must really hate insiders that much for them to register a Famiboards account for the sole purpose of harrassing them, not that I condone that behavior of course.
While it's unfortunate that today isn't our faithful Nintendo Direct day, the month of February is not over, as we still have about half the month remaining, so a direct could happen at any point really.
While it's unfortunate that today isn't our faithful Nintendo Direct day, the month of February is not over, as we still have about half the month remaining, so a direct could happen at any point really.
rickyson33
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I feel like there's this weird sense of hero worship around this stuff sometimes that leads to a lot of the hurt feelings when things don't pan out
it all just feels a little icky and parasocial to me at times to be honest and it's tricky because it's not like insiders(at least not the ones that actually get talked about around here) actually do anything to cultivate that it's more just something that happens
To some people insiders are considered criminals who spoil surprises for fame and personal gain, so I can understand why many criticize them to such an extent. I'm not okay with that and I like "cryptic" insiders; but I don't like insiders who leak every detail. For example, I love Pyoro.
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I said this the other week, but people get super hung up on what Jeff Grubb and Andy Robinson say because they have strong track records, but they’re journalists. They report news once they hear it from two or more sources, and only when they hear it from two or more sources. Yet if something doesn’t come to fruition, people attack them. They’re just guys doing their jobs! And doing a good and diligent job! Necro and Nate might not be formal, old-school journalists in the same way, but it’s a similar deal. They’re doing their jobs!
In sports, if a journalist ‘leaks’ a player is talking to another team but doesn’t end up signing, nobody attacks the journalist for being wrong. In movies, if a journalist writes such and such actor is in talks for movie X but doesn’t end up doing the film, nobody attacks them. Yet games has this weird habit of deifying and then tearing down guys and gals just doing their jobs.
BlackthornOrion
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ngl, at this point pump that shit into my veins. Gives me something to chew on while waiting for the actual news, and once the "official" reveal happens there's still that moment of either "oh wow, that leak was way off base" or "oh wow, so it was all real"
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Just tell me the date and nothing else personally.
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This kinda goes with what I said on the previous page. People treat Nate like they know him in real life. I've seen people on here joke about buying an onlyfans for his feet pics. I'm not sure how Nate felt about that, but I would be extremely uncomfortable if complete strangers were saying that to me.
Heres my golden rule with online interaction. If you wouldn't do it in real life, don't do it at all.
I always figured he had a source in NoA based on how he talks. To my understanding It would make sense how he knows games are finished but not when they will come out.
Also, people are gonna hate him more now after the Prime 4 stuff he just said lmfao.
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Unfortunately people do be saying this in real life too
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When the direct finally airs, I hope we look back on this thread and ask ourselves if it was worth it.
I'm all for continuing to have speculation threads, especially since we get so many great jokes but also critically think through things. The hostility when things don't pan out is tough to see, though.
Years ago when I was first starting college, I joined a different forum (not the purple one or the one before that) and engaged quite a bit. I specifically remember many great discussions about the Zelda series as I played through some of those games for the first time. However, I got aggressive and defensive when people disagreed with me, probably because I was obsessed with being right. I was a bratty kid, basically -- I don't mean to suggest that about anyone in particular here, I'm just talking about how I was. I eventually left that forum and didn't join any new ones for a while, and that time away from these things helped me to chill out and not take it too seriously.
What's the point of me sharing this? It's just to say, lighten up a bit! Even when the news cycle slows down, there's lots of fun to be had engaging with the many great posters on Famiboards. I've really enjoyed sharing my love of Metroid, my progress in Trails games, my completed games lists, and many other things during my time here. I understand the frustration with the current situation, but at the end of the day, we will be fine.
Anyways, I'm not trying to lecture anyone here, just sharing what's on my mind. I'm gonna sleep now, I have a bad fever and it is not a fun time
I'm all for continuing to have speculation threads, especially since we get so many great jokes but also critically think through things. The hostility when things don't pan out is tough to see, though.
Years ago when I was first starting college, I joined a different forum (not the purple one or the one before that) and engaged quite a bit. I specifically remember many great discussions about the Zelda series as I played through some of those games for the first time. However, I got aggressive and defensive when people disagreed with me, probably because I was obsessed with being right. I was a bratty kid, basically -- I don't mean to suggest that about anyone in particular here, I'm just talking about how I was. I eventually left that forum and didn't join any new ones for a while, and that time away from these things helped me to chill out and not take it too seriously.
What's the point of me sharing this? It's just to say, lighten up a bit! Even when the news cycle slows down, there's lots of fun to be had engaging with the many great posters on Famiboards. I've really enjoyed sharing my love of Metroid, my progress in Trails games, my completed games lists, and many other things during my time here. I understand the frustration with the current situation, but at the end of the day, we will be fine.
Anyways, I'm not trying to lecture anyone here, just sharing what's on my mind. I'm gonna sleep now, I have a bad fever and it is not a fun time
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As long as the Switch 2 gets revealed in March preferably in the first two weeks then i will forever be beholden to Nate and Necro, but worst case scenario and nothing is revealed while i will be highly disappointed, it wouldnt even cross my mind to want to harass or threaten to harm them for something me as an ADULT chose to believe myself
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You seem to be wilfully missing the point.
It doesn't matter how you feel about inisders/leakers, harassing them whether it be insults or death threats etc is not fucking ok.
Saying you understand why people criticise them to such an extent is messed up.
Kevin
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It's my time to pop in to remind you that most people here and elsewhere value your information as well as having you as a member just to shoot the breeze and talk about videogames and such with.
One thing I've learned over the years is, the bigger the forums, the more opinions will vary. You can not please everyone and should never try to. Losing battle.
One of the reasons I don't like posting much on really large forums is because no matter what you say, someone will be offended or dislike your opinion even if it's the most generic answer you can possibly give. There are sometimes hundreds of people reading your words and while 99 percent of them may agree it's more then likely the 1 percent that will take the time to complain or cause an argument. That's the internet.
The bottom line is this, you will always run into people you disagree with something you say and get pissy with you. All you can do us ignore them. Wish I could tell every single famous person this. Must be hell for them. I use to run websites and do insider stuff many years ago and people were the same then. So I got years of experience with the hate lol.
I appreciate having you around. I may not agree with absolutely every opinion of yours but I recognize your opinion and respect your opinion all the same. I hope you will stick around, embrace the hate (had to make a funny) and remember that the majority of folks here and elsewhere enjoy having you around and your contributions to these forums whether it be insider knowledge or just a fun opinion and thoughts on some cool new videogames.
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There's a new date already. As I'm planning to, anyone who knows is probably just gonna keep it to themselves after today, haha.
As I've said before, though, tuning out until next week is a great idea.
Appreciate it, man!
Hahaha, that sounds like a fun idea, but also intimidating. There's too many people creating videogame content in English as it is =P
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I think there is a massive difference between people who leak and get information in unethical ways, via blackmail, hacking, robbery, etc., and people who do journalistic reporting on rumors they hear coming out of a company/developers about something happening soon.
I do agree that most leaks aren't good for the industry and the creatives who make the games we play, and I do think sometimes it can be very cheap to just leak something RIGHT before it happens. Leaks like what happened to Insomniac last year were awful because they leaked a good chunk of employees' personal information, it leaked all of their plans for the next 10 years, and it was due to a Ransomware attack. However, sites like IGN didn't bother reporting on the damage it did, at least in its headlines. They only promoted that Insomniac was working on a brand new Marvel IP and that it was planned to be released by 2030 or whatever, failing to acknowledge the harm it did to the company and the people who are actually going to make those games. Even if it was briefly mentioned in the article, that type of leak and reporting is obviously wrong. However, that doesn't mean people can't be curious about the details that were leaked or that they shouldn't be allowed to talk about it. (Obviously, unless it was about the personal information that was leaked. Spreading that sort of thing could be and has been incredibly dangerous and harmful.)
People like Nate, Necro, and Jeff Grubb aren't leaking things or reporting on rumors due to their blood lust or something. While they do try to build a platform out of their information, they only do journalistic reporting on rumors coming out of specific companies, which isn't unethical. Nobody people talk about often here in good faith has, to anyone's knowledge, gotten their information in an unethical way or has skewed values and not a good understanding of what is right and wrong. Some journalists are banned from being talked about/sourced here due to what they've said or done to other people and their values; even if their information has been "accurate," nobody wants to promote that kind of person. That needs to be understood.
Of course, this sort of thing will always fall into more of a "gray" zone than it being a purely "good" or "bad" area, and while I feel like mainstream "leak culture" does a lot more harm than good, I feel like many people here are more victims of mainstream "leak culture" than actually being apart of it. For example, speculators often get their posts stolen, and then 10-20 minute YouTube videos get made about their research with no compensation and rarely credit (cough cough); many news sites fail to report on an investigation somebody might do on a rumor and simply reduce what happened so much to fit into a clickbait headline, being extremely vague to get clicks, then said person gets harassed on Twitter and other social media platforms due to that vagueness or because they reached the wrong conclusion or the information was simply just wrong.
It's important to be aware that not everyone who has information or "leaks" gets it in the same way, reports on it in the same way, or leaks it for the same reason. I wouldn't generalize every insider or person who has information about a video game company as "criminal," as that's bluntly false and is a gross generalization of many people. The best we can do is try to filter out the good and the bad and make sure nobody is harmed when something is leaked and that nobody is harmed when somebody tries to obtain information. Unfortunately, there have been many people who have done very wrong things to get their information, causing many journalists to quit. Though thankfully, it has been a good couple of years since I've seen somebody like that.
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He leaks everything in detail, what are you on about.
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The actually disappointing stuff about the state of Nintendo inside info focused reporters is that there’s no one who provides additional insight on the Nintendo side other than… Did You Know Gaming?
There’s no reporting in budget numbers or sales expectations or reboots and why or devs leaving and why or about how a game came abou.
Even accurate leaking has often just been limited to like Direct dates which is like… okay. But we would have learned that anyway in a week or two.
There’s no reporting in budget numbers or sales expectations or reboots and why or devs leaving and why or about how a game came abou.
Even accurate leaking has often just been limited to like Direct dates which is like… okay. But we would have learned that anyway in a week or two.
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People just get too invested in leaks; we have to remember that most of the time leaks come from marketing people, localization teams, or secondhand from people with those connections and things can change by the time that info is out. To attack people just because they want to have fun and share whatever little tidbits they hear on the grapevine is pathetic and immature.
Ok, but I still want my podcasts.
Btw when is the next one? Honestly if you add John to your daily rotation more often along with MVG it makes the show so much better, because of your different backgrounds within the industry, all you inputs are actually nice to hear, and then as a listeners we create our own opinions.
A lot of people missed the fact that a lot of what you do while it may or not be based on leaks, it is speculation and it is called informed speculation, again because of your roles within the industry right.
We should have an ST for Nates podcasts, I'm mean we have YouTube comments, but I would love to discuss with other famimembers.
See you at the next podcast Nate.
Thank you!
For repeatedly talking past and handwaving away the level of harassment insiders face you have been banned for two weeks and permanently threadbanned. -xghost777, mariodk18, Barely Able
I don't understand why understanding something is messed up. You tell that to psychologists and they laugh
It is just seeing the point of view of others. You can agree with that opinion or not; but it is what it is. There are millions of people who have a different opinion/point of view than you, but it doesn't mean that understanding it is messed up.
I completely agree. And as I said, I like “cryptic” leaks; the kind that you really don't know what it is about until it is officially announced.
In detail? I don't agree.
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I'm so conflicted after the entire situation today. For this discussion board, I feel like it's really interesting because this is kind of an unknown that we didn't think we'd be in today where, while I do think it's probably still a Partner Showcase, it does present the question on if it is something different, like a Mini or General. No matter what, I wonder what day it will be next week because, like I expressed with Mario vs Donkey Kong, I was a little hesitant about a Direct being today because it would've aired in the middle of the release cycle for the game. I feel like the same thing would happen with Side Order next week for Wednesday and Thursday, which is very interesting (and may have been why maybe I had some hope for a Normal Mini haha). Overall, I do think this little change in the plans is something I think that's fun to think about and discuss since we've all been in the realm of it is very likely a Partner Showcase.
However, for me, this has been a really tiring speculation period, likely because I was maybe a little more involved in it than I usually am. I do think the reactions (not really here because there was a very small amount of people here throwing any hate to anyone and I feel like most people were just speculating) have taken somewhat of a toll on my mood surrounding this upcoming direct, no matter what it is. There's just been a lot of mean stuff and words thrown around for no reason towards those that just wanted to help guide us a little during this Direct cycle and I don't really think that is what this should all be about because all of us, I feel, just want to have fun - so it's just been somewhat saddening to see... I'm sorry if I'm rambling a little.
However, for me, this has been a really tiring speculation period, likely because I was maybe a little more involved in it than I usually am. I do think the reactions (not really here because there was a very small amount of people here throwing any hate to anyone and I feel like most people were just speculating) have taken somewhat of a toll on my mood surrounding this upcoming direct, no matter what it is. There's just been a lot of mean stuff and words thrown around for no reason towards those that just wanted to help guide us a little during this Direct cycle and I don't really think that is what this should all be about because all of us, I feel, just want to have fun - so it's just been somewhat saddening to see... I'm sorry if I'm rambling a little.
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So you're in favor of the harassment of insiders? Because I'd like to remind you that was the main point that got the person threadbanned.I don't understand why understanding something is messed up. You tell that to psychologists and they laugh
It is just seeing the point of view of others. You can agree with that opinion or not; but it is what it is. There are millions of people who have a different opinion/point of view than you, but it doesn't mean that understanding it is messed up.
I'm baiting a bit with that question but still.
He leaked stuff in such detail at times so I don't know what to think about this, like the last September Direct was very much spoilery and very clear on his part and I didn't mind it.
Pyoro leaked F-Zero 99 (the hints + the likes he did), Princess Peach Showtime name in full, Mario VS Donkey Kong went from a bit vague to outright clear in small time, I dunno why you think he doesn't leak in detail.
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Haven’t followed this thread much today, been playing fire emblem echoes (this might be top 3 FE for me omg)
Are we thinking a shadow drop could happen tomorrow? Or next week on Wed/Thurs?
Are we thinking a shadow drop could happen tomorrow? Or next week on Wed/Thurs?
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I think the consensus is likely next week, but truthfully it is up in the air…
In any case, I doubt anyone is going to be telling us beforehand this time, so it’ll probably be a surprise.
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Next week or later.
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so for what it's worth, Pyoro liked Grubb's tweet saying "they were discussing moving the direct because of the Xbox business update"
I don't usually like to read too much into twitter likes, but Pyoro has a history of liking tweets that get things "right"
I don't usually like to read too much into twitter likes, but Pyoro has a history of liking tweets that get things "right"
Just chiming in to add a +1 to what the vast majority of people are saying. I appreciate your contributions, time, and effort put into your podcast, enjoy your posts here, and am grateful for the logical conversations that you spur.
I'd understand if the people who can't apply nuance to anything make it untenable to continue doing this, but also just wanted to put my voice out there saying that this forum and conversations, as well as the ones I have outside of here with other friends, would be significantly less interesting without your input.
Maybe Bluesky instead of Twitter?
Number1000DKFan
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Harassing leakers is completely wrong and anyone doing it should be permabanned
That being said, it is funny how even mentioning certain unmentionable leakers can get you into trouble while others get the kid glove treatment
Honestly, a voted tier system seems like the best approach with denigration of any leakers banned
That being said, it is funny how even mentioning certain unmentionable leakers can get you into trouble while others get the kid glove treatment
Honestly, a voted tier system seems like the best approach with denigration of any leakers banned
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An insider tier list you say??? Now where have I heard that before...
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I see what you're saying, but if a certain leaker tries to start shit with several members of the forum and regularly deletes wrong predictions to appear right, that person should be classified as misinformation, like how you wouldn't use a bad source for an essay.
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Okay fair
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Certain leakers are "unmentionable" not because of insider status but because of the ways they've treated this community. It's not "some leakers protected, other leakers bannable," it's "please don't bring up people with a history of toxic behavior towards us and our users."
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Underrated game. The maps and some of the mechanics feel old but the presentation and music are top notch.
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On the offchance this isn't a gag I'm falling for, the reason certain insiders/leakers are banned from discussion is because those leakers have made it clear their antagonistic feelings towards individuals of our community and community as a whole. There is no single individual with a perfect track record, but at least the ones that haven't been proven to be stealing other claims for clout nor just making shit up haven't gone on the defensive with poorly written diatribes.
No need for a tier list of insider trustworthiness when all it does is make it easier for companies like Nintendo to round up and choke out these sources like shooting fish in a barrel, least of all open these individuals up to further harassment just because certain people have an "all or nothing" expectation about what news is coming out and expectation of news from insiders/leakers.
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That looks great for Octopath, but horrendous for Pokemon, to be honest.
What do you guys think about a potential 2.5HD remake of a Pokemon game? Cool idea or the idea is too overdone?
(Credit for the image to Dott)
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What did he say?
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Honestly the reason so much news comes out of leakers is just because something is guaranteed 90% happening, doesn't mean it wants to be announced until it's 99% happening. Even then, having to backtrack announcements when games end up being delayed or outright cancelled hurts a company's reputation.
But to have announcements made pre-mature, only to be delayed without explanation, well what hurts more? And who deserves the ire* more?
(*ire being understandable frustration, not death threats made over video games)
But to have announcements made pre-mature, only to be delayed without explanation, well what hurts more? And who deserves the ire* more?
(*ire being understandable frustration, not death threats made over video games)
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Honestly 2.5HD Pokemon is about the only game I actually care to receive that stylized remake, and I know it's never going to happen unless someone has the capacity to AM2R it and not say a goddamn thing about what they're working on so it can't get C&D'd until it is already out in the wild.
What do you guys think about a potential 2.5HD remake of a Pokemon game? Cool idea or the idea is too overdone?
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BlackthornOrion
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A little of both? It's starting to feel overdone, but it's a cool idea and I'll allow it for Pokemon
What do you guys think about a potential 2.5HD remake of a Pokemon game? Cool idea or the idea is too overdone?
(Credit for the image to Dott)
For some reason I think Gen 5 in particular lends itself to that style pretty well
He mentioned that one of his sources told him a while back that Nintendo was gearing up for a big marketing push for Prime 4 around May 2024; should mention he heavily caveated that with it being fairly old information and he wouldn't count on that still being accurate; the main reason he brought it up was to explain why he drafted Metroid Prime 4 for Fantasy Critic
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I feel like if we take this at face value, maybe the Direct was pushed or delayed quickly after Microsoft announced their intention to do the podcast last week...? Maybe by Wednesday last week, they had already made the decision to move it?
that a trusted source had told him a bit ago that Nintendo was going to start a marketing campaign for Prime 4 in like May. He did also add that he thinks those plans have probably changed.
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Oh! That's really interesting honestly! Obviously as he mentions, it could change but I wonder if that means from what he has heard from that moment, if he thinks maybe that's when the Switch 2 Presentation would happen as well? I don't really think they'd push the reveal/announcement of it that far out but I could see that being around the time of the presentation?
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