Its more the fact that a handheld capable of having the same performance as PS5 would be:
You can get lazy ports even without DLSS.
3: Not physically possible.
From all of your posts, I can see that you are not the Switch 2 target gamer. You have so high demands. You mush better stay at 200 watt console & PC (including 15 - 25 watt PC handhelds) than +- 10 watt Switch 2
you can't use one game to judge dlss. it's just a black box. good data in, good data out. it's really up to the devs to make it work best
I'm a nintendo gamer
You're right, that's why I've often said doom eternal is the best case for dlss because it demonstrates that almost all dlss modes cause no real performance loss, which is shocking, but I can't presuppose that most games will be as optimized for dlss as it is. I'm testing 2077 to see how it goes.
I'm sorry, but Nash is a known fake leaker, and this thread had this message reposted a long time ago, and considering Nash's credibility, this rumor isn't very credible.
I genuinely don't think it's a mistake! You play on the platform that gives you the best experience!
To play devil's advocate... I think it'd be more accurate to say no commercially competitive handheld on par with PS5 can be made with current technology. If you're okay with having Sega Nomad-tier battery life, having to play through oven mitts because of how hot it gets, and a 'handheld' that weighs two pounds, all for the low, low price of $999, then I firmly believe the technology is there. You 'just' need a massive SoC and a laptop battery.
I'm certainly aware that ray reconstruction works on both Turing and Ampere, but if NVIDIA needs to keep pushing it's high end graphics cards, it's basically a logically inevitable fact that older architectures will lose more new technology.
There's no basis to say this? One of the perks of having an rtx card in your console, is that Nvidia is constantly refining the software.
If you're referring to SR, I've already said many days ago that drake will definitely benefit from the improvements in SR that came after dlss4, even including the ray reconstruction follow-on (I'm not sure if dlss3.5 is a full version of this technology), I'm referring to the fact that more brand new technologies that were added only after dlss4 will most likely not be implemented on the Ampere anymore.
Yeah... That's not a handheld, might as well call it a laptop. Even then, it will not get close to a PS5 because of memory bandwidth in the real world, can't fool physics for this one. You can see the outcome of this "bigger high clocked chip" idea without the bandwidth to back it up by looking at the Z1 Extreme handhelds.To play devil's advocate... I think it'd be more accurate to say no commercially competitive handheld on par with PS5 can be made with current technology. If you're okay with having Sega Nomad-tier battery life, having to play through oven mitts because of how hot it gets, and a 'handheld' that weighs two pounds, all for the low, low price of $999, then I firmly believe the technology is there. You 'just' need a massive SoC and a laptop battery.
It would probably look more like a portable DVD player than a handheld, so I guess you're right after all. Something like...
For real though, PS5 draws 200W on 7nm. On 3nm, with a wider and slower design, I'm sure you could hit 10Tflops with 40W or less, then 20 watts for an ARM CPU of eight performance cores clocked around 3.5Ghz, add in RAM, storage, screen, and with everything pushed to PS5-equivalent performance* you really could get an hour of battery life off a 75Wh laptop battery. It's a stupid idea, but it is possible.
And now I kind of want one.
*I admit memory and storage might be bandwidth constrained versus PS5, even in this highly-optimistic napkin math. But that's the sole concession.
Remember when the 360 had 32 MB of the ram reserved for the OS? Pepperidge farm remembers.
Definitely talking about the Xbox Series devkit. I totally knew it was getting DLSS.
The switch 2 has a better chance because of everything you mentioned and having a superior architecture, but the AMD chips used on high end PC handhelds so far can barely outpace a 2013 PS4 in raster GPU performance, like the Z1 Extreme in question.
I was thinking of something more among the lines of a Surface Pro 1 with game controls tacked on. That device is very thick for a tablet, and when you combine that with its length and height, you could conceivably fit a few vapor chambers and other cooling tricks in there. Combine that with something like an RTX 4070M, and...I'm not sure how close that would get to the PS5, but it's interesting to think about even though it would be completely impractical.It would probably look more like a portable DVD player than a handheld, so I guess you're right after all. Something like...
Someone here said that anything is CPU bound, the Series S will perform better and GPU bound would be a toss up, right?
Yeah right, the gpu comparisons are each a winner and a loser, but the cpu is really the bottleneck for switch2, even though there aren't a lot of games that really need to use a lot of cpu performance at the moment (Baldur's Gate 3 and DD2 are two of them)
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Switch 2 will be the most collaborated console with third party to date.
I'm just considering the fact that they can only show off the amazing graphical technology of this device on first party games, and I can't be satisfied at all with third party utilization of this device if it's generally similar to something like Alan Wake2.
If the screen were on the top like a tablet instead of being a clamshell, and it had controls on the side, that wouldn't be much different from a Steam Deck in size. The picture is of a PS One, not PS1.
nah, Nintendo engineers are still engineers. they'll want as much ram as can be crammed into the device. they would have asked for 12GB as well (or more since that's possible) and got it because the bean counters could fit it into the budget
All we need is 4nm TSMC and we're golden.
Just to put in perspective the numbers you threw around here, 75W+ is where the power consumption of a fat PS4 (a home console) starts, with peaks of 156W when pushed. A 192 bits GDDR6 interface is going to ballon that way more, the existing turbo mode of the Rog Ally peaks at 30W... Your math is extremely optimistic and even then, is that even the power consumption of a handheld device anymore? Saying the tech is there right now with the statistics you pitched even as an spitball is... unfounded, at least.
I'm actually still impressed with PS4 graphics and with Switch 2 at the minimum matching PS4, I can't wait!
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Well, the situation with PC handhelds is that they are still tied to the PC environment, and even with being AMD chips having RDNA2/3, they don't have full parity with their desktop/laptop counterparts, missing things like Infinity Cache.
Indeed, Switch 2 will do significantly better at approaching Series S performance when docked. Nvidia isn't the only GPU IP though... reaching that level of performance has proven extremely difficult, even in so called "turbo modes". Switch 2 will reach it and surpass it no doubt, no need for some to go out there and preemptively claim PS4 performance is "enough" or whatever.
he mentioned in the Switch 2 thread, that he'll make a video sometime in July.
When we have games like TLOU 2 and RDR 2, they still hold up today. The image quality, not so much, but that's not a problem today.
Definitely a landmark example for a 2016 title with top tier talent put into it! You can bemoan in that it won't be able to keep itself relevant for third party publishers well into the current generation, but in terms of feats achieved in a vacuum one certainly cannot complain. Luckily for everyone, it will be more powerful and bring in many modern features on par with the home consoles which have been throughly discussed in this thread.
That and let's remember that the Playstation 4 gave us games that look like this. If you told me this was a game released this past year on the PS5 and not ona console eight years ago, I'd believe you.
Even if the Switch 2 really was only as good as a Playstation 4, I don't think anyone can bemoan the power of a PS4 portably in your hands.
PS4 at minimum in terms of raw GPU power. This isn't even counting an improvement of architecture of at least 7 years with regards to similar capabilities, and then adding technologies on top of that like hardware ray tracing and DLSS. Like, a game on PS4 running at 1080p30 (because of the CPU) could be natively rendered at 540p60 on Switch 2, estimating a reduction of processing by half in a simple/inaccurate term, and upscaled via DLSS Performance mode to 1080p60 for portable mode. They could even throw the entirety of PS4-equivilent power into that 540p60 scenario for greater detail/effects.
I know but there are lots of amazing and not lazy ports by Third Party developers on Nintendo Switch. There is also the opposite.You can get lazy ports even without DLSS.
