Gotta move them goalposts or else their arguments don't holt water
at all. 
I actually used to have a family member who would do that to me with cars. He'd say "Japanese cars are trash and don't make any power," I'd point out that cars like the Supra and Skyline made over 300hp
in the 90s, putting them on par with the Corvette and above the Camaros and Mustangs of the day, and he said "no they lie on those horsepower readings, it was proven they all did it" and I pointed out that SAE standards actually govern how the horsepower is measured now, so those readings are legit and he said "bullshit, since when?" and I googled it and found they started standardizing horsepower measurements in the 80s and he said "I'm not talking about the new shit, I'm talking about back in the day when they made REAL cars, in the 60s and 70s" and I'd try to point out that that was incredibly circular because I'm giving him examples of why new cars are also "real" cars that make tons of power and he just kept talking me in circles and telling me everything I said was propaganda and fuck I hated him so much
I also can't stand "gamers," for similar reasons. Which was my point.
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