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The thing is... the only thing that would "compete" with what the Switch is doing is, like, twice the price and isn't in stores.

Would a more powerful Switch sell well? Probably. Will the current "underpowered" Switch continue to sell well as long as there continues to be good software? Probably.

Both can be true.
 
MusicProposition said:
I hope this doesn’t come off as rude, it’s not meant that way, but I really don’t get why this would be a problem. There’s always gonna be differing opinions and „stupid“ arguments, why don’t you ignore them? The fact that these videos and threads exist show that people think that way, and I don’t think that you or me have the right to deny those people and their opinions. They exist. If you want to challenge them, do so when you see a thread or comment on these videos. But I don’t see the point in trashing people because of a thing they might do in the future

Be it the hate on Arlo, DF, and other news sites, I think this forum has some kind of obsession with negative press about Nintendo, but I really don’t see a problem there.
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I get your point. But for me it's far more complicated, there are two worlds of people: the ones that don't care about hardware and the ones that are obsessed with a hardware. And that's not really a bad thing, but I feel like we've got to the point where people are dooming Nintendo if they are not releasing one any time soon.
 
stodesign12 said:
we are entering 2023 with just a portable console less powerful than other consoles which were introduced a decade ago.
The Switch is going to be fine a few years more, but I don't take for granted that a next gen console being just another Switch (the hybrid formfactor isn't something new and exciting anymore) with weak hardware is going to please the market again.
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Handhelds have always been less graphically capable than their stationary contemporaries. That is the fundamental nature of the beast. Whatever Nintendo's next hardware is, it will not be on par with the PS5 or XSX, because those consoles are very large and do not have batteries.

While Nintendo's home console business has been abandoned, their handhelds have historically been consistently robust, which is part of why they've reoriented their development around the Switch. There is no indication that the handheld market is in decline; if anything, Switch has prompted a renaissance of it, and will likely sell double what its predecessor, the 3DS, sold.
 
Apopheniac said:
Handhelds have always been less graphically capable than their stationary contemporaries. That is the fundamental nature of the beast. Whatever Nintendo's next hardware is, it will not be on par with the PS5 or XSX, because those consoles are very large and do not have batteries.

While Nintendo's home console business has been abandoned, their handhelds have historically been consistently robust, which is part of why they've reoriented their development around the Switch. There is no indication that the handheld market is in decline; if anything, Switch has prompted a renaissance of it, and will likely sell double what its predecessor, the 3DS, sold.
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I, for example, would be hard out on a successor that doesn't have handheld functionality. (There's been no indication this is happening.) Even if that makes it "less powerful." The portable nature is the selling point for me and my relationship with 90% of Nintendo games.
 
Raccoon said:
I feel you. This shit sucks. The next two years of discourse will boil down to guessing which missing teams are stuck in Drake hell, complaining about the technical deficiencies of the games that do come out, and speculation about Nintendo restructuring into some sort of multimedia brand synergy IP licensing and management company.
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Yesterday’s story gives us room to bury hardware talk for a good amount of time. If nothing else, when the OLED Zelda leaked we know we are good through the entire Summer at least.

Also in general, the amount of big games where hardware would have been a clear boost, all those big open world games we just had, already came out. Zelda won’t launch with hardware either. It’s time to switch the focus on discussion back on software at least for this upcoming Direct. There’s nothing exciting to speculate about games being held back for Drake, because none of those bigger games will be ready in time for 2024 again anyway. Cross gen games are going to be king when Switch 2 launches.
 
The Captain said:
With Zelda TotK releasing this year, what Zelda remake seems more likely to ship out next year? WW+TP HD? or an Oracles remake in the Link’s Awakening Style?
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I'd love new 'portable'/'2D' Zelda more than anything, but the safer bet these days - sadly - is another re-release. I'd take Oracles remakes over re-releases for WW/TP, but I'd take new 2D Zelda over anything old.

New 2D Zelda with either a new visual style or Link's Awakening style visuals please.
 
"Trapped in Drake/Successor" hell is silly when we know that modern games take years to make. The reality is the vast majority of games that started development in 2018-2021 were always planned to launch on the current Switch between 2021-2024 with maybe a few getting a pivot Switch successor version depending upon launch timing see BotW in 2017. People worked themselves into a shoot that Drake games HAD to be in development and that they could ONLY release on the Drake when history of our industry shows that simply isn't the case.

Tons of games throughout history were planned for more powerful specs or were planned with features that didn't pan out. The development team just adapts the game to fit the specs of the thing that actually released. Sometimes this is seamless, sometimes it's apparent, but it's far less common for finished games to be shelved for years until "strong enough hardware exists to launch this on".
 
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Ultimate one two closer for the next Direct would be Nintendo following up a banger Tears of the Kingdom trailer with a plinky plonky top-down portable Zelda announcement for 2024

I can dream
 
MisterSpo said:
I'd love new 'portable'/'2D' Zelda more than anything, but the safer bet these days - sadly - is another re-release. I'd take Oracles remakes over re-releases for WW/TP, but I'd take new 2D Zelda over anything old.

New 2D Zelda with either a new visual style or Link's Awakening style visuals please.
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I’m with you there, the last New 2D Zelda was..A Link Between Worlds? That game was fantastic.
 
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Speaking of 2D I’d take another 2D Metroid from Mercury Steam right about now. Even if its just a souped up re-release of Samus Returns. I wouldn’t mind a remake of Zero Mission either, never got to play it.
 
MisterSpo said:
I'd love new 'portable'/'2D' Zelda more than anything, but the safer bet these days - sadly - is another re-release. I'd take Oracles remakes over re-releases for WW/TP, but I'd take new 2D Zelda over anything old.

New 2D Zelda with either a new visual style or Link's Awakening style visuals please.
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Yep, I hope that visual doesn't die with Link's Awakening.
 
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MisterSpo said:
I'd love new 'portable'/'2D' Zelda more than anything, but the safer bet these days - sadly - is another re-release. I'd take Oracles remakes over re-releases for WW/TP, but I'd take new 2D Zelda over anything old.

New 2D Zelda with either a new visual style or Link's Awakening style visuals please.
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The "diorama" style was good for the Link's Awakening remake, and perhaps fitting, giving the theming of that game and trying to mimic the GB sprite's overall vibe. But I dunno if I want to see it again for the next game, whether it's another remake or not. I, for one, would be rooting for something new. Personally, I don't think I could take another segue from crisp, topline TOEI animation to diorama again. It was such a TEASE.

But speaking of re-releases...I wonder if they could bring back 4 Swords Adventure in some way. Being released on the Gamecube and requiring a specific setup requiring a peripheral and each player having their own GBA didn't do it any favors. But in a modern-day era, where local wireless and online play is a thing?
 
BassForever said:
You said the general public knows more about framerates, pcs, etc then it did a few years ago. I said "I wanna see the receipts" because the Switch being a massive hit would prove otherwise that people don't really care about framerates, pcs, etc, and you agreed with me.

Can you prove people care more about these things or not? If you can't it's just tales from the ass.
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Okay, I admit I might be a bit too optimistic about the entire mass makert caring about performance, but it's obvious that the phone market sells millions more every year to a even bigger market just for having better specs, PC gaming is not a niche thing anymore, PS and Xbox are focused on perfomance more than ever, etc. that's only my impression.

Apopheniac said:
While Nintendo's home console business has been abandoned, their handhelds have historically been consistently robust, which is part of why they've reoriented their development around the Switch. There is no indication that the handheld market is in decline; if anything, Switch has prompted a renaissance of it, and will likely sell double what its predecessor, the 3DS, sold.
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I agree with that, but Switch it's an hybrid console, Wii U's successor (3DS was still receiving great games and new models 3 years after Switch released) , and it seems Nintendo is pleasing mostly portable players with Lite and OLED. However, homeconsole players still have the same experience since day one 6 years ago, which is a bit disappointing.
 
DenkeyKong said:
I've heard from sources that the cover legendaries will be the protagonists mom and dad.

After getting bullied by the current champion, you run home and tell either mom or dad (depending on your version). They will then join your team and beat up the champions Pokémon. Truly wild.
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That's so cool. I've also heard that you can't breed any Pokémon, since Pokémon Mom only has mommy Pokémon and Pokémon Dad only has daddies. You need to trade to breed.
 
stodesign12 said:
I agree with that, but Switch it's an hybrid console, Wii U's successor (3DS was still receiving great games and new models 3 years after Switch released) , and it seems Nintendo is pleasing mostly portable players with Lite and OLED. However, homeconsole players still have the same experience since day one 6 years ago, which is a bit disappointing.
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Nintendo is pleasing portable players because they are making portables. There is nothing to indicate that the Switch is meaningfully considered a successor to the Wii U any more than it is to the 3DS; the fact that it is a handheld system, powered by a battery to be usable without a television, would suggest it has more in common with the latter system than the former. The 3DS received games after the release of the Switch because the product line was still healthy, as Nintendo's handheld systems have consistently been, which is no different from how previous iterations of home consoles, such as PS4 and XBO, continued to see new releases even after their successors have released.

Home console players can enjoy new high performance machines from Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo stopped making home consoles after the Wii U because they did not want to compete in that market, as it was far more volatile than their relatively stable handheld market.
 
TreIII said:
The "diorama" style was good for the Link's Awakening remake, and perhaps fitting, giving the theming of that game and trying to mimic the GB sprite's overall vibe. But I dunno if I want to see it again for the next game, whether it's another remake or not. I, for one, would be rooting for something new. Personally, I don't think I could take another segue from crisp, topline TOEI animation to diorama again. It was such a TEASE.

But speaking of re-releases...I wonder if they could bring back 4 Swords Adventure in some way. Being released on the Gamecube and requiring a specific setup requiring a peripheral and each player having their own GBA didn't do it any favors. But in a modern-day era, where local wireless and online play is a thing?
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Switch is perfect for Four Swords Adventures. I'd welcome a re-release or re-imagining.
 
I was so tired of nx speculation by the time the console was announced in october 2016. By that point there was almost 2 straight years of it. Im starting to feel the same way about the switch successor now
 
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Two thoughts looking over the recent pages ... I wish people would stop conflating hardware issues with software issues. I honestly struggle to think of software published by Nintendo that has had bad performance metrics especially as of late. Sure, something like Bayonetta 3 dropping some frames probably is a very real example of the Switch hitting its cap, but actual problematic performance like Scarlet and Violet has nothing to do with the Switch and everything to do with the game itself.

I also wish people would stop using price cuts in such a mythical way. We've been having these kind of conversations since 2019 when people were hoping Nintendo would cut the price of the Switch so it could sell a gazillion more consoles, despite stock issues persisting. Price cuts are not some mythical strategy that instantly sells more consoles. Switchs are already flying off the shelves at the standard price and, while there's probably enough stock to warrant a price cut selling a few more units, the Switchs saturation point is so high at this point I can't imagine there's that many people who are waiting on the price. If it gets a price cut this year, it will definitely sell more units than if it hadn't, but that will still be based on stock and considering sales of the Switch this year will probably be at a baseline of ~17M (about a 20% decrease from last year), selling a few million more because of a price cut isn't going to magically make Switch hit PS2 territory. It's the consistent sales and the interest in the platform that is already there that will do that.
 
AngryAlchemist said:
Two thoughts looking over the recent pages ... I wish people would stop conflating hardware issues with software issues. I honestly struggle to think of software published by Nintendo that has had bad performance metrics especially as of late. Sure, something like Bayonetta 3 dropping some frames probably is a very real example of the Switch hitting its cap, but actual problematic performance like Scarlet and Violet has nothing to do with the Switch and everything to do with the game itself.
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Play Salmon Run.
 
Raccoon said:
Play Salmon Run.
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I played it last night on handheld mode. It ran fine. I've played it docked. It runs fine.

Splatoon 3 does have performance problems, but it with loading strains, that only affect loading into the lobby (and even then I think it's only for multiplayer?)
 
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AngryAlchemist said:
Two thoughts looking over the recent pages ... I wish people would stop conflating hardware issues with software issues. I honestly struggle to think of software published by Nintendo that has had bad performance metrics especially as of late. Sure, something like Bayonetta 3 dropping some frames probably is a very real example of the Switch hitting its cap, but actual problematic performance like Scarlet and Violet has nothing to do with the Switch and everything to do with the game itself.

I also wish people would stop using price cuts in such a mythical way. We've been having these kind of conversations since 2019 when people were hoping Nintendo would cut the price of the Switch so it could sell a gazillion more consoles, despite stock issues persisting. Price cuts are not some mythical strategy that instantly sells more consoles. Switchs are already flying off the shelves at the standard price and, while there's probably enough stock to warrant a price cut selling a few more units, the Switchs saturation point is so high at this point I can't imagine there's that many people who are waiting on the price. If it gets a price cut this year, it will definitely sell more units than if it hadn't, but that will still be based on stock and considering sales of the Switch this year will probably be at a baseline of ~17M (about a 20% decrease from last year), selling a few million more because of a price cut isn't going to magically make Switch hit PS2 territory. It's the consistent sales and the interest in the platform that is already there that will do that.
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The framerate tanks pretty bad when bowser starts stomping around in bowsers fury
 
Goddamn, I can't wait for Zelda.

Switch Pro? Never existed. New Switch? Take it or leave it. Mario Movie? Intriguing, but not what I'm really here for.

But Zelda. That's the real meat and potatoes. I think it's why I haven't fallen victim to the recent doom and gloom around here. My hype for Zelda could single-handedly power a small city, I think.
 
Beanstar40 said:
The framerate tanks pretty bad when bowser starts stomping around in bowsers fury
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I don't think this is an example of what I'm talking about. Not to defend bad framerate, because I don't like it. But a very occassional frame drop that only happens at specific moments that doesn't affect gameplay, is not "bad performance metrics", which is what I was talking about.
 
D36 said:
Is this thread still doomposting?
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I dont think thats fair. To prevent things from becoming an echo chamber I think all opinions should be welcome, optimistic and pessimistic.

Haha i think its fair to say the uncertainty of a direct has made us all abit stir crazy
 
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GhostBolt said:
I hope 2023 early direct starts off with a Bravely Default 3DS collection remaster!
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I mean, there's already one Asano game coming next month. After that they need to talk about that Dragon Quest 3 remake. I think BD re-releases can wait and that'll be best for them. They need to be remade, not remastered, to the BD2 level of graphics.
 
9-Volt said:
I mean, there's already one Asano game coming next month. After that they need to talk about that Dragon Quest 3 remake. I think BD re-releases can wait and that'll be best for them. They need to be remade, not remastered, to the BD2 level of graphics.
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I agree and i love Asano.
 
The Captain said:
With Zelda TotK releasing this year, what Zelda remake seems more likely to ship out next year? WW+TP HD? or an Oracles remake in the Link’s Awakening Style?
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With the release of TotK this year, and the DLC that will follow, next year seems a bit early to consider 3D ports. WW+TP has already been released in HD on the Wii U. Skyward Sword HD was released on Switch. I think a "WW+TP+SS 4K/60fps" trilogy taking advantage of DLSS could make these remasters even more valuable on the next hardware. So if I had to guess, I'd say we'll actually get a 2D Zelda before that.

MisterSpo said:
I'd love new 'portable'/'2D' Zelda more than anything, but the safer bet these days - sadly - is another re-release. I'd take Oracles remakes over re-releases for WW/TP, but I'd take new 2D Zelda over anything old.

New 2D Zelda with either a new visual style or Link's Awakening style visuals please.
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I unfortunately agree with you, an Oracles HD is the most likely. I really have nothing against these games, and for a lot of people it would be a real discovery, but I'm desperate for a real new 2D Zelda and especially I can't stand the idea that Nintendo decides to stop making new ones.

Anyway, considering the long time lapse between two 3D Zelda entries, there's room for everything: 2D remakes, 3D remakes, a brand new 2D episode, a Hyrule Warrors. Hell, they'd even have time to sell me an Ocarina/Majora 4k.

The Captain said:
Speaking of 2D I’d take another 2D Metroid from Mercury Steam right about now. Even if its just a souped up re-release of Samus Returns. I wouldn’t mind a remake of Zero Mission either, never got to play it.
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I understand those who say that Samus Returns was the draft of Dread, they are not wrong, but I too would like a remaster. The game came out way too late on 3DS, and it's awesome. I wonder how much Mercury Steam can handle it without it interfering with the development of a Metroid 6. But it's like with Zelda: games take so long to develop that Metroid remasters, both 2D and Prime, are something I can imagine in the future to keep us waiting.
 
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Beanstar40 said:
I dont think thats fair. To prevent things from becoming an echo chamber I think all opinions should be welcome, optimistic and pessimistic.

Haha i think its fair to say the uncertainty of a direct has made us all abit stir crazy
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True, but I feel like it's become too reactionary after that Bloomberg article and Nate's podcast.
 
D36 said:
True, but I feel like it's become too reactionary after that Bloomberg article and Nate's podcast.
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Yeah this place is not fun right now lmao. People are literally digging into their preconceived beliefs, especially in the hardware thread, and being weird. I have no clue why it's(hardware thread) still allowed to be open but whatever. I genuinely think the mod team should reconsider leaving it open for the time being. Then again they may think it will keep the hardware talk there, which definitely doesn't happen haha.
 
D36 said:
Is this thread still doomposting?
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Hocot8 said:
Yeah this place is not fun right now lmao. People are literally digging into their preconceived beliefs, especially in the hardware thread, and being weird. I have no clue why it's(hardware thread) still allowed to be open but whatever. I genuinely think the mod team should reconsider leaving it open for the time being. Then again they may think it will keep the hardware talk there, which definitely doesn't happen haha.
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Being hyper negative just because of a podcast and speculation seems excessive to me. Asking for the closure of a thread because people express pessimistic opinions there seems to me just as excessive.
 
boodream said:
Being hyper negative just because of a podcast and speculation seems excessive to me. Asking for the closure of a thread because people express pessimistic opinions there seems to me just as excessive.
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Yep, i feel like thats a slippery slope to “only positive nintendo opinions are tolerated here”
 
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